Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Killerdrone123]

There is a 2-C version of it.

Demigra (Dragon Ball Xenoverse)

Demigra (ドミグラ, Domigura?), usually referred to as Demon God Demigra (魔ま神しんドミグラ, Mashin Domigura?), is a main antagonist in Dragon Ball Xenoverse. A Demon God imprisoned by Chronoa for attempting to usurp her position as Supreme Kai of Time, he is hellbent on distorting history to free himself...

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But it's smurf

Oh yeah there is xenoverse version to why it isn't linked to his heroes profile anyway his first key is 2c and later one low 1c there are xenoverse characters who have 3b as there first key

 

[Vietthai96]

if counting "Xenoverse" then Trunks is the weakest, if counting Heroes only then it is Sealas probably

 

[AguilaR202]

Restoring a multiverse by reversing time isn’t remotely enough, it’s not that easy. It’s hard for me to explain, but you’d need a feat proving an implicit higher cosmology that uses different directions of past/present/future than that of any regular space-time. It would be different if they time traveled back to before the multiverse was destroyed.

For instance, someone asked DT on his message wall the other day if time traveling back to when a time dimension was a nonexistent void would count, and he said it wouldn’t in and of itself, since that action could simply use the regular past/present/future of said time dimension.

The problem is that the past present future of a erased spacetime doesn’t exist anymore hence why a feat is Low 2-C, so characters going to a previous point in time in that by definition no longer exists either proves that it wasn’t a true space time ( Low 2-C) destruction feat, or that there is a higher temporal axis from which the events happening in the lower dimension can be restored.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Xenoverse trunks probably he doesn't have any good haxs

What was said above.

Even Demigra 2-C, who I think is one of the only 2-Cs is a smurf.

They are XenoVerse characters trought, not Heroes.

if counting "Xenoverse" then Trunks is the weakest, if counting Heroes only then it is Sealas probably

Hm, ok.
Thanks, i gonna cook now.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

The future of 2025.

If Ultima doesn't upgrade Marvel to tier 0 it's possible

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Apparently KH will lose its 27 layers.

This means that the matches between DBH would probably be interesting, as the two series would not have established tiers yet.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Sadly
Damn this new stardands.

Apparently KH will lose its 27 layers.

 

[Roun12]

The "potency" vs "layers" thing is definitely a bit confounding. Especially when there's characters with "infinite potency" that might not even get a single extra layer. Like, where'd all that potency go?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

The "potency" vs "layers" thing is definitely a bit confounding. Especially when there's characters with "infinite potency" that might not even get a single extra layer. Like, where'd all that potency go?

I don't know.

But we no longer treat it as manipulating fire or radiation, which are things that power matters.
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Furthermore, power counts, if you demonstrate that more power is = more layers.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Sadly
Damn this new stardands.

The good thing is that the layers of various verses are being revised, and forcing others to make blogs and so on.

So the amount of talk about how many layers x character would have in a VS decreased.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Do you know Subspace? The dimension that does not have the concepts of space and time.

Couldn't this give something to Zeno (for being able to destroy timelines) or IZ (for being able to merge with the universe, and probably merge with this dimension)?

I don't know what it could be.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Do you know Subspace? The dimension that does not have the concepts of space and time.

Couldn't this give something to Zeno (for being able to destroy timelines) or IZ (for being able to merge with the universe, and probably merge with this dimension)?

I don't know what it could be.

Yes, it would do the same thing as what happened with DBH, just the @Vietthai96 did not add to Zen'ō in its scale, although all of this comes from canon material.

 

[AxilityIsReal]

Do you know Subspace? The dimension that does not have the concepts of space and time.

Couldn't this give something to Zeno (for being able to destroy timelines) or IZ (for being able to merge with the universe, and probably merge with this dimension)?

I don't know what it could be.

Those are valid scans to argue outerversal DB. But we have 2 issues:

1. Altough I agree with them, those scans (when alone) aren't really that strong or consistent, but at the end of the day they are valid

2. Vsbw standards for outerversal are different, now they're stupid and incorrect, the older outerversal literally scales higher than the actual one, so we cannot even argue for outerversal db here because of stupid standards

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Those are valid scans to argue outerversal DB. But we have 2 issues:

1. Altough I agree with them, those scans (when alone) aren't really that strong or consistent, but at the end of the day they are valid

2. Vsbw standards for outerversal are different, now they're stupid and incorrect, the older outerversal literally scales higher than the actual one, so we cannot even argue for outerversal db here because of stupid standards

This is not for tier 1 or anything related to that, but hax, lol

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I wish DB had a basis for this, but it's better not, that's already too much

 

[Fezzih_007]

Those are valid scans to argue outerversal DB. But we have 2 issues:

1. Altough I agree with them, those scans (when alone) aren't really that strong or consistent, but at the end of the day they are valid

2. Vsbw standards for outerversal are different, now they're stupid and incorrect, the older outerversal literally scales higher than the actual one, so we cannot even argue for outerversal db here because of stupid standards

Oh, new user, love to see them.

No, this is not outerversesal even outside of Vs wiki standard lol.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

1. Altough I agree with them, those scans (when alone) aren't really that strong or consistent, but at the end of the day they are valid

These scans are valid, and are already used in DBH.

2. Vsbw standards for outerversal are different, now they're stupid and incorrect, the older outerversal literally scales higher than the actual one, so we cannot even argue for outerversal db here because of stupid standards

No one here is scaling anything for outerversal, that would be for hax.

 

[AxilityIsReal]

This is not for tier 1 or anything related to that, but hax, lol

What are you talking about mate... Tier 1 in vsbw is ass, it's way lower than the old one, so we cannot call it tier 1 but I'll just call it the original outerversal

Anyways no you can scale the cosmology to outer and Goku is able to destroy it, this is what I'm saying

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

What are you talking about mate... Tier 1 in vsbw is ass, it's way lower than the old one, so we cannot call it tier 1 but I'll just call it the original outerversal

Anyways no you can scale the cosmology to outer and Goku is able to destroy it, this is what I'm saying

???

 

[Phsccarvalho]

This is not for tier 1 or anything related to that, but hax, lol

Perhaps this is a supporting argument, since the timeline covers a dimension without the concept of time.

Is timeline conceptual?

 

[AxilityIsReal]

These scans are valid, and are already used in DBH.


No one here is scaling anything for outerversal, that would be for hax.

I understood already you guys are talking about haxxes, what I'm doing is just explaining how you can use this to scale Goku's AP, ion see the problem

 

[AxilityIsReal]

Perhaps this is a supporting argument, since the timeline covers a dimension without the concept of time.

Is timeline conceptual?

Yeah db timelines are actually "stories" or "history" itself there's many evidence for timelines being conceptuals

 

[AxilityIsReal]

These scans are valid, and are already used in DBH.


No one here is scaling anything for outerversal, that would be for hax.

If they truly were used in dbh then dbh would be way above tier 1 in this wiki

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Perhaps this is a supporting argument, since the timeline covers a dimension without the concept of time.

Is timeline conceptual?

That would be really funny, I would laugh a lot, when I see these scans about DB I think of Castelvania every time

 

[AxilityIsReal]

Oh, new user, love to see them.

No, this is not outerversesal even outside of Vs wiki standard lol.

You're wrong, this is Outerversal outside of vs wiki standards

 

[Fezzih_007]

You're wrong, this is Outerversal outside of vs wiki standards

I mean, if you missread what they actually saying, maybe.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

That would be really funny, I would laugh a lot, when I see these scans about DB I think of Castelvania every time

I'll open a topic to ask some questions.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I'll open a topic to ask some questions.

I think it would be good bro

 

[AxilityIsReal]

I mean, if you missread what they actually saying, maybe.

No, I didn't misread. Outerversal, by the original definition, is to be above the concepts of space and time, which again is what you can argue for DBS cosmology

 

[Fezzih_007]

I mean, if you missread what they actually saying, maybe.

I guess people have different meaning to what is Outerversal too, so you could probally argue based on that;

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I think it would be good bro

I did it, now I just have to wait.

But maybe Zeno can have at least non-existent erasure, like what Gremmy from Bleach has.

And Super Shenron can restore the universes, which must have this same dimension without the concepts of space and time.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I did it, now I just have to wait.

Just waiting for answers on this

But maybe Zeno can have at least non-existent erasure, like what Gremmy from Bleach has.

As did Gremmy win this?

And Super Shenron can restore the universes, which must have this same dimension without the concepts of space and time.

Thinking out loud lol

 

[Fezzih_007]

No, I didn't misread. Outerversal, by the original definition, is to be above the concepts of space and time, which again is what you can argue for DBS cosmology

So the scan above don't have any evidence of being above the concept of space and time, just for not having said concepts.

 

[StekFence]

Why would lacking somethings concept imply a superiority over its concept?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Why would lacking somethings concept imply a superiority over its concept?

People think that by lacking a concept it means superior, although that's not true.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Why would lacking somethings concept imply a superiority over its concept?

This is a argument used sometimes to prove outer, i hear;

 

[StekFence]

oh I know, but i don’t know why

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Before I remembered that void without the concept of space-time gave immeasurable speed

People thought that was great and even we here in Brazil thought the same thing

 

[Phsccarvalho]

As did Gremmy win this?

Making EE in a non-existent being.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Making EE in a non-existent being.

non-existent does it mean a being that does not exist?