Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Phsccarvalho]

non-existent does it mean a being that does not exist?

Yes, in Gremmy's case it was a being that did not exist spiritually and mentally.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Yes, in Gremmy's case it was a being that did not exist spiritually and mentally.

That makes perfect sense

 

[TiltedFN]

Next arc frieza gonna beat zeno

 

[Hasty12345]

Next arc frieza gonna beat zeno

good, I hate the jellybean

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Why would lacking somethings concept imply a superiority over its concept?

The subspace is the space in between dimensions, which means it’s above time to an insignificant degree automatically (as opposed to being vaguely outside time).

In addition, the subspace and teleportation zone exist under the same plane, and the teleportation zone was stated to be transcendent of time.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Have you ever thought Zen'ō was just Tori-bot's avatar??

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

The subspace is the space in between dimensions, which means it’s above time to an insignificant degree automatically (as opposed to being vaguely outside time).

In addition, the subspace and teleportation zone exist under the same plane, and the teleportation zone was stated to be transcendent of time.

So it seems like space is infinite, would that make us return to infinite cosmology?

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

So it seems like space is infinite, would that make us return to infinite cosmology?

It’s stated that since stuff like Kai Kai and instant transmission are outside the subspace’s power, Goku would be vaguely left to “wander in between dimensions forever.” That statement is honestly very loaded, and can be interpreted a number of ways.

1. You could wander forever and be stuck interacting with dimension after dimension (space-times in this context). That could make the Macrocosm 2-A.

2. Wandering “between dimensions” could refer to how the Sugoroku space is an area between space-times, and you could wander through it forever. In other words, infinite Sugoroku space (though I think it’s stated to be earth-sized in the Chouzenshuu, so that may be contradictory).

3. If “wandering between dimensions forever” means the dimensions are spaced apart infinitely, that could make the Macrocosm Low 1-C via the 5th axis specifically being infinite.

I was honestly thinking of doing a huge upgrade using that statement, but it’s too open-ended to be accepted for any concrete scaling.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

It’s stated that since stuff like Kai Kai and instant transmission are outside the subspace’s power, Goku would be vaguely left to “wander in between dimensions forever.” That statement is honestly very loaded, and can be interpreted a number of ways.

1. You could wander forever and be stuck interacting with dimension after dimension (space-times in this context). That could make the Macrocosm 2-A.

2. Wandering “between dimensions” could refer to how the Sugoroku space is an area between space-times, and you could wander through it forever. In other words, infinite Sugoroku space (though I think it’s stated to be earth-sized in the Chouzenshuu, so that may be contradictory).

3. If “wandering between dimensions forever” means the dimensions are spaced apart infinitely, that could make the Macrocosm Low 1-C via the 5th axis specifically being infinite.

I was honestly thinking of doing a huge upgrade using that statement, but it’s too open-ended to be accepted for any concrete scaling.

There is a manga telling the story of Trunks that says that the room of time is infinite

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

It’s stated that since stuff like Kai Kai and instant transmission are outside the subspace’s power, Goku would be vaguely left to “wander in between dimensions forever.” That statement is honestly very loaded, and can be interpreted a number of ways.

1. You could wander forever and be stuck interacting with dimension after dimension (space-times in this context). That could make the Macrocosm 2-A.

2. Wandering “between dimensions” could refer to how the Sugoroku space is an area between space-times, and you could wander through it forever. In other words, infinite Sugoroku space (though I think it’s stated to be earth-sized in the Chouzenshuu, so that may be contradictory).

3. If “wandering between dimensions forever” means the dimensions are spaced apart infinitely, that could make the Macrocosm Low 1-C via the 5th axis specifically being infinite.

I was honestly thinking of doing a huge upgrade using that statement, but it’s too open-ended to be accepted for any concrete scaling.

Time room is infinite.

Moment where it is said:

Website: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/tidbits/trunks-side-story/

The worst part is that it even makes sense that the time room is infinite, Goku and Vegeta in the manga fight with all their might in the blue SSJ and say that the room won't break with their fight

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Time room is infinite.

Moment where it is said:

Website: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/tidbits/trunks-side-story/

The worst part is that it even makes sense that the time room is infinite, Goku and Vegeta in the manga fight with all their might in the blue SSJ and say that the room won't break with their fight

This has been rejected before.

This story was not written by Toriyama, so the manga takes precedence.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Could've sworn it was Earth-sized.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

This has been rejected before.

This story was not written by Toriyama, so the manga takes precedence.

How would you explain Goku and Vegeta fighting with all their might in the time room and even mentioning that it wouldn't break

 

[Phsccarvalho]

How would you explain Goku and Vegeta fighting with all their might in the time room and even mentioning that it wouldn't break

Being a resistant dimension or simply plot.

Even if this place were infinite in size, it would still have this "problem" because this goku and vegeta would be 2-C and this dimension High 3-A/Low 2-C.

Being the size of the earth or infinite wouldn't make any difference to this "Problem".

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Being a resistant dimension or simply plot.

Even if this place were infinite in size, it would still have this "problem" because this goku and vegeta would be 2-C and this dimension High 3-A/Low 2-C.

Being the size of the earth or infinite wouldn't make any difference to this "Problem".

Exactly, there is no way a dimension the size of the earth can withstand blue at its maximum and still cannot break

I think that whole time room thing got a reboot

 

[Hasty12345]

Exactly, there is no way a dimension the size of the earth can withstand blue at its maximum and still cannot break

I think that whole time room thing got a reboot

Dimensions can have durability independent of their size.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Exactly, there is no way a dimension the size of the earth can withstand blue at its maximum and still cannot break

The same thing if it were infinite in size using this logic.

It doesn't change anything.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Dimensions can have durability independent of their size.

Hehehe, the durability has to be the same size as the dimension, brother, something like that doesn't make sense.

The same thing if it were infinite in size using this logic.

It doesn't change anything.

Infinity would be time

 

[Hasty12345]

Hehehe, the durability has to be the same size as the dimension, brother, something like that doesn't make sense.

even if the ROSaT was infinite, then Goku and Vegeta would need to be below high 3-A by your logic.

 

[Fezzih_007]

The "Hehehe" from Luffy4 are kinda creepy.

 

[TiltedFN]

It’s stated that since stuff like Kai Kai and instant transmission are outside the subspace’s power, Goku would be vaguely left to “wander in between dimensions forever.” That statement is honestly very loaded, and can be interpreted a number of ways.

1. You could wander forever and be stuck interacting with dimension after dimension (space-times in this context). That could make the Macrocosm 2-A.

2. Wandering “between dimensions” could refer to how the Sugoroku space is an area between space-times, and you could wander through it forever. In other words, infinite Sugoroku space (though I think it’s stated to be earth-sized in the Chouzenshuu, so that may be contradictory).

3. If “wandering between dimensions forever” means the dimensions are spaced apart infinitely, that could make the Macrocosm Low 1-C via the 5th axis specifically being infinite.

I was honestly thinking of doing a huge upgrade using that statement, but it’s too open-ended to be accepted for any concrete scaling.

bro..

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Infinity would be time

Time is already infinite by default, in places where time exists.

From what I've seen Ultima intends to try and remove the "significant size" thing to count as a Low 2-C structure.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

The "Hehehe" from Luffy4 are kinda creepy.

Brazilian, brother

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Time is already infinite by default, in places where time exists.

From what I've seen Ultima intends to try and remove the "significant size" thing to count as a Low 2-C structure.

I think that would be good

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

even if the ROSaT was infinite, then Goku and Vegeta would need to be below high 3-A by your logic.

MC level Goku

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Does anyone know where this guide is from?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Do you know Subspace? The dimension that does not have the concepts of space and time.

Couldn't this give something to Zeno (for being able to destroy timelines) or IZ (for being able to merge with the universe, and probably merge with this dimension)?

I don't know what it could be.

In the translation you mentioned, there are things written with interdimensional, do these mentions really amount to anything?

It is a different dimensional world that does not belong to any part of the world, and includes the "Room of Spirit and Time" in the Temple of God and the interdimensional "Sugoroku Space". The concept of time is different in the "Room of Spirit and Time," and a year here corresponds to one day in the outside world. There are no living creatures that inhabit this room.

In the "Sugoroku Space" where Goku wanders into, every action is governed by the rules of Sugoroku. 30,000 consecutive wins will allow him to escape, but if he cheats or loses, he will die. Although no one is supposed to inhabit this space, the space raccoon dogs Sue Goro and Sue Kogoro are trapped there. They cheated and the space collapsed, but Goku saved them and they escaped to the Kaioshin world

This means the "Room of Spirit and Time" and "Sugoroku Space" are inside a dimension called 【Subspace】which is devoid of the concepts of time and space

 

[RedReaper616]

How would you explain Goku and Vegeta fighting with all their might in the time room and even mentioning that it wouldn't break

I also want it to be known this isn’t consistent across mediums, anyway, as Anime Vegeta broke it by just powering up in the Black Arc.

So this claim is both inconsistent and the size scans directly contradict the Original Series, where Goku directly says it’s Earth sized.

Point being, that’s a no-go.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

No conceptual manipulation for Daishinkan

 

[Vietthai96]

the funny shit is Goku claim it Earth sized, yet we don't even know if he truly cross the entire place or it is just his guess claim

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Goku as always saying what he really knows, if only it were Piccolo or Kami Sama I would understand, but Goku never even went to the end or anything like that.

 

[Vietthai96]

No conceptual manipulation for Daishinkan

That is one thing, we not even sure if those Spanish stamp???? get accepted in the first place, so to be blunt, kinda waste our energy over this. If it is easy to grant him CM hax, i already went for it no need for all the Q&A ngl

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

That is one thing, we not even sure if those Spanish stamp???? get accepted in the first place, so to be blunt, kinda waste our energy over this. If it is easy to grant him CM hax, i already went for it no need for all the Q&A ngl

It says Toei at the bottom, I believe it's valid, since in the anime it also shows us that the void filled with nothing eternal and without space-time, in any case it doesn't go against the work

Try and never give up

 

[Kroneii1]

The subspace is the space in between dimensions, which means it’s above time to an insignificant degree automatically (as opposed to being vaguely outside time).

In addition, the subspace and teleportation zone exist under the same plane, and the teleportation zone was stated to be transcendent of time.

I saw ssjryu1 saying something similar to this and it seemed a bit over the top, but looking at it now I see sense in it.

 

[Vietthai96]

Nah, try and never give up is fun and all, but the thing we trying for should be reasonable and logical

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Nah, try and never give up is fun and all, but the thing we trying for should be reasonable and logical

Is Zeno having non-existent erasure because of subspace reasonable and logical?

 

[Vietthai96]

Is Zeno having non-existent erasure because of subspace reasonable and logical?

Yes

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Nah, try and never give up is fun and all, but the thing we trying for should be reasonable and logical

I'll never forget that you didn't put Zen'ō into it

 

[Vietthai96]

I'll never forget that you didn't put Zen'ō into it

Cause he isn't my focus at that time, and i thought you want Zeno to have Conceptual Erasure

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Cause he isn't my focus at that time, and i thought you want Zeno to have Conceptual Erasure

I didn't want conceptual Zeno, I just wanted that Gremmy erasure