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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Oh yeah I think people were arguing that it's just deconstruction in the manga, not EE, but Beerus' explanation officially confirm that it is genuine existence erasure.
"When we gods use our Destruction move, the target is completely erased from existence."
"We turn something into nothing."
"When we gods use our Destruction move, the target is completely erased from existence."
"We turn something into nothing."
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Also yeah confirmed that Vegeta's learning Hakai next, which is pretty cool.
Man, I can't believe that VEGETA is going to become one of the more haxed Dragon Ball characters. He already has Spirit Fission's abilities, and now he's getting existence erasure. Soon he'll get Time-Skip.
Man, I can't believe that VEGETA is going to become one of the more haxed Dragon Ball characters. He already has Spirit Fission's abilities, and now he's getting existence erasure. Soon he'll get Time-Skip.
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Looks like Granolah has telekinesis, and it looks like he might have used Hakai, but maybe we should wait on that. I also don't think he showed flight before, so that's a thing he has now. And also extrasensory perception, to the extent of sensing nearby planets.
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Ok yeah read through more of the chapter, he has Hakai for sure. Whis noticed what happened to him and said it could be troublesome, or something along those lines. I think the deal he made allowed him to become some sort of godly being, but he'll probably face some sort of consequence once he achieves his revenge.
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Ah never mind again. The deal just shortened his life span. But seeing as his race can live for centuries normally, base Granolah could probably be given longevity. Lastly, it looks like Granolah might actually fight Vegeta and Goku soon. Although I imagine they'll probably fight him one on one and take turns. They shouldn't have too much qualms working together nowadays, but I'm sure they'd still prefer not to unless necessary.
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Actualy, the manga said that there are multiple sage of Hakai, you have the 'deconstruction' version which is weaker / incomplet and the 'EE' version.
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Goku's variant is clearly just Matter manipulation, yes (supported by his usage of it in the Moro arc as well), but whether or not it can affect souls like some people say is something I'm not sure about anymore.
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You'd think that since Toyotaro works pretty close to Toriyama and follows the same script as the anime, he'd make it clear that Hakai erases souls but he makes it a little vague. Now since Goku is using a weaker version it should make sense to just be deconstruction though I'd rather just have it be EE all around
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When did it say there are multiple levels of Hakai?
Vietthai96
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To be honest, Manga feat and statement is vague as hell, it is so bad for measurement. And Toyotaro is not the best guy for storytelling, actually in my opinion is the worst
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I would say so
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I don't understand tbh. How on earth is this statement by Beerus vague in any way? It's one of the most straightforward I've ever seen if I'm being honest. Toyotaro has MANY flaws, yes, but this time around I don't really see any issues.
If I misunderstood what you were talking about, then my apologies.
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I think he was saying that since people don't go poof like in the anime, instead becoming purple dust, it was unclear whether, until this statement, it was EE and not just Deconstruction with Soul Kill slapped on.
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Ah okay, that's fair then. My apologies for misunderstanding.
Though in all fairness, until it was stated directly in the anime, most people also thought it was just Matter manipulation with Soul destruction slapped on top. It's one of those things that are kinda hard to represent visually without any statements, so I personally fault both the anime and manga for taking as long as they did to give us straightforward statements.
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So we're talking about feats here? that's not evident enough to put him below moro, this is like saying freeza> beerus because he fought SSB who's far superior than SSG which fought beerus granted beerus was suppressed. Or even Jiren fighting ToP UI therefore he's above beerus, you literally cannot go off a fight unless there's direct scaling.
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nope, there are more proofs that confirm Beerus was way above Frieza, there is none here, again if u want to put him higher idc, I just don't use that way, there is nothing literally nothing in the manga proves that Beerus is above Angel Moro or UI Goku, I don't mind him being stronger than both of them but I just like to wait for more evidence that confirms this point
Edit: Beerus fought Champa and was stated by Vados to be stronger than Champa, Champa was going to destroy Hit who scales to SSBK10 Goku who is way above SSB who fought Frieza
I'm not gonna touch Jiren, TOP UI Goku, Broly with Beerus, but I would say that it's debatable
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To be honest, Beerus seemed rather unfazed by the prospect of fighting Moro, and made destroying him seem like a casual, mundane, affair.
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its not clear evidence IMO, he was going to help Goku, I can't prove that it will be by teamwork and you can't prove that Beerus wanted to solo stomp Moro, also it can mean that Beerus was going to destroy that crystal using Hakai which is also a fair interpretation giving that the context was about Moro’s weakness, so again I don't think its a solid proof tbh
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Sure, but I don't think you have any evidence of them being above Beerus either.
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which is why I said I don't mind if you put Beerus above both of them, I just put him below because he one-shotted Vegeta while holding back, 73 Moro could one-shot Vegeta too, I said Beerus =/> 73 Moro because he massively held back against Vegeta according to Whis, but this is not enough to put him above Goku and Angel Moro, I like to wait for more evidence that confirms Beerus > Goku, you can put Beerus above him and I literally don't mind but IMO waiting for more stuff from the manga is better
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Honestly if Moro was above Beerus would shown some type of fear
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Valiant_Abyss
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God, I hope Vegeta pulls off some cool shit by using FSF and hakaing the spirit energy or something like that.
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well, you are assuming that Beerus = Kid Gohan here which I don't think is the case, Beerus has millions of years of experience on the battlefield, he knew Moro’s weakness, he has Goku on his side. Can Beerus destroy the crystal? yes, he can. I get your point tho but I still don't think its clear evidence to put Beerus directly above them I think waiting for sth new is wiser tbh
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Where you getting Gohan from?
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Depend on if you take Broly being on Beerus's level seriously or not. If you do, they are basicaly the hightest in the tier because they are in the same ballpark as Beerus who is 1/2 2-C which is functionaly infinitely higher than baseline. If you don't, you should search for the last scailing chain, last I checked they were in the thousands of times above baseline.
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From next month, Heroes chapters will be available digitally, so it'll be much easier to get good scans of them.
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Oh man, that'll be good for the future.
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Hopefully it'll be retroactive, though I doubt they would make the bonus chapters available - they didn't for Victory Mission.
ZetaMarishi
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I'm doubting the bonus chapters will be, yeah. But yeah, that's mostly what I'm hoping for. But honestly, even if it's not the case, it'll be nice for later chapters to have some nice and easy to get scans.
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Like officially from Toei and the guys behind SDBH? I think it'll be the first time the manga has been officially distributed outside Japan
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It'll be on the Saikyo Jump website. They almost certainly won't bother translating it though.
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Well at least then we'll get cleaner scans, meaning it'll be much more easy to translate accurately so it isn't that bad
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Thank Christ. In all my years of VS debating, I’ve never hated getting scans from any other verse other than DBH.
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I still find funny that Goku is the strongest in Jumpforce and has an attack that has the combined power of every single jump property (his genkidama at the end of the game).
That's like if Marvel had a game where Iron Man had an armor powered by every single source of energy in Marvel.
That's like if Marvel had a game where Iron Man had an armor powered by every single source of energy in Marvel.
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