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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

The_Yellow_Topaz said:
For the love of God.
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This was also stated by Goku around chapter 490, but my internet is sucking some ass so I can't get it
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I’ll take the L on that one. I just don’t exactly think it needed to be a thing

Would it have killed you to be more civil about it though? Like, it’s Dragon Ball, it’s not that serious
 
Sparkive said:
Again, the only transformations that deserve bullying are the Blue Evolution, the SSJ Rage and the Beast (although slightly less, because at least it has an explanation... bad, but it does) all the others have something that saves them or makes them worse. makes good directly
If I had to choose which one is worse... evolution manga (it's a damn tantrum, for the love of Zeno)
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You'll never convince me Blue or 3 was a good form idgaf.
 
RedReaper said:
Yeah, I don't know what's going on with the Revisionist History. SSJ2 is perfectly fine. As are SSJ Grade 2 and Grade 3, as they served as foreshadowing/precursors to the SSJ2 form Gohan takes, especially in providing the means of which Gohan's character arc is completed. It should also be noted this theme that Gohan undergoes is maintained in the Buu Saga for other SSJ2 users. Vegeta doesn't go SSJ2 (even though we know he has it) until after he self-destructs and completes his arc, and Goku doesn't go SSJ2 until he fights Vegeta and challenges him on his fall into Darkness (unless you want to count the Yakon "blip" as him actually transforming all the way for a fight), and to convince him to snap out of it.

SSJ3 is useless, yeah, but that was the narrative point. It's supposed to break the trend of "new threat, new form.," that had started to become a factor after Saiyan Saga (Kaioken {Saiyan Saga}, Super Saiyan {Frieza Saga}, Super Saiyan 2 {Cell Saga}), and establish that this Saga won't go the same as it previously did.

SSJ4, and Super Full Power Super Saiyan 4 (for reasons I'll soon go over) are peak.

SSG is also good, Narratively speaking, Goku is ascending not towards the Gods not because of his “unga bunga strength” or “big mad,” but because of his GOOD DEEDS. This theme is very prominent in Dragon Ball and is acknowledged twice—Once at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and yet again at the Tournament of Power. The opportunity to turn into a Super Saiyan God came not from strength, but from Goku’s ability to see kindness in others and grant them the ability to improve themselves as people, which they then do good on. It’s those people who then give him the power of a God.

SSB is ass.

SSJ Rage is ass.

SSBE is...eh. You could make the argument that Vegeta gets Super Saiyan Blue Evolution from his tapping into the good will (promises/dreams) of Saiyans from another Universe. His Student, who he lost. It’s made explicitly clear that, narratively, this form is the reward for not only having changed, but seeking to grant that change to other Saiyans. You can even add in his insecurity over the Saiyan race into this, as Zamasu steals the embodiment of the changes Saiyan (Goku) and perverts it—Hell, he becomes a better “Saiyan” than Goku or Vegeta were with it, and you can reason this shook his beliefs. Which in itself can be supported with the Bulma scene—Vegeta realizing that not even his wife views him as a solution to the problems, and instead relies on Goku. But at the same time I'm not very enamored with it, and it feels like it was just shoved in to give Vegeta a SSBKK equivalent.

SSBKK is Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken by tapping into the power given to him by a friend—Which he specifically met from his own good will, as that is what got him the opportunity to train in Otherworld with his physical body. It's basically the furthering of the themes of SSG. Very meh outside of hype factor.

UIO-MUI is peak.
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Also I find it very reductive to consider anything less than universal praise of SSJ2/3 as “Revisionist History.” Are people not allowed to have dissenting opinions? And are people’s opinions not allowed to change? If all our opinions were the same and/or unchanging, debates would be pointless.

Frankly, I found some glaring issues in your justifications of those two forms in particular, but I’ve already said I’ll stop debating this topic. And I believe that’s for the best, given how this thread has largely shown itself to be unreceptive to dissenting opinions.

Edit: Shitty Internet made this post twice.
 
CloverDragon03 said:
Also I find it very reductive to consider anything less than universal praise of SSJ2/3 as “Revisionist History.” Are people not allowed to have dissenting opinions? And are people’s opinions not allowed to change? If all our opinions were the same and/or unchanging, debates would be pointless.
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I mean, not really? I agree SSJ3 is ass—But the POINT is that it’s ass. It’s a subversion of the “stronger form = win” trope Toriyama had went through. And while I don’t think you should just lavish SSJ2, I do think it’s revisionist history to assert the form was ever bad and “carried by Gohan.” If that was the case, SSJ sucks and was “carried by Namek Goku,” because every other Alien Ape who supported it makes it look like it’s not worth having.
CloverDragon03 said:
Frankly, I found some glaring issues in your justifications of those two forms in particular, but I’ve already said I’ll stop debating this topic. And I believe that’s for the best, given how this thread has largely shown itself to be unreceptive to dissenting opinions.
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Fair enough. I’m not particularly against insulting SSJ3–Mostly because the point of the form stops mattering after you go past the original end of the Buu Saga. And SSJ2 definitely isn’t a great form in the sense that it’s ever noteworthy visually or just to even have after it’s debut—But to be frank, in the canon, neither is SSJ except for a few exceptions.
 
Where are the English translations for the new chapter coming from? I keep getting spoiled about stuff but I can’t find an English version of the chapter online yet.
 
Does anyone know how much radiation 17 million blutz waves is because it's used as one of the justifications for radiation resistance on the profiles.
 


Cell basically beats a Infinite Zamasu that fused with every timeline in that continuity (Aka a collection of dragon ball timelines) Aka fused with 7 timelines.

So like... how strong is that
 
StekFence said:
Do blutz waves have a confirmed analogue to actual radiation numbers?
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Not that I know of. Vegeta rates them in "Zenos." Specifically, at 17 Million Zeno Units Per Second, which when a Saiyan absorbs such through their eyes allows them to turn into an Oozaru.
 
RedReaper said:
Not that I know of. Vegeta rates them in "Zenos." Specifically, at 17 Million Zeno Units Per Second, which when a Saiyan absorbs such through their eyes allows them to turn into an Oozaru.
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Zeno is infinitely powerful so 17 million layers of infinities of radiation per second.
 
RinneItachi said:
Zeno is infinitely powerful so 17 million layers of infinities of radiation per second.
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Funnily enough, they aren’t written the same. You have Zen’o, (全王), the King of All, and then you have Zeno, (ゼノ) the measurement of Radiation. Surprisingly, despite how infamously forgetful he is, Toriyama didn’t muck it up and dupe the term/mix the two. It’s just a JP coincidence.
 
Wait since when is it allowed to use power levels for scaling here? I randomly stumbled across a "back scaling" thread
 
SirAlex09 said:
Wait since when is it allowed to use power levels for scaling here? I randomly stumbled across a "back scaling" thread
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It isn't for backscaling-Just upscaling.

So you couldn't, say, get the relative strength of a man (standard farmer at 5) by backscaling off of Piccolo's PL of 408's Moon Bust. But you COULD get Z Bardock over Moon Bust Piccolo via upscaling because he has a PL of ~10,000.
 
Something is wrong with Beast Gohan design in new chapter :

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His eyes are different and hid hair is shorter...is Gohan like holding back or something ?
 
Prime2024 said:
Something is wrong with Beast Gohan design in new chapter :

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His eyes are different and hid hair is shorter...is Gohan like holding back or something ?
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No one knows either Toyo made a mistake or Gohan holding back currently given the chapter before we say his beast form have pupils and Dark outline
 
SirAlex09 said:
I mean this is Toyotaro and Toriyama we are speaking about. Ofc they forgot/made a mistake.
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It's not a mistake; Beast Gohan was accurately depicted in chapters 99, 100, and 101. Therefore, it doesn't seem logical for Toyotaro to have made such an error.
 


Need help making Cell Prime a profile on FCOC, I'll write down it in my sandbox I just need help for intelligents rating and powers and abilities
 
Prime2024 said:
It's not a mistake; Beast Gohan was accurately depicted in chapters 99, 100, and 101. Therefore, it doesn't seem logical for Toyotaro to have made such an error.
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Toyotaru was the same guy who forgot Broly’s scar while his face was a prominent part of his panel, so it’s not out of the question for Toyo to mess up something as simple as Gohan’s pupils. Especially since, most of the time, there ARE no pupils in Dragon Ball—People just have mono-color eyes.
 
RedReaper said:
Toyotaru was the same guy who forgot Broly’s scar while his face was a prominent part of his panel, so it’s not out of the question for Toyo to mess up something as simple as Gohan’s pupils. Especially since, most of the time, there ARE no pupils in Dragon Ball—People just have mono-color eyes.
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To be fair tho, you can say he forgot about the scar. He didn't forget about the hair tho, he drew it wrong completely.
 
Ayo, I'm new to DB scaling in the wiki and stumbled to a question:

From what I understood, Toei is 2-C via scaling to 3 universes in (from what I understood) buu Saga and the thread I've read about it spoke about Super not scaling to that too, in the moment

That's still true? How many universes is DBS manga scaling to?
 
noninho said:
Ayo, I'm new to DB scaling in the wiki and stumbled to a question:

From what I understood, Toei is 2-C via scaling to 3 universes in (from what I understood) buu Saga and the thread I've read about it spoke about Super not scaling to that too, in the moment

That's still true? How many universes is DBS manga scaling to?
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Uh I think they also scale to 3 because of the Goku-Beerus clash in Battle of Gods.
 
noninho said:
Ayo, I'm new to DB scaling in the wiki and stumbled to a question:

From what I understood, Toei is 2-C via scaling to 3 universes in (from what I understood) buu Saga and the thread I've read about it spoke about Super not scaling to that too, in the moment

That's still true? How many universes is DBS manga scaling to?
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DBS (Anime and Manga) scales to 3 universes and MUI Goku and Jiren (Anime) scales to 6 universes

DBS doesn´t scales to Toei because it ins´t canon to the Super continuity
 
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