I dont remember what the statement was but wasnt it like "in a few years he turned hundreds of planets into worlds of death..." if so then yeah that's also MFTL+ speed. I'm just showing that all of these statement narratively do not make sense with their current Hypersonic speed. The narrative itself goes against such a rating and if anything this makes it seem like their flight speeds might be higher than their combat speeds
Would like to see this fully translated, but even then, I think it would just be AP and range.just as a few examples:
here is Piccolo stating that Cell is a danger to every celestial body in the universe
Also primarily AP
I could see this for travel speed, but there are other ways to interpret this.
Also AP
This has to do with a crt of @Damage3245 i remember, although it doesn't make much sense for the characters to only have that speed, since they can reach higher speeds in flight.
with his current AP/range? not even close. and he is simply a nonissue to any celestial body outside the galaxy with his current rating
universal Cell? if not then how is he "destroying the universe" while being 4-C?
this is travel/flight speed. I dont see any other interpretation tbh
They were rejected as arguments for AP, but they're far more suitable for travel speed
yeah I read that CRT. Damage ignored many statements that point towards MFTL+ travel speed. It virtually makes 0 sense for these characters to even be a relevant threat to a neighboring galaxy let alone the entire universe/every celestial body if they're 4-C/4-B and MHS+ speed and only one of them having a possibly Type 1 Immortality at best. either their AP is completely wrong or their speed is heavily downplayed it is one or the other
I'm not really familiar with the current tiers for Manga DB characters. My point was mainly that I can very easily see how it can be interpreted as AP or range. Stuff like "is a threat to", "can destroy", or "can put x in danger" typically are used to show AP and not speed (from my experience)
I think travel speed is the most reasonable. I also think that arguments like exaggeration, or that it was to show his resolve, are also interpretations that aren't baseless
Manga Cell is a solar system buster, no way his AP allows him to that
not this cell. This is imperfect cell he doesnt scale above 4-C currently, making it all the more impossible
I mean, Cell could just do it overtime, no time frame is given to us
No he doesn’t. Despite reportedly inheriting 17’s Infinite Generator in the Daizenshuu, he did not gain actually gain Infinite Energy/Stamina. The Senzu Bean moment literally disproves this.
16 was clearly saying this in reference of him achieving his perfect form given the context of him saying that to 17 as cell is trying to absorb him
that would be an extreme stretch to say the least.
i don't see how that changes anything and 16 wouldn't know how powerful Perfect Cell would be anyway
your assertion is that as well, since you are using for speed, aka he would take his time to travel all the way across the universe to destroy, which can only be found for speed with a time frame, which we don't have, making it not really useful for calcing speed
Perfect Cell, as shown in the ending of the saga, had all the capabilities to grow to a Solar System level of destruction, which would make destroying the universe overtime not really hard to do
we don't need to calc anything, I'm just showing everyone here why even narratively the fact that Cell is implied to be an imminent threat to every celestial body means not only is his current speed rating bunk but anything less than MFTL+ is just wrong. As for the calc part it really doesnt need to be calced since flight speed is useless for combat anyway and many characters on here often get a blanket "MFTL+" when a statement is too vague to calc
no you're wrong. even with 4-B AP, going around with MHS+ speed and solar system level range, destroying the universe is an almost impossible task regardless of how long he lives (which isn't long at all since unlike the cyborgs, Cell isnt stated to never age). And why is Perfect Cell relevant here anyway? Absoring 17 wont make him perfect or solar system level and its debatable if he's even referring to post-17 absorption Cell or the current one in front of him. Regardless, the statement makes 0 sense with his current ratings and further statements in the Buu saga prove that it isn't inconsistent
Nobody, not even CELL HIMSELF, knew that he could have grown into a Solar System buster from the immense Zenkai Boosts granted by his regeneration (or that his regeneration covered that amount of damage, as Zenkai’s come in proportion to damage TAKEN.) So 16’s statement physically cannot apply to Super Perfect Cell. Even making it apply to Perfect is a stretch, because Super Vegeta was a world away/incomprehensible in power to him.
"Imminent"? outside of the "Perfect Cell point" i put bellow........where are you seeing "Imminent" from that? it is just said "he wants to destroy the universe" no time frame given to say "Imminent"
Considering that DB's flight is accepted as being less than their combat speed, whatever flight speed he has would directly scale to his combat speed
the galaxy only has 3,000ish solar systems, he only needs a couple tillion of blasts to destroy a large portion, or even all the universe, which is very possible to do given the AP he would have
we don't know that, to say that it isn't long is not really supported at all
it is very clear he is talking about post absorption, complete cell, since stopping him from absorbing both 17 and 18 is what he wants to do in the context where he is saying the statement
the statements in the Buu saga more or less follow the same i have been saying, specially since Buu we know lives a ridiculous long lifespan
he had the capability to go that far, it shows that 16's fears were true
no you can't, doing place holder ratings is not a good practice, we archive a characters statistics, to not show them because "it isn't important for combat"
no he hasn't
While this is true, 16’s fears WERE verified, the information 16 was working on objectively was not “he could blow up solar systems.” It was vastly more likely he was referring to the information projected by the Supercomputer (which is already out of date/wrong because it didn’t account for the changes in the Z-Fighters PL relative to the 3 years training for 19 and 20, and definitely could not adequately cover the present Cell, who had engorged himself on hundreds of thousands of humans specifically because his power output, {which is literally decided by the Supercomputer that made him}, was lower than 17’s and thus literally could not quantify Cell’s strength trajectory. Even assuming 16 was calculating that trajectory in the present moment with his Supercomputer Brain, this same brain still wouldn’t be operating on the understanding a “Super Perfect Cell” could even exist.
Mmm...maybe.
The Infinite Energy Reactors are mechanical, not biological, hence why Marron didn't inherit unlimited stamina. Eternal youth is, seeing as how Piccolo inherited it from being King Piccolo's genetic duplicate.
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Twice in the same saga, referring to the same character and that these statements come from two sources that do not exaggerate?Or it's an exaggeration
I'm not talking about infite uni, inf galaxy as I remember is directly stated in daizhenshuu
yeah, Cell's growth shows that he could grow to such heights that even Gero's supercomputer couldn't proccess
large star level is not enough to destroy the entire universe tho, going that route you should upgrade Cell to solar system level, neutron stars that that high to destroy iirc
That's literally the same infinite galaxy means an infinite universe
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.....if the universe is not accepted as infinite, then the galaxy(which is part of the universe) also isn't
