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Sorry. What are you trying to say?
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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omg class p LS goku would be SOOO NICE, i would abuse that telekinesis on vs matches
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That the match wouldn´t probably be able to be added if one of the main reasons Hit lost was because speed was equalized
Spinoirr
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And this isn't even taking in account the scaling chains of Dragon Ball to super
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do you think it would get accepted that his LS goes up after transformations? Because honestly its consistent
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I mean, I was just talking about having an LS multiplier using the transformations. So I think things would start with this 40 ton thing.
Furthermore, the Vegeta in the DBS manga is class M, but doesn't he also have difficulty lifting the few-ton robot?
Even if we only take into account the 4x of the SSJ that went from 10 tons to 40, there would probably still be an inconsistency.
But anyway, we have also been shown that ssj transformations increase the LS.
In this scenario or we have several calculations above 40 tons (which causes problems for Goku Boo Saga), isn't it appropriate for the author's death? I don't know.
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Remember outliers are only apply to feats that would buff a verse. It can't possibly be that the writers just don't know how strong the characters they write are. And as we all know, we take every writer's word at 100% face value.
NishizumiShiho
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That's why Beerus should be Low 1-C via Hakai, he erased Dr. Mashirito out of existence and Dr. Mashirito survived numerous amount of narrative erasure.
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just argue it offsite lol
NishizumiShiho
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Thank God someone finally tidying up both CC Goku and Xeno Goku page. It was such a mess before.
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vegeta just got stronger, his class M feat was after that, and then add the multipliers
Nullflowerblush
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Auta Magetta weighs over 1,000 tons, and Vegeta's Class M feat is just under—948.144576 tons (Class K). Additionally, Vegeta performed said feat in the Galactic Patrolman Saga, as in way after the Tournament of Power, and way after the Zero Mortals Plan, and, thus, way after the Tournament of Destroyers.
Kale lifted Magetta above her head with one arm, and Gohan stalemated Kefla. Vegeta probably scales either way.
NishizumiShiho
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Definitely.
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so what do you think of multipliers being used?
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The Class M it has is currently for all keys as it is.
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This one's on me—it was 2 tons on each limb (8 tons), then 10 tons on each limbs (40 tons).
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Why Beerus Low 1-C EE is a Outlier:
1) Is it a big jump or drop in power? Yes
2) Is it a unique or exceptional incident? Yes
3) Is the event unexplained and unjustified? Yes
4) Does the event break the previously established power-scaling? Yes
5) Does the event break with the narrative of the work? DB and Dr. Slump aren´t from the same narrative, so it would be impossible
1) Is it a big jump or drop in power? Yes
2) Is it a unique or exceptional incident? Yes
3) Is the event unexplained and unjustified? Yes
4) Does the event break the previously established power-scaling? Yes
5) Does the event break with the narrative of the work? DB and Dr. Slump aren´t from the same narrative, so it would be impossible
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I understand, I'm not a reader of the manga, I just watch it from above.
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wait so they are already being used
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If the macrocosm ever gets 5D then the matchstick house we built for that being an outlier crumbles. I doubt that'll ever happen but it'd be funny to see
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I'm gonna sneak into Toyo's house and adjust the drafts of the next chapters to get 5D afterlife
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GUYS, WE JUST GOT SOME HUGE LEAKS.
Next arc, Black Frieza travels to the Demon Realm, which is stated to be a realm transcending all dimensions and concepts, and later destroys it with a Dark Supernova. He then transcends the narrative and kills kills Tori-Bot, before, obviously, Goku unlocks Super Saiyan 4, then combines it with Ultra Instinct and Super Saiyan Blue, creating Azure Saiyan Instinct, a form so powerful that they had to have Antvasima come in and explain that it's canonically Boundless to casual readers.
Next arc, Black Frieza travels to the Demon Realm, which is stated to be a realm transcending all dimensions and concepts, and later destroys it with a Dark Supernova. He then transcends the narrative and kills kills Tori-Bot, before, obviously, Goku unlocks Super Saiyan 4, then combines it with Ultra Instinct and Super Saiyan Blue, creating Azure Saiyan Instinct, a form so powerful that they had to have Antvasima come in and explain that it's canonically Boundless to casual readers.
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bros tweaking
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True if huge
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tier 11 db is now confirmed
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If we do decide to use multipliers for lifting strength. I would suggest starting the scaling chain from a super feat, then adding multipliers from that. Since Goku struggled to move his body with 40 tons on it in base.
So we don’t have any outlier talk.
So we don’t have any outlier talk.
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As a Toriyama friend i can confirm that everything in that sentence is true
NishizumiShiho
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I'll sneak into Toriyama/Toyotaro house and make my own guidebook.
NishizumiShiho
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How strong Xeno Pan is?
NishizumiShiho
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Vegito
Vegito (ベジット, Bejitto?) is the Potara Fusion of Son Goku and Vegeta, who had appeared in two sagas; The Goku black saga and the Majin Buu saga. Originally formed to defeat Majin Buu after he had absorbed Gohan, and later reappearing to fight Fusion Zamasu. While all fusions have immense power...
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Not gonna lie, the profile really irks me for some reason.
Spinoirr
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needs updating frVegito
Vegito (ベジット, Bejitto?) is the Potara Fusion of Son Goku and Vegeta, who had appeared in two sagas; The Goku black saga and the Majin Buu saga. Originally formed to defeat Majin Buu after he had absorbed Gohan, and later reappearing to fight Fusion Zamasu. While all fusions have immense power...
Not gonna lie, the profile really irks me for some reason.
Spinoirr
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Vegito (DBS Manga)
Vegito (ベジット, Bejitto?) is the Potara Fusion of Son Goku and Vegeta, originally formed to defeat Majin Buu after he had absorbed Gohan, and later reappearing to fight Fusion Zamasu. While all fusions have immense power, Vegito's power is abnormal even by Potara standards, as Vegeta and Goku's...
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this one needs to be updated
NishizumiShiho
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I want to upgrade it ngl, to make it more tidy and organized.
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That's not what this requirement means, example, it's a fact that super shenron can give abilities that can allow one survive EE from a GoD, of Beerus somehow EE's someone down the line that was given immortality or invulnerability by SS without any explanation, that's a narrative break and we pick the more reliable one
Edit: my quote is malfunctioning on my phone, most of my replies are within the quoted space
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There is a consistent gap in their ability to lift things over their head and weighted clothing.
Every single 'low end" feat they have us with weighted clothing (barring the megatta scene)
Goku/krillin pushing 500 or so ton boulder a shirt distance but training with 40kg,
Goku flipping a 116 ton piccolo while 113kg weights pose a challenge (this is the equivalent of wearing an armor the weight of an egg and flipping a full grown man)
The 40 tons is the same (it's 4000 tons actually, gravity was 100x I believe), weighted clothing
It's a similar thing to their travel and combat speed gap
At best, a note should be stated that their lifting strength in db/DBZ isn't the same when carrying weighted clothing just as there's one talking about travel and combat speed
Especially since their lifting strength is shown to be affected by their ki
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As far as I'm aware she's the weakest member of the Time Patrol shown in SDBH. It should go something like:
LBSS4 Goku = LBSS4 Vegeta > SSG Trunks ? Ultimate Goten > SS4 Gohan >>>> Pan
Trunks is somewhat odd because with SSG he was able to overcome threats equivalent to SS4/SSB fusions but, from what I know, isn't too impressive afterwards. I think he's somewhere above SS4/SSB level but probably below LBSS4/SSBE level.
Where exactly Pan lies is hard to gauge because she has no real notable combat roles or feats but she's probably weaker than any of the base Time Patrollers (Base Goku, Base Vegeta, Base Trunks, Base Goten, Base Gohan)
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Yeah, I agree. We don't conflate Travel Speed with Combat Speed because it's noted that traveling longer distances consumes Ki rapidly. Goku moving behind his opponent in a flash can easily be FTL and consume minimal energy but moving from one end of the planet to the next ends up taking much longer and consuming way more energy because of constantly outputting the power.
The same thing applies to striking strength. Goku's punch can definitely match his Kamehameha but that depends on how much Ki he puts into a punch. Not all of his normal punches are as strong as a charged punch would be.
As such it's very likely that LS varies with the level of Ki exerted. Training long periods with weights is probably going to consume tons of Ki but I'm sure Goku can briefly lift a large amount of weight if it's just for a few seconds. For example Yuzun can lift and throw a 20,000 ton building but that doesn't mean he can exert the Ki to lift that weight for hours of training.
Using Ki in bursts? Very easy to do. Using Ki for significant periods of time? Rapidly runs out.
A good example might be Super Saiyan 3. Vegeta and Goku both believe FPSS3 can instantly wipe Kid Buu out but Goku can't reach his full power no matter how hard he tries. It just takes too much time to power up and that time ends up wasting his Ki. Another example could be Piccolo's faith that Ultimate Gohan can overpower Cell Max if he charges his Ki for long enough.
We rarely see the true potential of Ki because Ki gets wasted too much or they don't get the time to charge it properly. That's what Vegeta is talking about in Super Hero with needing to relax your body (0) and power up instantly (100) to make the most out of your power.
tl;dr
Ki drains very quickly. Only good in bursts. Vegeta is learning to master that as of Super Hero. Goku and co. are much stronger than we think, they just don't get the chance to go full power often and suck at using Ki for long periods.
NishizumiShiho
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Is she in Low 1-C or weaker?
