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Thanks, looks a little different that what the reddit poster used
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Thanks, looks a little different that what the reddit poster used
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we know that souls that enter the Otherworld are cleansed before being reincarnated into another being back into the mortal realm, Piccolo even states that this is what would happen to Vegeta. this is basically Type 4 Immortality only not applicable to combat. Bleach actually has non-CA type 4 immortality for many people because of this
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Technically this should still be type 4 since they return with a new "body" and can continue to exist and even come back to the mortal realm for a day. if a character is fighting Goku in the Otherworld and manages to kill him Goku can basically "come back" almost instantly and continue fighting
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Oh this is what you mean
Yea everyone gets reincarnated except those who are allowed to keep their bodies and memories and those sent to hell I believe (until they get their memories removed and their soul am purified)
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Hmm seems alright.
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Ig the scans that can be used would be gohan coming back for a day, goku before the majin vegeta?
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Actually, if Goku is killed in otherworld while already dead, he gets EE'd iirc
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It's because the notebook has several parts being shown during the anime, so it's not possible to know exactly what.
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You don't have Xenoverse 1?
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Unfortunately no, only if i download it on the PS3, why the question?
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I need to make some achievements online.
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Whoever helps me with this, I'll give them a big kiss on the cheek.
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I understand
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no that's an anime-only line from the buu fight and it contradicts the anime as well
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Hmm??!?
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The hypersonic flight speed of DBZ Manga doesnt sit right with me. It has more than enough evidence from Cell saga onwards for MFTL+ flight speed with several statements. is anybody gonna do a thread for it at some point?
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No lol
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It's in the manga as well
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No as in, no one is doing the thread or there is no evidence of mtfl?
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just as a few examples:
here is Piccolo stating that Cell is a danger to every celestial body in the universe
here is Android 16, a literal robot stating that Cell would destroy the universe (might wanna check the raws though)
There's this statement from Buuhan that he will chase Goku down to the ends of the universe if he has to although IIRC in the raws he says "to another planet, or wherever" which kinda implies the same thing anyway, and this Buuhan knows Goku can teleport away really far while Buuhan obviously cant (and he knows Goku isnt immortal so he cant waste more than 80 years looking for Goku since he'd be dead by then)
And then of course the countless statements of Buu being able to destroy the universe, being an imminent threat to all planets with life on them, etc
This is more than enough evidence for MFTL+ travel speed
here is Piccolo stating that Cell is a danger to every celestial body in the universe
here is Android 16, a literal robot stating that Cell would destroy the universe (might wanna check the raws though)
There's this statement from Buuhan that he will chase Goku down to the ends of the universe if he has to although IIRC in the raws he says "to another planet, or wherever" which kinda implies the same thing anyway, and this Buuhan knows Goku can teleport away really far while Buuhan obviously cant (and he knows Goku isnt immortal so he cant waste more than 80 years looking for Goku since he'd be dead by then)
And then of course the countless statements of Buu being able to destroy the universe, being an imminent threat to all planets with life on them, etc
This is more than enough evidence for MFTL+ travel speed
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No, as in, no one I know is working on that. I am curious about the evidence, however. I haven't read the DB manga since middle school.
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I posted some of the evidence above
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You can use Kid Buu's feat of destroying hundreds of planets in years to give characters MFTL+just as a few examples:
here is Piccolo stating that Cell is a danger to every celestial body in the universe
here is Android 16, a literal robot stating that Cell would destroy the universe (might wanna check the raws though)
There's this statement from Buuhan that he will chase Goku down to the ends of the universe if he has to although IIRC in the raws he says "to another planet, or wherever" which kinda implies the same thing anyway, and this Buuhan knows Goku can teleport away really far while Buuhan obviously cant
And then of course the countless statements of Buu being able to destroy the universe, being an imminent threat to all planets with life on them, etc
This is more than enough evidence for MFTL+ travel speed
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I dont remember what the statement was but wasnt it like "in a few years he turned hundreds of planets into worlds of death..." if so then yeah that's also MFTL+ speed. I'm just showing that all of these statement narratively do not make sense with their current Hypersonic speed. The narrative itself goes against such a rating and if anything this makes it seem like their flight speeds might be higher than their combat speeds
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Would like to see this fully translated, but even then, I think it would just be AP and range.just as a few examples:
here is Piccolo stating that Cell is a danger to every celestial body in the universe
Also primarily AP
I could see this for travel speed, but there are other ways to interpret this.
Also AP
I feel like the evidence is kinda meh, but there is some noteworthy stuff ig. If you make the crt I wish you luck.
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This has to do with a crt of @Damage3245 i remember, although it doesn't make much sense for the characters to only have that speed, since they can reach higher speeds in flight.
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with his current AP/range? not even close. and he is simply a nonissue to any celestial body outside the galaxy with his current rating
universal Cell? if not then how is he "destroying the universe" while being 4-C?
this is travel/flight speed. I dont see any other interpretation tbh
They were rejected as arguments for AP, but they're far more suitable for travel speed
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yeah I read that CRT. Damage ignored many statements that point towards MFTL+ travel speed. It virtually makes 0 sense for these characters to even be a relevant threat to a neighboring galaxy let alone the entire universe/every celestial body if they're 4-C/4-B and MHS+ speed and only one of them having a possibly Type 1 Immortality at best. either their AP is completely wrong or their speed is heavily downplayed it is one or the other
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I'm not really familiar with the current tiers for Manga DB characters. My point was mainly that I can very easily see how it can be interpreted as AP or range. Stuff like "is a threat to", "can destroy", or "can put x in danger" typically are used to show AP and not speed (from my experience)
I think travel speed is the most reasonable. I also think that arguments like exaggeration, or that it was to show his resolve, are also interpretations that aren't baseless
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Manga Cell is a solar system buster, no way his AP allows him to that
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not this cell. This is imperfect cell he doesnt scale above 4-C currently, making it all the more impossible
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Cell has an infinite battery, Androids have infinite energy, i wouldn't doubt Cell has the power to destroy the Universe by consuming Android energy.
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I mean, Cell could just do it overtime, no time frame is given to us
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No he doesn’t. Despite reportedly inheriting 17’s Infinite Generator in the Daizenshuu, he did not gain actually gain Infinite Energy/Stamina. The Senzu Bean moment literally disproves this.
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16 was clearly saying this in reference of him achieving his perfect form given the context of him saying that to 17 as cell is trying to absorb him
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that would be an extreme stretch to say the least.
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i don't see how that changes anything and 16 wouldn't know how powerful Perfect Cell would be anyway
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your assertion is that as well, since you are using for speed, aka he would take his time to travel all the way across the universe to destroy, which can only be found for speed with a time frame, which we don't have, making it not really useful for calcing speed
Perfect Cell, as shown in the ending of the saga, had all the capabilities to grow to a Solar System level of destruction, which would make destroying the universe overtime not really hard to do
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Well, there you have it. Evidence that it is, at the very least, a feasible thing to do.
