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She should downscale off of base DBH characters who are L1-C
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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NishizumiShiho
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Soo... Low 1-C but weaker?
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Yeah, she still probably has infinite 5D so she'd still one shot most other 5D characters
NishizumiShiho
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Zamn, a literal kid solos HST
Killerdrone123
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What's your take on this
And I just love how the top comments says that naruto truth seeking orb can erase them when both goku and vegeta have resistance to ee
Also saying ooc for ue vegeta to use hakai
Killerdrone123
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HST?Zamn, a literal kid solos HST
NishizumiShiho
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Holy Shonen Trinity
Vietthai96
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Not even aware these new shit, well, let see if i can do anything.
Vegito
Vegito (ベジット, Bejitto?) is the Potara Fusion of Son Goku and Vegeta, who had appeared in two sagas; The Goku black saga and the Majin Buu saga. Originally formed to defeat Majin Buu after he had absorbed Gohan, and later reappearing to fight Fusion Zamasu. While all fusions have immense power...vsbattles.fandom.com
Not gonna lie, the profile really irks me for some reason.
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Yes, she should still be Low 1-C. She'd just be one shot by most DBH characters.
NishizumiShiho
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I want to help
NishizumiShiho
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Demigra has the best theme across DB Game imo.
Killerdrone123
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Ah ok
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Couldn't Vegeta separate Luffy from his fruit, and wouldn't the same happen with Naruto and the power of Rikoudou Sennin?
What's your take on this
And I just love how the top comments says that naruto truth seeking orb can erase them when both goku and vegeta have resistance to ee
Also saying ooc for ue vegeta to use hakai
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Yes, he can.
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What about it needs to be updated?
Vegito (DBS Manga)
Vegito (ベジット, Bejitto?) is the Potara Fusion of Son Goku and Vegeta, originally formed to defeat Majin Buu after he had absorbed Gohan, and later reappearing to fight Fusion Zamasu. While all fusions have immense power, Vegito's power is abnormal even by Potara standards, as Vegeta and Goku's...
this one needs to be updated
Spinoirr
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the link to anime beerus, Vegito never was turned into candy in super
SirAlex09
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The thing is that statement in our Wiki is weird af. Yes Hit didn't lose due to speed because Obito outhaxed him. But if we take speed away we also essentially take a win condition away as well cause he would have speedblitzed him before Obito could birth his next thought
SirAlex09
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Dude why you bait me like that. I stopped believing after I read Tori bot....man it sounded so nice
Killerdrone123
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He can I literally pointed out it out on the post and I got downvoted
And as I already mentioned people literally said that it is ooc for ue vegeta to use hakai wtf
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Really, but I think it's because of the manga Dragon Ball Z saga Boo.
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Yeah, that’s true. This is how it’d work in real life too. For example, the strongest man may be able to deadlift 1185 pounds, but if you put 600 pounds on his body he most likely will not be able to move or can barely move.
Eiither explaining that lifting is different from wearing, or separating wearing and lifting in the LS section. I would probably do the former, but there should be a note explaining why.
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He should have abilities from his Z counterpart there's no reason he shouldn't. Also even DBS Manga Goku and Vegeta link to anime Beerus so there's no need to change it
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Speed equalisation is one of those things that I've started to dislike over time. All it does is punish characters for having high speed while giving the haxed absurd opportunities to win matches they could never win otherwise. Even starting with equalised speed and then allowing a character to use their speed-buffing abilities (e.g Dyspo with Lightspeed Mode or even just Goku using Afterimage) apparently invalidates their win.
I get the idea is to broaden match variety but after a while it just feels silly.
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Speed only matters on this wiki (for vs threads) if you have several different speeds.
Type MHS speed with a SoL attack.
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Well to be honest, Vegeta hard counters both Luffy and Naruto. While they would still have Chakra and Haki, Naruto would lose Kurama, the powers of the other Eight Tailed Beasts, the 6oSP powers, and Sage Mode. Similarly, due to the spiritualistic nature of Devil Fruits, (and the fact it is an external power up given to him), Vegeta can separate it from him and nerf them. They're, by DEFINITION, what Forced Spirit Fission can undo.
Ichigo is immune due to the sole fact that while his power ups work through external means, they're actually 100% from an internal source. They basically use a middle man. Whether that be Rukia, his false Bankai, etc. They come from him but are harnessed through external forces that would make you think he'd be vulnerable. However, once Naruto and Luffy are gone it's Ichigo by himself versus Goku and Vegeta, who have much more combat experience and can get around him with illusions, teleportation, auto dodging, their pseudo-precog, sealing, paralysis, deconstruction, etc.
This is also ignoring that throughout the fight, even without technique and transformation multipliers, (such as Kaioken, or in the case of the Big 3/HST, things like Blut Vene, Boil Release, or Armament Haki), Goku and Vegeta passively grow in power through combat. Like, Vegeta taking a hit boosts his power above them, and with equal stamina he'd swiftly outgrow Ichigo even if they can't nail him with any of their hax options, allowing them to kill them with a good ol' fashioned punch to the schnoz.
That said, before Moro and the Granolah Arcs, I think there's a case to be made that the HST could have won (in a stat equal). They'd have all their hax, which gives them precog (which only would have been countered by their predictions, and raw future vision is better than that), cellular level attacks, turning people into frog statues, corrosion, etc.
Ichigo is immune due to the sole fact that while his power ups work through external means, they're actually 100% from an internal source. They basically use a middle man. Whether that be Rukia, his false Bankai, etc. They come from him but are harnessed through external forces that would make you think he'd be vulnerable. However, once Naruto and Luffy are gone it's Ichigo by himself versus Goku and Vegeta, who have much more combat experience and can get around him with illusions, teleportation, auto dodging, their pseudo-precog, sealing, paralysis, deconstruction, etc.
This is also ignoring that throughout the fight, even without technique and transformation multipliers, (such as Kaioken, or in the case of the Big 3/HST, things like Blut Vene, Boil Release, or Armament Haki), Goku and Vegeta passively grow in power through combat. Like, Vegeta taking a hit boosts his power above them, and with equal stamina he'd swiftly outgrow Ichigo even if they can't nail him with any of their hax options, allowing them to kill them with a good ol' fashioned punch to the schnoz.
That said, before Moro and the Granolah Arcs, I think there's a case to be made that the HST could have won (in a stat equal). They'd have all their hax, which gives them precog (which only would have been countered by their predictions, and raw future vision is better than that), cellular level attacks, turning people into frog statues, corrosion, etc.
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All I see here is facts
I think people have this misconception that dragon ball characters are completely haxless and all they know is just to punch and kick
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Yeah, but in my opinion this misconception comes from the fact Toriyama/Toyotaru/Toei doesn't remember he makes them do more. Like the God Bind, or Intent (Goku V Trunks)/Mind (Goku meeting Krillin on Namek) Reading, Sealing, or being resistant to Pressure Points. (Whether that be in OG DB where he tanks one that should leave him out for a week, or the fact he canonically learned them and should be able to defend, or the fact he can predict them and prevent attacks to them ala Hit, because despite all of that Granolah just can affect them regardless). Just generally speaking, all Toriyama/Toyotaru/Toei DOES is have them punch, kick, and energy blast when Goku totally could have at least tried one of his one-off techniques.All I see here is facts
I think people have this misconception that dragon ball characters are completely haxless and all they know is just to punch and kick
Unlike nowadays with other Shonen, where there's a lot larger focus on "OP Hax Abilities."
Fezzih_007
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Reading this thread, it makes pretty obvious that Dragon Ball fans are allergic to reading.
What's your take on this
And I just love how the top comments says that naruto truth seeking orb can erase them when both goku and vegeta have resistance to ee
Also saying ooc for ue vegeta to use hakai
Eden_Warlock99
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Speed amp wins are only invalidated if they're used by the slower character
ZetaMarishi
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I think I've gone on record to say that speed is a useless stat on this site and it might as well not be tracked.
Obviously this is primarily an indexing site, so obviously it should be, but I've never liked speed equal fights in general.
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the only one who really has a chance is Luffy. Im not really up to date but it seems the anime made Luffy more broken and he got a shot. Before that it was a GG for ma boy Gokuuuu.
Naruto is tanky with a huge amount of abilities but he aint touching Goku and im even ignoring UI and scaling from Roshis trash UI. He has some ways of putting him down but even if they dont work, he could just beat the living shit out of Naruto and make him shit in the bed.
Naruto is tanky with a huge amount of abilities but he aint touching Goku and im even ignoring UI and scaling from Roshis trash UI. He has some ways of putting him down but even if they dont work, he could just beat the living shit out of Naruto and make him shit in the bed.
Killerdrone123
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Goku could literally restrain luffy via god bind and use deconstruction or destructo disk on him also luffy would get his devil fruit amp removed by vegeta even with luffy precog goku could predict someone who can literally skip time so he has more than enough analytical prediction to deal with luffy
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Since this suggestion seems to have been accepted, are any of you willing and able to properly replace the "Dragon Ball" category with a "Dragon Ball Games" category for all of our wiki pages featuring characters from the games continuity?
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Besides Piccolo Jr., what notable lifting feats are there? All the (two few and far between) highest calculations are from pushing and throwing.
The stress placed upon his body by the weights was equivalent to 100g.
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Nothing too big, just adding scan and another skill afterwards.
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Zeno Self-Sustenance
Zeno, after erasing the entire timeline, was able to live without oxygen in a void without time or space, in addition he must receive a possibly type 2, because if Goku didn't have the idea of going there, he could stay in the void forever without food or no water. Self-Sustenance type 1 in...
NishizumiShiho
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r/PowerScaling members purposefully ignored Goku and Vegeta hax in DBS which really handy.
SirAlex09
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What do you expect? When I saw them rate TSO above Hakai, I knew that there is no point in arguing with them lmfao. They are worse than Comicvine and that's pretty hard to achieve ngl.
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Lmfao omega disagreedNothing too big, just adding scan and another skill afterwards.
Zeno Self-Sustenance
Zeno, after erasing the entire timeline, was able to live without oxygen in a void without time or space, in addition he must receive a possibly type 2, because if Goku didn't have the idea of going there, he could stay in the void forever without food or no water. Self-Sustenance type 1 in...
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