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She should downscale off of base DBH characters who are L1-CIs she in Low 1-C or weaker?
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She should downscale off of base DBH characters who are L1-CIs she in Low 1-C or weaker?
Soo... Low 1-C but weaker?She should downscale off of base DBH characters who are L1-C
Yeah, she still probably has infinite 5D so she'd still one shot most other 5D charactersSoo... Low 1-C but weaker?
Zamn, a literal kid solos HSTYeah, she still probably has infinite 5D so she'd still one shot most other 5D characters
HST?Zamn, a literal kid solos HST
Holy Shonen TrinityHST?
Thank God someone finally tidying up both CC Goku and Xeno Goku page. It was such a mess before.
Not even aware these new shit, well, let see if i can do anything.Vegito
Vegito (ベジット, Bejitto?) is the Potara Fusion of Son Goku and Vegeta, who had appeared in two sagas; The Goku black saga and the Majin Buu saga. Originally formed to defeat Majin Buu after he had absorbed Gohan, and later reappearing to fight Fusion Zamasu. While all fusions have immense power...vsbattles.fandom.com
Not gonna lie, the profile really irks me for some reason.
Yes, she should still be Low 1-C. She'd just be one shot by most DBH characters.Is she in Low 1-C or weaker?
I want to helpthat someone is me
Not even aware these new shit, well, let see if i can do anything.
you guys are so terrible at formating profiles
Ah okHoly Shonen Trinity
Couldn't Vegeta separate Luffy from his fruit, and wouldn't the same happen with Naruto and the power of Rikoudou Sennin?
What's your take on this
And I just love how the top comments says that naruto truth seeking orb can erase them when both goku and vegeta have resistance to ee
Also saying ooc for ue vegeta to use hakai
Yes, he can.Couldn't Vegeta separate Luffy and Naruto's power from Rikoudou Sennin's fruit with the forced splitting of the spirit?
What about it needs to be updated?Vegito (DBS Manga)
Vegito (ベジット, Bejitto?) is the Potara Fusion of Son Goku and Vegeta, originally formed to defeat Majin Buu after he had absorbed Gohan, and later reappearing to fight Fusion Zamasu. While all fusions have immense power, Vegito's power is abnormal even by Potara standards, as Vegeta and Goku's...vsbattles.fandom.com
this one needs to be updated
the link to anime beerus, Vegito never was turned into candy in superThe Notable Attacks/Techniques section needs to be re-editted a bit but I don't see anything else here that's not up to date
The thing is that statement in our Wiki is weird af. Yes Hit didn't lose due to speed because Obito outhaxed him. But if we take speed away we also essentially take a win condition away as well cause he would have speedblitzed him before Obito could birth his next thoughtThat the match wouldn´t probably be able to be added if one of the main reasons Hit lost was because speed was equalized
Dude why you bait me like that. I stopped believing after I read Tori bot....man it sounded so niceGUYS, WE JUST GOT SOME HUGE LEAKS.
Next arc, Black Frieza travels to the Demon Realm, which is stated to be a realm transcending all dimensions and concepts, and later destroys it with a Dark Supernova. He then transcends the narrative and kills kills Tori-Bot, before, obviously, Goku unlocks Super Saiyan 4, then combines it with Ultra Instinct and Super Saiyan Blue, creating Azure Saiyan Instinct, a form so powerful that they had to have Antvasima come in and explain that it's canonically Boundless to casual readers.
He can I literally pointed out it out on the post and I got downvotedCouldn't Vegeta separate Luffy from his fruit, and wouldn't the same happen with Naruto and the power of Rikoudou Sennin?
Really, but I think it's because of the manga Dragon Ball Z saga Boo.the link to anime beerus, Vegito never was turned into candy in super
Yeah, that’s true. This is how it’d work in real life too. For example, the strongest man may be able to deadlift 1185 pounds, but if you put 600 pounds on his body he most likely will not be able to move or can barely move.There is a consistent gap in their ability to lift things over their head and weighted clothing.
Every single 'low end" feat they have us with weighted clothing (barring the megatta scene)
Goku/krillin pushing 500 or so ton boulder a shirt distance but training with 40kg,
Goku flipping a 116 ton piccolo while 113kg weights pose a challenge (this is the equivalent of wearing an armor the weight of an egg and flipping a full grown man)
The 40 tons is the same (it's 4000 tons actually, gravity was 100x I believe), weighted clothing
It's a similar thing to their travel and combat speed gap
At best, a note should be stated that their lifting strength in db/DBZ isn't the same when carrying weighted clothing just as there's one talking about travel and combat speed
Especially since their lifting strength is shown to be affected by their ki
He should have abilities from his Z counterpart there's no reason he shouldn't. Also even DBS Manga Goku and Vegeta link to anime Beerus so there's no need to change itthe link to anime beerus, Vegito never was turned into candy in super
Speed equalisation is one of those things that I've started to dislike over time. All it does is punish characters for having high speed while giving the haxed absurd opportunities to win matches they could never win otherwise. Even starting with equalised speed and then allowing a character to use their speed-buffing abilities (e.g Dyspo with Lightspeed Mode or even just Goku using Afterimage) apparently invalidates their win.The thing is that statement in our Wiki is weird af. Yes Hit didn't lose due to speed because Obito outhaxed him. But if we take speed away we also essentially take a win condition away as well cause he would have speedblitzed him before Obito could birth his next thought
Speed only matters on this wiki (for vs threads) if you have several different speeds.Speed equalisation is one of those things that I've started to dislike over time. All it does is punish characters for having high speed while giving the haxed absurd opportunities to win matches they could never win otherwise. Even starting with equalised speed and then allowing a character to use their speed-buffing abilities (e.g Dyspo with Lightspeed Mode or even just Goku using Afterimage) apparently invalidates their win.
I get the idea is to broaden match variety but after a while it just feels silly.
All I see here is factsWell to be honest, Vegeta hard counters both Luffy and Naruto. While they would still have Chakra and Haki, Naruto would lose Kurama, the powers of the other Eight Tailed Beasts, the 6oSP powers, and Sage Mode. Similarly, due to the spiritualistic nature of Devil Fruits, (and the fact it is an external power up given to him), Vegeta can separate it from him and nerf them. They're, by DEFINITION, what Forced Spirit Fission can undo.
Ichigo is immune due to the sole fact that while his power ups work through external means, they're actually 100% from an internal source. They basically use a middle man. Whether that be Rukia, his false Bankai, etc. They come from him but are harnessed through external forces that would make you think he'd be vulnerable. However, once Naruto and Luffy are gone it's Ichigo by himself versus Goku and Vegeta, who have much more combat experience and can get around him with illusions, teleportation, auto dodging, their pseudo-precog, sealing, paralysis, deconstruction, etc.
This is also ignoring that throughout the fight, even without technique and transformation multipliers, (such as Kaioken, or in the case of the Big 3/HST, things like Blut Vene, Boil Release, or Armament Haki), Goku and Vegeta passively grow in power through combat. Like, Vegeta taking a hit boosts his power above them, and with equal stamina he'd swiftly outgrow Ichigo even if they can't nail him with any of their hax options, allowing them to kill them with a good ol' fashioned punch to the schnoz.
That said, before Moro and the Granolah Arcs, I think there's a case to be made that the HST could have won (in a stat equal). They'd have all their hax, which gives them precog (which only would have been countered by their predictions, and raw future vision is better than that), cellular level attacks, turning people into frog statues, corrosion, etc.
Yeah, but in my opinion this misconception comes from the fact Toriyama/Toyotaru/Toei doesn't remember he makes them do more. Like the God Bind, or Intent (Goku V Trunks)/Mind (Goku meeting Krillin on Namek) Reading, Sealing, or being resistant to Pressure Points. (Whether that be in OG DB where he tanks one that should leave him out for a week, or the fact he canonically learned them and should be able to defend, or the fact he can predict them and prevent attacks to them ala Hit, because despite all of that Granolah just can affect them regardless). Just generally speaking, all Toriyama/Toyotaru/Toei DOES is have them punch, kick, and energy blast when Goku totally could have at least tried one of his one-off techniques.All I see here is facts
I think people have this misconception that dragon ball characters are completely haxless and all they know is just to punch and kick
Reading this thread, it makes pretty obvious that Dragon Ball fans are allergic to reading.
What's your take on this
And I just love how the top comments says that naruto truth seeking orb can erase them when both goku and vegeta have resistance to ee
Also saying ooc for ue vegeta to use hakai
Speed amp wins are only invalidated if they're used by the slower characterSpeed equalisation is one of those things that I've started to dislike over time. All it does is punish characters for having high speed while giving the haxed absurd opportunities to win matches they could never win otherwise. Even starting with equalised speed and then allowing a character to use their speed-buffing abilities (e.g Dyspo with Lightspeed Mode or even just Goku using Afterimage) apparently invalidates their win.
I think I've gone on record to say that speed is a useless stat on this site and it might as well not be tracked.Speed equalisation is one of those things that I've started to dislike over time. All it does is punish characters for having high speed while giving the haxed absurd opportunities to win matches they could never win otherwise. Even starting with equalised speed and then allowing a character to use their speed-buffing abilities (e.g Dyspo with Lightspeed Mode or even just Goku using Afterimage) apparently invalidates their win.
I get the idea is to broaden match variety but after a while it just feels silly.
Since this suggestion seems to have been accepted, are any of you willing and able to properly replace the "Dragon Ball" category with a "Dragon Ball Games" category for all of our wiki pages featuring characters from the games continuity?Hello.
Do you think that it would be a good idea to replace the general "Dragon Ball" category with a "Dragon Ball Games" category for the listed characters from that (loose) continuity?
We do seem to have a separate "Dragon Ball GT" category after all.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Dragon_Ball
Besides Piccolo Jr., what notable lifting feats are there? All the (two few and far between) highest calculations are from pushing and throwing.Every single 'low end" feat they have us with weighted clothing (barring the megatta scene)
The stress placed upon his body by the weights was equivalent to 100g.(it's 4000 tons actually, gravity was 100x I believe)
What do you expect? When I saw them rate TSO above Hakai, I knew that there is no point in arguing with them lmfao. They are worse than Comicvine and that's pretty hard to achieve ngl.r/PowerScaling members purposefully ignored Goku and Vegeta hax in DBS which really handy.
Lmfao omega disagreedNothing too big, just adding scan and another skill afterwards.
Zeno Self-Sustenance
Zeno, after erasing the entire timeline, was able to live without oxygen in a void without time or space, in addition he must receive a possibly type 2, because if Goku didn't have the idea of going there, he could stay in the void forever without food or no water. Self-Sustenance type 1 in...vsbattles.com