Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[RedReaper616]

Also I find it very reductive to consider anything less than universal praise of SSJ2/3 as “Revisionist History.” Are people not allowed to have dissenting opinions? And are people’s opinions not allowed to change? If all our opinions were the same and/or unchanging, debates would be pointless.

I mean, not really? I agree SSJ3 is ass—But the POINT is that it’s ass. It’s a subversion of the “stronger form = win” trope Toriyama had went through. And while I don’t think you should just lavish SSJ2, I do think it’s revisionist history to assert the form was ever bad and “carried by Gohan.” If that was the case, SSJ sucks and was “carried by Namek Goku,” because every other Alien Ape who supported it makes it look like it’s not worth having.

Frankly, I found some glaring issues in your justifications of those two forms in particular, but I’ve already said I’ll stop debating this topic. And I believe that’s for the best, given how this thread has largely shown itself to be unreceptive to dissenting opinions.

Fair enough. I’m not particularly against insulting SSJ3–Mostly because the point of the form stops mattering after you go past the original end of the Buu Saga. And SSJ2 definitely isn’t a great form in the sense that it’s ever noteworthy visually or just to even have after it’s debut—But to be frank, in the canon, neither is SSJ except for a few exceptions.

 

[CBslayeR]

What's Nappa's AP?

 

[SlendVeny]

What's Nappa's AP?

About a third of Saiyan Saga Vegeta's iirc.

 

[CBslayeR]

About a third of Saiyan Saga Vegeta's iirc.

need the exact value

 

[RinneItachi]

Damn leakers I just wanna wait and see what happens

 

[ProudLearner]

Quick Ability Replacement | Son Goku (DB, Toei, DBGT, and Xeno)

Same as the title. Limited Size Manipulation to Weapon Control via Power Pole. Weapon Control via Power Pole (When Goku commands the Power Pole to extend, it does, and it can extend as far as the Moon) Reference: Manga Continuity: Dragon Ball Chapter 141 Dragon Ball Chapter 17 Anime...

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[CiscoTheSoto]

Where are the English translations for the new chapter coming from? I keep getting spoiled about stuff but I can’t find an English version of the chapter online yet.

 

[DivineAura44]

Where are the English translations for the new chapter coming from? I keep getting spoiled about stuff but I can’t find an English version of the chapter online yet.

ChatGPT

 

[RanHover60]

Does anyone know how much radiation 17 million blutz waves is because it's used as one of the justifications for radiation resistance on the profiles.

 

[Spinoirr]

Cell basically beats a Infinite Zamasu that fused with every timeline in that continuity (Aka a collection of dragon ball timelines) Aka fused with 7 timelines.

So like... how strong is that

 

[Killerdrone123]

Cell basically beats a Infinite Zamasu that fused with every timeline in that continuity (Aka a collection of dragon ball timelines) Aka fused with 7 timelines.

So like... how strong is that

Still low 1c

 

[StekFence]

Does anyone know how much radiation 17 million blutz waves is because it's used as one of the justifications for radiation resistance on the profiles.

Do blutz waves have a confirmed analogue to actual radiation numbers?

 

[Spinoirr]

Still low 1c

How far in 5D?

 

[Killerdrone123]

How far in 5D?

Like 7, 5d constructs far + the multipliers and scaling chain so he would one anyone who only scales to baseline - 6 5d structures

 

[RedReaper616]

Do blutz waves have a confirmed analogue to actual radiation numbers?

Not that I know of. Vegeta rates them in "Zenos." Specifically, at 17 Million Zeno Units Per Second, which when a Saiyan absorbs such through their eyes allows them to turn into an Oozaru.

 

[RinneItachi]

Not that I know of. Vegeta rates them in "Zenos." Specifically, at 17 Million Zeno Units Per Second, which when a Saiyan absorbs such through their eyes allows them to turn into an Oozaru.

Zeno is infinitely powerful so 17 million layers of infinities of radiation per second.

 

[RedReaper616]

Zeno is infinitely powerful so 17 million layers of infinities of radiation per second.

Funnily enough, they aren’t written the same. You have Zen’o, (全王), the King of All, and then you have Zeno, (ゼノ) the measurement of Radiation. Surprisingly, despite how infamously forgetful he is, Toriyama didn’t muck it up and dupe the term/mix the two. It’s just a JP coincidence.

 

[SirAlex09]

Wait since when is it allowed to use power levels for scaling here? I randomly stumbled across a "back scaling" thread

 

[Prime2024]

So are we going to do an update to update Gohan, Piccolo, and Cell, for 6 Universes?

Does Gohan even have a manga profile ?

 

[RedReaper616]

Wait since when is it allowed to use power levels for scaling here? I randomly stumbled across a "back scaling" thread

It isn't for backscaling-Just upscaling.

So you couldn't, say, get the relative strength of a man (standard farmer at 5) by backscaling off of Piccolo's PL of 408's Moon Bust. But you COULD get Z Bardock over Moon Bust Piccolo via upscaling because he has a PL of ~10,000.

 

[Prime2024]

Something is wrong with Beast Gohan design in new chapter :

Vs

His eyes are different and hid hair is shorter...is Gohan like holding back or something ?

 

[Tipper17]

Something is wrong with Beast Gohan design in new chapter :

Vs

His eyes are different and hid hair is shorter...is Gohan like holding back or something ?

No one knows either Toyo made a mistake or Gohan holding back currently given the chapter before we say his beast form have pupils and Dark outline

 

[SirAlex09]

I mean this is Toyotaro and Toriyama we are speaking about. Ofc they forgot/made a mistake.

 

[RedReaper616]

It's interesting that the term "Ki-Storm" has been coined to describe Gohan's energy.

 

[Prime2024]

I mean this is Toyotaro and Toriyama we are speaking about. Ofc they forgot/made a mistake.

It's not a mistake; Beast Gohan was accurately depicted in chapters 99, 100, and 101. Therefore, it doesn't seem logical for Toyotaro to have made such an error.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Does Gohan even have a manga profile ?

I believe so

 

[CBslayeR]

need the exact value

bump

 

[Spinoirr]

Need help making Cell Prime a profile on FCOC, I'll write down it in my sandbox I just need help for intelligents rating and powers and abilities

 

[Prime2024]

I believe so

Just checked and he doesn't have one

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Just checked and he doesn't have one

I understand

 

[DivineAura44]

Goku fans realizing Gohan was holding back the whole time:

 

[RedReaper616]

It's not a mistake; Beast Gohan was accurately depicted in chapters 99, 100, and 101. Therefore, it doesn't seem logical for Toyotaro to have made such an error.

Toyotaru was the same guy who forgot Broly’s scar while his face was a prominent part of his panel, so it’s not out of the question for Toyo to mess up something as simple as Gohan’s pupils. Especially since, most of the time, there ARE no pupils in Dragon Ball—People just have mono-color eyes.

 

[DivineAura44]

Toyotaru was the same guy who forgot Broly’s scar while his face was a prominent part of his panel, so it’s not out of the question for Toyo to mess up something as simple as Gohan’s pupils. Especially since, most of the time, there ARE no pupils in Dragon Ball—People just have mono-color eyes.

To be fair tho, you can say he forgot about the scar. He didn't forget about the hair tho, he drew it wrong completely.

 

[noninho]

Ayo, I'm new to DB scaling in the wiki and stumbled to a question:

From what I understood, Toei is 2-C via scaling to 3 universes in (from what I understood) buu Saga and the thread I've read about it spoke about Super not scaling to that too, in the moment

That's still true? How many universes is DBS manga scaling to?

 

[RanHover60]

Ayo, I'm new to DB scaling in the wiki and stumbled to a question:

From what I understood, Toei is 2-C via scaling to 3 universes in (from what I understood) buu Saga and the thread I've read about it spoke about Super not scaling to that too, in the moment

That's still true? How many universes is DBS manga scaling to?

Uh I think they also scale to 3 because of the Goku-Beerus clash in Battle of Gods.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Ayo, I'm new to DB scaling in the wiki and stumbled to a question:

From what I understood, Toei is 2-C via scaling to 3 universes in (from what I understood) buu Saga and the thread I've read about it spoke about Super not scaling to that too, in the moment

That's still true? How many universes is DBS manga scaling to?

DBS (Anime and Manga) scales to 3 universes and MUI Goku and Jiren (Anime) scales to 6 universes

DBS doesn´t scales to Toei because it ins´t canon to the Super continuity

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Uh I think they also scale to 3 because of the Goku-Beerus clash in Battle of Gods.

Yes

 

[noninho]

And GT also does scale to 3 universes, right?

 

[RanHover60]

And GT also does scale to 3 universes, right?

Yep because I think we consider it a continuation of Toeiverse and Omega Shenron was going to destroy the universe

 

[noninho]

that is very good to know