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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

I don't see how anyone can buy GT scaling higher when Super has absurdity like Goku absorbing God into base or SSB Vegeta kicking SSR Black's ass when SS1 Black stomped Vegeta Blue just a chapter or two before that.

The only way you could argue GT scales higher is if you lowball Super Saiyan God to the absolute pits. Which shouldn't be the case with someone like Divine who built his channel around hype scaling.
 
I mean... no shit. I'd do the same thing. I wouldn't want to necessarily shaft one side of the franchise for pretty much no real reason.

Though admittedly, to memory there's usually a very slight bias towards Super Goku. But yeah, usually when they're put up against each other, they tend to be relative.
 
I'm still amazed by the Kienzan that could one shot being far stronger than the user itself. I wonder why Cell didn't get decapitated, maybe because his Ki are just too powerful for the Kienzan to pierce and cut through.
 
NishizumiShiho said:
I'm still amazed by the Kienzan that could one shot being far stronger than the user itself. I wonder why Cell didn't get decapitated, maybe because his Ki are just too powerful for the Kienzan to pierce and cut through.
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Destructo disc should have long had durability negation and cell should have resistance to durability negation but it doesn't
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Destructo disc should have long had durability negation and cell should have resistance to durability negation but it doesn't
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Limited could he added since if the power difference was too great like ToP SSB Goku Kienzan being caught and thrown like a frisbee by Jiren, it won't do much.
 
Why can't we use transformations for LS?

In addition to the UES for physical stats, we see two occasions where transforming gives you more LS.

As in the case of the gravity machine, where trunks transforming into SSJ made him move better (support his own weight), and we have a scene in which Goku was training with X tons of weight and managed to lift much more after transform into SSJ (boo saga).

Besides in super, with that fake black hole. Goku Base could barely stand up because of gravity, but when he transformed into SSB he was able to get up easily.

I think it's quite obvious that the transformation multipliers that go to strength, speed, etc., also go to the LS.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Why can't we use transformations for LS?

In addition to the UES for physical stats, we see two occasions where transforming gives you more LS.

As in the case of the gravity machine, where trunks transforming into SSJ made him move better (support his own weight), and we have a scene in which Goku was training with X tons of weight and managed to lift much more after transform into SSJ (boo saga).

Besides in super, with that fake black hole. Goku Base could barely stand up because of gravity, but when he transformed into SSB he was able to get up easily.

I think it's quite obvious that the transformation multipliers that go to strength, speed, etc., also go to the LS.
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I think you could try
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Why can't we use transformations for LS?

In addition to the UES for physical stats, we see two occasions where transforming gives you more LS.

As in the case of the gravity machine, where trunks transforming into SSJ made him move better (support his own weight), and we have a scene in which Goku was training with X tons of weight and managed to lift much more after transform into SSJ (boo saga).

Besides in super, with that fake black hole. Goku Base could barely stand up because of gravity, but when he transformed into SSB he was able to get up easily.

I think it's quite obvious that the transformation multipliers that go to strength, speed, etc., also go to the LS.
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well, no one did that yet, if one wants to do that, then one can try an do that

altho, where would we start?
 
If there are variable lifting strength feats throughout the series, in various SSJ form, and lastly, without continuity (e.g imagine SSG Goku has a Class K feat, SS1 a Class G and Kid Goku a Class M) it almost becomes impossible unless you just take the highest value, take whatever form it happened in, and then add multipliers for the forms beyond that to it.
 
omegabronic said:
well, no one did that yet, if one wants to do that, then one can try an do that

altho, where would we start?
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First a crt to accept this.

Then we'll start with scales with multipliers (kaioken/ssjs). It can be one crt for all continuities or one for each continuity.

It would be easy for example for super. Since Goku only has one calculation, then just put the multiplier of each transformation giving X Class of LS.

The third would be more controversial. That greater fighting power/power in general would also include greater LS (as with attack and speed)

So if for example. Goku SSB has X LS and in the future Goku's Base power is as strong as this past version of him, so he would scale LS.

Or some shit like that.

I'm not good with this math stuff and multipliers, especially with DB. So here's the idea for you, for DB to have an LS more worthy of the power that the guys have nowadays.

That means Class M x 250,000 🥶 (that's the god or blue multiplier or shit isn't it?)
 
Quantu said:
If there are variable lifting strength feats throughout the series, in various SSJ form, and lastly, without continuity (e.g imagine SSG Goku has a Class K feat, SS1 a Class G and Kid Goku a Class M) it almost becomes impossible unless you just take the highest value, take whatever form it happened in, and then add multipliers for the forms beyond that to it.
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DB has very few calculations for LS, at least in Canon. I think that in the entire DBS anime, we only have Goku's Class M calculation.

And in the original DB, it is unknown.
 
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Phsccarvalho said:
Why can't we use transformations for LS?

In addition to the UES for physical stats, we see two occasions where transforming gives you more LS.

As in the case of the gravity machine, where trunks transforming into SSJ made him move better (support his own weight), and we have a scene in which Goku was training with X tons of weight and managed to lift much more after transform into SSJ (boo saga).

Besides in super, with that fake black hole. Goku Base could barely stand up because of gravity, but when he transformed into SSB he was able to get up easily.

I think it's quite obvious that the transformation multipliers that go to strength, speed, etc., also go to the LS.
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agree fra
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Why can't we use transformations for LS?

In addition to the UES for physical stats, we see two occasions where transforming gives you more LS.

As in the case of the gravity machine, where trunks transforming into SSJ made him move better (support his own weight), and we have a scene in which Goku was training with X tons of weight and managed to lift much more after transform into SSJ (boo saga).

Besides in super, with that fake black hole. Goku Base could barely stand up because of gravity, but when he transformed into SSB he was able to get up easily.

I think it's quite obvious that the transformation multipliers that go to strength, speed, etc., also go to the LS.
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Question, in my fan fiction when goku was 18/19 (the same time as the Piccolo jr arc) bro lifted a satellite with both arms alongside someone else. Giving them class G each, then when the other person was falling, he had to hold them and lift it with one arm and had to use a 4 times power amp to hold it better

So could I use transformations for lifting strength (God knows how much that would be with the scaling lol)
 
oh BTW!
should we add back the "Low 1-C With EE" to beerus and practically any other god of destruction now that dr slump is back at low 1-c?
 
I mean most of the staff that voted were disagreeing with it because of continuity mechanics between the verses from what I saw, you guys were the ones disagreeing with it as a outliner
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Why can't we use transformations for LS?
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Ignoring the possibly lethal 6 tons of 100g or the 20 kg/40 lb/2 ton/10 ton weights that encumber the main cast time and time again,
take your pick ig
 
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lmfao idc goku hakai's GG
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Ignoring the possibly lethal 6 tons of 100g or the 20 kg/40 lb/10 ton/40 ton weights that encumber the main cast time and time again,
take your pick ig
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what would goku's lifting strength be with all his transformations stacked
 
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