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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

So Omega just now decided to bring up DBH in the layers evaluation thread, even though I believe it was agreed upon that people will readjust the layers, and that they don't want to use the 20 layers or something at the moment until they gather more evidence, or make any battles with DBH characters.
No one gave a number anyway

Although the way DBH hax layers were detailed on the profile should be reevaluated
 
i never claimed a number, i am just not sure if the logic for the layers stated in the page now stand with the now more strict standard, so i decided to bring it up, there's no harm in asking right?
 
That's not accepted on this wiki and it frustrates some supporters when it's talked about as a fact

Plus it would probably be an outlier
This feat was already accepted for Beerus on the wiki, he only lost it because slump xters were downgraded from 5d to 4d

There is no basis for saying it's an outlier, there wasn't back then, there isn't now
 
Yeah, I'm going through the stream archive and this dude doesn't even seem to understand what the upgrade is and is just retreading old arguments. Instead of making a stream to bitch about it he should go read up on the Low 1-C standards and check the CRTs that approved the upgrade. Even glancing through the video he barely even bothers checking any scans in the blog and cherrypicks what fits his views.
Whenever he tries to debunk db his main argument always revolves around "well things can be interpreted differently" and wanks the hell out of shinra by himself using flawed intepretations and bro also said vsbw mods are biased.
 
the point is that the said resistance for Hakai is not for the aplication undertale chars use, it is just resisting EE that erases the Soul, while in undertale they all just attack the soul directly with AP, so it is not comparable in the first place for it to matter
There's no such as normal AP for soul destruction separate from soul destruction hax, it's all treated as hax here, attacks that destroy the soul....is hax.

Unless you're saying that souls in that game are more physical than normal souls and are thus vulnerable to normal AP

Absurd, isn't it? Arale clashing with the creator of the work and Beerus still being ranked higher, this is so wrong.
Maybe you're confused, there are 2 author avatars; the Toribot that interacts with arale and the one with a roommate that sees everything as fiction, the one that sees everything as fiction isn't the one who tried to erase Arale, THAT'S why Dr slump characters got downgraded in the first place because it wasn't the one who saw the timelines as fiction who erased them,
 
Maybe you're confused, there are 2 author avatars; the Toribot that interacts with arale and the one with a roommate that sees everything as fiction, the one that sees everything as fiction isn't the one who tried to erase Arale, THAT'S why Dr slump characters got downgraded in the first place because it wasn't the one who saw the timelines as fiction who erased them,
There are several Tori-bot avatars, it is impossible to know which is which.
 
The one arale is being credited with resisting and matching is the 3d one, there was a CRT on it and it was shown that it's not the one that sees everything as fiction
Although I have read little about Dr slump, what never really appeared in the work was the one with a giant pen on the back, although the manga is not fully translated here in Brazil, I only read 28 chapters.
 
I think we're referring to different people

There's this guy that made a video to debunk Low 1-C Dragon Ball

Coincidentally, he speaks exclusively in italics

There is literally only one person on this site who does this, and he's the only person who disagreed with Low 1-C Ben 10
Surfbone is definitely not Georr if that’s what you’re implying, Surfbone doesn’t even think temporal dimensions grant anything because they don’t on CSAP.
 
Same dude who says hits time skip is just him entering a dimension, he completely ignores the hit rematch to make his point right.

Actually, he just ignores everything to look correct so you shouldnt bother with him.
True he called time room anime filler to lol
 
 
There's no such as normal AP for soul destruction separate from soul destruction hax, it's all treated as hax here, attacks that destroy the soul....is hax.
It is not soul deatruction, it soul attacking, they are destroying the soul, they are attacking it directly to eventually destroy it via AP

Unless you're saying that souls in that game are more physical than normal souls and are thus vulnerable to normal AP
Magic has NPI, they can directly touch and harm souls directly, it is not "normal AP" but it is still attacking directly hax compared to hakai's pure erasure

The difference between both is the same difference from you punching someone and you erasing someone, resisting one means nothing in resisting the other

Maybe you're confused, there are 2 author avatars; the Toribot that interacts with arale and the one with a roommate that sees everything as fiction, the one that sees everything as fiction isn't the one who tried to erase Arale, THAT'S why Dr slump characters got downgraded in the first place because it wasn't the one who saw the timelines as fiction who erased them,
No, the one who erased them was the one that sees it as fiction, arale never went to the real world to interact with him, hence why she was downgraded, but no, the one who erased was the one who saw it as fiction
 
It is not soul deatruction, it soul attacking, they are destroying the soul, they are attacking it directly to eventually destroy it via AP
Hakai does this too, in the ToP Toppo used a non erasure version on Frieza, which ended up exploding and warping the WoV. It can be regulated when combined with a ki blast
Magic has NPI,
As do hakai users
they can directly touch and harm souls directly, it is not "normal AP" but it is still attacking directly hax compared to hakai's pure erasure
Hakai attacks souls directly as well as the body and mind, and it can be used to attack rather than just erase as toppo showed, when combined with ki
The difference between both is the same difference from you punching someone and you erasing someone, resisting one means nothing in resisting the other
Hakai can do both as well
No, the one who erased them was the one that sees it as fiction, arale never went to the real world to interact with him, hence why she was downgraded, but no, the one who erased was the one who saw it as fiction
Nope, that's why arale was downgraded, there was no proof it was 5d (now 6d with the timeline upgrade) avatars doing the erasure, this she was downgraded to tier 2 via 3d avatars.
 
2-C post crisis superman is coming
Goku vs Superman round 2 is gonna happen
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Hakai does this too, in the ToP Toppo used a non erasure version on Frieza, which ended up exploding and warping the WoV. It can be regulated when combined with a ki blast
You said it yourself, he didn't used the erasure version, hence it didn't affected the soul as the erasure version would

As do hakai users
I said that to you saying that souls would be physical, not saying that hakai has it or not

Hakai attacks souls directly as well as the body and mind
it erases the Body and soul, it doesn't attack it directly with AP, it is just using EE on a soul level, also....where is it stated that it erases the mind as well?

, and it can be used to attack rather than just erase as toppo showed, when combined with ki
And in that case it is shown that it doesn't erase the body and soul, so i fail to see how relevant that is

Hakai can do both as well
Show me when has Haki been used to attack the soul with its raw AP rather than its EE

Nope, that's why arale was downgraded, there was no proof it was 5d (now 6d with the timeline upgrade) avatars doing the erasure, this she was downgraded to tier 2 via 3d avatars.

The one who tried to erase arale was the one in the real world who sees them as fiction
 
the question is now is it gonna be GT Goku vs Superman or Super Goku Vs Superman
Would probably be Super.

Also the main question here if Post-Crisis Superman is becoming 2-C, how many universes does he scale to? Because every universe amount is practically in its own tier.
 
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