I read the chapter 42 colorized not too long ago, and yes, the feat was performed by both Goku and Vegeta in their Base states, you can read the colored chapter to confirm if you want, this was after Goku's PUI ran out after fighting a full power Jiren
This crt was a total blast
Bro straight up annihilated him damn XD this is like Beerus Hakaing Zamasu XD
It just seemed out of place, you implied with the other statement that I was wrong in disagreeing with the people who argued against the CRT, hence the confusion. Do you agree or not is what I didn't understand.
Which is irrelevant because the attack isn't a static multiplier, it's compressing ki into a single point which boosts the power, this number can change depending on how much energy is put into it, someone being vastly stronger than this version of Goku having a higher boost when concentrating their ki isn't dumbfounded.
This argument doesn't work because the KHH never had an established multiplier nor is there anything indicating that it cannot grow beyond 2.2x. The technique takes ki, compress/concentrates it into a small point then releases it as an explosive blast. It's not unreasonable to assume that someone at that level has a higher boost from the KHH when using it.
Sure
Was a fun flash back to that Hypertimelines debacle.
Add narrator being non credible to
"KHH increases the user's powerh. Thus I'll assume this one KHH with no shred of evidence, boosts this particular user by several thousand times ...just because...."
I remember, don't get me started.
It would be difficult to deny it, since there are even Toei stating on its website that Goku would bring the entire Universe to nothing
Read the chapter 42 colorized on all possible sites, you will see in all of them that after Goku and Vegeta's combined Gamma Burst Flash and Kamehameha, you can see better how the World of Void's original color, green, becames bluish purple after the combination of attacks from these two and remained permanently with this color until the end of the Tournament of Power.
It's funny because we already kinda do that with Roshi lol
In Roshi's case, he could only do that on his MAX form, and he couldn't do anything else, couldn't fight with it or do.... anything else, he literally just used that fork to fire a KHH and then it gasses out, literally. His case is quite justified, there's nothing to scale it to
I mean, if they did permanently change the color, then you may have a case
Don t strawman me, I never implied that. The manga and the guidebooks support that the multiplier isn't static and can increase. It's method of increasing power literally makes it to where something like Cell is possible.
There is a limit to what you can assume though. Precedence makes multipliers of 2, 3, etc reasonable and very accetable. But a multipler of thousands is different.
This feels more roundabout than just saying Gohan's barely charged Kamehameha = Solar Kamehameha but I guess it works.
Gohan's physicals would be scaled to 1/4th Solar Kamehameha lmao
Honestly not that bad
Visually, it doesn’t appear like the audience is treated transcending goku or anything else, but maybe some dialogue says otherwise, this is pretty important to prove r/f as I recall. Of course I could be wrong
That seems pretty solid then. It's within the multipliers a Kamehameha has demonstrated before if a bit high.
Afaik, it would need him to don´t interact with the "Real world" in anyway and don´t be relative to them in power, things that he explicit doesn´t does during the movie iirc
And what about Gohan considering he didn’t take much time to charge his Kamehameha?
Akira Toriyama's words, manga's statements and Toei's official guidebooks are headcanon
When I say doesn't scale
There was also a time we had characters jump to tier 2 from tier 3 with a 50x multiplier due to feats.
Iirc he downscales from goku or vegito and him holding off buu things doesn't have to make sense all the time it is fiction anything can happen as per writers will
i think the profiles are assuming getting absorbed by Super Buu makes characters stronger somehow. If I’m right about that then imo it’s a kinda dumb reason, but that would mean there’s a reason for it.
nope we have an explanation for it right on his profile its called Accelerated development/Reactive power level and its not even the craziest jump in power. Base goku went from 4-B to 2-C as well in the span of a single fight
Toei is a cluster of inconsistency
Yes but Toei is a mess in terms of power scaling, like everyone knows it, this is just a false equivalence.
It never has, it's just a normal Kamehameha like before, it's normal for people to doubt some people's reasoning and question certain things.
That's my point. We can't expect the manga to give us perfect power scaling all the time too.
what?? Using toei as an example to prove that manga scaling isnt perfect is just bad reasoning. No one said the manga is perfect either but you're using extremely false equivalence here. Compared to what toei does this is absolutely nothing
I never said it was "proof". This isn't an argument. My first comment was just remarking on how funny it was.
