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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Thank God someone finally tidying up both CC Goku and Xeno Goku page. It was such a mess before.
that someone is me

Not gonna lie, the profile really irks me for some reason.
Not even aware these new shit, well, let see if i can do anything.

you guys are so terrible at formating profiles
 

this one needs to be updated
What about it needs to be updated?
 
That the match wouldn´t probably be able to be added if one of the main reasons Hit lost was because speed was equalized
The thing is that statement in our Wiki is weird af. Yes Hit didn't lose due to speed because Obito outhaxed him. But if we take speed away we also essentially take a win condition away as well cause he would have speedblitzed him before Obito could birth his next thought
 
GUYS, WE JUST GOT SOME HUGE LEAKS.

Next arc, Black Frieza travels to the Demon Realm, which is stated to be a realm transcending all dimensions and concepts, and later destroys it with a Dark Supernova. He then transcends the narrative and kills kills Tori-Bot, before, obviously, Goku unlocks Super Saiyan 4, then combines it with Ultra Instinct and Super Saiyan Blue, creating Azure Saiyan Instinct, a form so powerful that they had to have Antvasima come in and explain that it's canonically Boundless to casual readers.
Dude why you bait me like that. I stopped believing after I read Tori bot....man it sounded so nice :p
 
Couldn't Vegeta separate Luffy from his fruit, and wouldn't the same happen with Naruto and the power of Rikoudou Sennin?
He can I literally pointed out it out on the post and I got downvoted

And as I already mentioned people literally said that it is ooc for ue vegeta to use hakai wtf
 
There is a consistent gap in their ability to lift things over their head and weighted clothing.

Every single 'low end" feat they have us with weighted clothing (barring the megatta scene)

Goku/krillin pushing 500 or so ton boulder a shirt distance but training with 40kg,

Goku flipping a 116 ton piccolo while 113kg weights pose a challenge (this is the equivalent of wearing an armor the weight of an egg and flipping a full grown man)

The 40 tons is the same (it's 4000 tons actually, gravity was 100x I believe), weighted clothing


It's a similar thing to their travel and combat speed gap

At best, a note should be stated that their lifting strength in db/DBZ isn't the same when carrying weighted clothing just as there's one talking about travel and combat speed

Especially since their lifting strength is shown to be affected by their ki
Yeah, that’s true. This is how it’d work in real life too. For example, the strongest man may be able to deadlift 1185 pounds, but if you put 600 pounds on his body he most likely will not be able to move or can barely move.

Eiither explaining that lifting is different from wearing, or separating wearing and lifting in the LS section. I would probably do the former, but there should be a note explaining why.


(Regarding the Magetta thing you can just say he added pressure to his feet.)
 
The thing is that statement in our Wiki is weird af. Yes Hit didn't lose due to speed because Obito outhaxed him. But if we take speed away we also essentially take a win condition away as well cause he would have speedblitzed him before Obito could birth his next thought
Speed equalisation is one of those things that I've started to dislike over time. All it does is punish characters for having high speed while giving the haxed absurd opportunities to win matches they could never win otherwise. Even starting with equalised speed and then allowing a character to use their speed-buffing abilities (e.g Dyspo with Lightspeed Mode or even just Goku using Afterimage) apparently invalidates their win.

I get the idea is to broaden match variety but after a while it just feels silly.
 
Speed equalisation is one of those things that I've started to dislike over time. All it does is punish characters for having high speed while giving the haxed absurd opportunities to win matches they could never win otherwise. Even starting with equalised speed and then allowing a character to use their speed-buffing abilities (e.g Dyspo with Lightspeed Mode or even just Goku using Afterimage) apparently invalidates their win.

I get the idea is to broaden match variety but after a while it just feels silly.
Speed only matters on this wiki (for vs threads) if you have several different speeds.

Type MHS speed with a SoL attack.
 
Well to be honest, Vegeta hard counters both Luffy and Naruto. While they would still have Chakra and Haki, Naruto would lose Kurama, the powers of the other Eight Tailed Beasts, the 6oSP powers, and Sage Mode. Similarly, due to the spiritualistic nature of Devil Fruits, (and the fact it is an external power up given to him), Vegeta can separate it from him and nerf them. They're, by DEFINITION, what Forced Spirit Fission can undo.

Ichigo is immune due to the sole fact that while his power ups work through external means, they're actually 100% from an internal source. They basically use a middle man. Whether that be Rukia, his false Bankai, etc. They come from him but are harnessed through external forces that would make you think he'd be vulnerable. However, once Naruto and Luffy are gone it's Ichigo by himself versus Goku and Vegeta, who have much more combat experience and can get around him with illusions, teleportation, auto dodging, their pseudo-precog, sealing, paralysis, deconstruction, etc.

This is also ignoring that throughout the fight, even without technique and transformation multipliers, (such as Kaioken, or in the case of the Big 3/HST, things like Blut Vene, Boil Release, or Armament Haki), Goku and Vegeta passively grow in power through combat. Like, Vegeta taking a hit boosts his power above them, and with equal stamina he'd swiftly outgrow Ichigo even if they can't nail him with any of their hax options, allowing them to kill them with a good ol' fashioned punch to the schnoz.

That said, before Moro and the Granolah Arcs, I think there's a case to be made that the HST could have won (in a stat equal). They'd have all their hax, which gives them precog (which only would have been countered by their predictions, and raw future vision is better than that), cellular level attacks, turning people into frog statues, corrosion, etc.
 
Well to be honest, Vegeta hard counters both Luffy and Naruto. While they would still have Chakra and Haki, Naruto would lose Kurama, the powers of the other Eight Tailed Beasts, the 6oSP powers, and Sage Mode. Similarly, due to the spiritualistic nature of Devil Fruits, (and the fact it is an external power up given to him), Vegeta can separate it from him and nerf them. They're, by DEFINITION, what Forced Spirit Fission can undo.

Ichigo is immune due to the sole fact that while his power ups work through external means, they're actually 100% from an internal source. They basically use a middle man. Whether that be Rukia, his false Bankai, etc. They come from him but are harnessed through external forces that would make you think he'd be vulnerable. However, once Naruto and Luffy are gone it's Ichigo by himself versus Goku and Vegeta, who have much more combat experience and can get around him with illusions, teleportation, auto dodging, their pseudo-precog, sealing, paralysis, deconstruction, etc.

This is also ignoring that throughout the fight, even without technique and transformation multipliers, (such as Kaioken, or in the case of the Big 3/HST, things like Blut Vene, Boil Release, or Armament Haki), Goku and Vegeta passively grow in power through combat. Like, Vegeta taking a hit boosts his power above them, and with equal stamina he'd swiftly outgrow Ichigo even if they can't nail him with any of their hax options, allowing them to kill them with a good ol' fashioned punch to the schnoz.

That said, before Moro and the Granolah Arcs, I think there's a case to be made that the HST could have won (in a stat equal). They'd have all their hax, which gives them precog (which only would have been countered by their predictions, and raw future vision is better than that), cellular level attacks, turning people into frog statues, corrosion, etc.
All I see here is facts🔥🔥🔥

I think people have this misconception that dragon ball characters are completely haxless and all they know is just to punch and kick
 
All I see here is facts🔥🔥🔥

I think people have this misconception that dragon ball characters are completely haxless and all they know is just to punch and kick
Yeah, but in my opinion this misconception comes from the fact Toriyama/Toyotaru/Toei doesn't remember he makes them do more. Like the God Bind, or Intent (Goku V Trunks)/Mind (Goku meeting Krillin on Namek) Reading, Sealing, or being resistant to Pressure Points. (Whether that be in OG DB where he tanks one that should leave him out for a week, or the fact he canonically learned them and should be able to defend, or the fact he can predict them and prevent attacks to them ala Hit, because despite all of that Granolah just can affect them regardless). Just generally speaking, all Toriyama/Toyotaru/Toei DOES is have them punch, kick, and energy blast when Goku totally could have at least tried one of his one-off techniques.

Unlike nowadays with other Shonen, where there's a lot larger focus on "OP Hax Abilities."
 
Speed equalisation is one of those things that I've started to dislike over time. All it does is punish characters for having high speed while giving the haxed absurd opportunities to win matches they could never win otherwise. Even starting with equalised speed and then allowing a character to use their speed-buffing abilities (e.g Dyspo with Lightspeed Mode or even just Goku using Afterimage) apparently invalidates their win.
Speed amp wins are only invalidated if they're used by the slower character
 
Speed equalisation is one of those things that I've started to dislike over time. All it does is punish characters for having high speed while giving the haxed absurd opportunities to win matches they could never win otherwise. Even starting with equalised speed and then allowing a character to use their speed-buffing abilities (e.g Dyspo with Lightspeed Mode or even just Goku using Afterimage) apparently invalidates their win.

I get the idea is to broaden match variety but after a while it just feels silly.
I think I've gone on record to say that speed is a useless stat on this site and it might as well not be tracked.

Obviously this is primarily an indexing site, so obviously it should be, but I've never liked speed equal fights in general.
 
the only one who really has a chance is Luffy. Im not really up to date but it seems the anime made Luffy more broken and he got a shot. Before that it was a GG for ma boy Gokuuuu.

Naruto is tanky with a huge amount of abilities but he aint touching Goku and im even ignoring UI and scaling from Roshis trash UI. He has some ways of putting him down but even if they dont work, he could just beat the living shit out of Naruto and make him shit in the bed.
 
Goku could literally restrain luffy via god bind and use deconstruction or destructo disk on him also luffy would get his devil fruit amp removed by vegeta even with luffy precog goku could predict someone who can literally skip time so he has more than enough analytical prediction to deal with luffy
 
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Hello.

Do you think that it would be a good idea to replace the general "Dragon Ball" category with a "Dragon Ball Games" category for the listed characters from that (loose) continuity?

We do seem to have a separate "Dragon Ball GT" category after all.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Dragon_Ball
Since this suggestion seems to have been accepted, are any of you willing and able to properly replace the "Dragon Ball" category with a "Dragon Ball Games" category for all of our wiki pages featuring characters from the games continuity?
 
Nothing too big, just adding scan and another skill afterwards.
 
r/PowerScaling members purposefully ignored Goku and Vegeta hax in DBS which really handy.
What do you expect? When I saw them rate TSO above Hakai, I knew that there is no point in arguing with them lmfao. They are worse than Comicvine and that's pretty hard to achieve ngl.
 
Nothing too big, just adding scan and another skill afterwards.
Lmfao omega disagreed
 
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