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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
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We also need that SSG multiplier thread to end so we can apply the same method for unknown multipliers
SSG= 500*500 via outscaling SS3 vegito
SSB = 50*SSG
UIO = SSB * SSG ( working off it out scaling SSB black arc Vegito and Goku growing at least 50x before he taps into it
MUI = SSB * SSB ( scales above or around Beerus’ level which is where SSB Gogeta sits at)
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the class K feat of kid goku of course
Nullflowerblush
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The outlier?
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Funny that since multipliers don’t exist in DB it might as well be a feat performed by Saiyan Saga Goku.
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Because some people prefer talking about tiering upgrades than to fix issues of the profiles that have plagued them for years.
Also because DB is inconsistent with lifting feats.
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I believe Z has some lifting feats but idk rn.
Anyways, Kid Goku is 177807.2 kg,
Base Saiyan saga=177807.2kg
Kaiokenx4= 711228.8kg
Base post training= 711228.8kg
Kioken= 7112288kg
Post Zenkai= 7112288kg
Kaioken=142245760kg
Ssj= 355614400kg
Post HBTC (50%)= 3556144000kg
Fp= 7112288000kg
Ssj2 and 3= 71122880000kg
At his peak he would be Class G.
Anyways, Kid Goku is 177807.2 kg,
Base Saiyan saga=177807.2kg
Kaiokenx4= 711228.8kg
Base post training= 711228.8kg
Kioken= 7112288kg
Post Zenkai= 7112288kg
Kaioken=142245760kg
Ssj= 355614400kg
Post HBTC (50%)= 3556144000kg
Fp= 7112288000kg
Ssj2 and 3= 71122880000kg
At his peak he would be Class G.
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A lot of work to be solved, and many profiles to review
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I wonder what Toei would look like
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Sdbh ultra god mission 9
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It’d be wild cuz they scale Class P from deadzone
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How the hell did base vegeta survive an attack from someone who could endure Vegitos FK? Dbh logic
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For DBS to Goku surpass Vegito he needs a new form and two arcs worth power up’s and trainingHow the hell did base vegeta survive an attack from someone who could endure Vegitos FK? Dbh logic
DBH characters do it every other episode
Fezzih_007
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Fezzih_007
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Denigra hold back.How the hell did base vegeta survive an attack from someone who could endure Vegitos FK? Dbh logic
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Why the hell is he holding back when he’s trying to kill them
blud is holding back several layers of infinity for no reason
Fezzih_007
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Well, he just got hit by a final Kamehameha in the face, you bê surprised How much that hurts.Why the hell is he holding back when he’s trying to kill them
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Which he ate with no problem, the way durability works if the attack doesnt cause significantly damaging surface damage then it should still be relative to it’s prime state as it could endure it. Otherwise he would have been vaporized. Regardless, DBH logic
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Infinite Zamasu should just straight up have immeasurable LS but I don't think it would scale to anyone else because it's only because he is a 4 dimensional being.
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The standards changed. Having a 4-D body isn't enough for immeasurable LS
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Except Zamasu qualifies for qualitative superiority because he merged with time as well.
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Honestly Zamasu should have it from dherr size eh?
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i don't really see why, he would "weight" that much sure, but he would not need to sustain his own weight since he is not even corporeal at that point
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You didn't understand what I said. Having a body made of space-time is not enough qualification for immeasurable LS
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Why not? It's significant enough in size that he had a tier 2 rating because of it.
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VSBW moment
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Unknown | Unknown, eventually Immeasurable (Would eventually become the entire universe and its space-time)
I think this sounds good?
I think this sounds good?
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He already was the entire universe's space-time
The eventual part was him leaking into the present timeline
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I'm basing it off of this rating. Nigh-Omnipresent, would eventually become Omnipresent (Was becoming one with the universe and its space-time)
Nullflowerblush
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i'm ngl i think that's an outlier too
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Wait why? Toeiverse characters are usually stronger than manga counterparts
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I'm a little curious about a certain topic, which is that Ki serves as a multiplier over the user's own body. We know that Saiyans are much stronger than Humans at a baseline, seeing as Goku's body could take bullets and lift small vehicles even as a small child w/o any ability to wield Ki for example but we do see that bullets still harm him. Comparatively, Freeza (who is a mutant lifeform of an unknown species, sort of an apex predator) was seemingly totally out of Ki after wasting it on Goku yet tanked Namek's explosion and survived for days in space afterwards.
Basically what I'm thinking is on implications for VS debates where Ki is disabled by another character somehow. Maybe a sort of baseline key that says "Hey a Saiyan without Ki scales to these stats" and then we point to Freeza, Cell, etc and say "Hey these characters should scale to Planet-level durability even without Ki"
Not sure how useful that would actually be but I figured it's good food for thought.
Basically what I'm thinking is on implications for VS debates where Ki is disabled by another character somehow. Maybe a sort of baseline key that says "Hey a Saiyan without Ki scales to these stats" and then we point to Freeza, Cell, etc and say "Hey these characters should scale to Planet-level durability even without Ki"
Not sure how useful that would actually be but I figured it's good food for thought.
Nullflowerblush
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Because there are no other Class P feats, at least as far as we know. Simple as that.
Like with the Class K feat from the original manga.
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that doesn’t necessarily make it an outlier unless it’s consistently contradicted and doesn’t make sense in the story
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What doesn’t make sense is characters several levels of infinity stronger than normal people are only class K.
Nullflowerblush
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Goku struggled against lesser forces (Class K) during the Namek Saga.
As for the original manga, there are plenty (and I mean "plenty") of contradicting statements and a lack of supporting feats. Characters well into the Saiyan Saga struggle with double-digit tons, and, if the Super Exciting Guide is to be considered, Goku needed Super Saiyan to handle 400 tons.
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Wasnt that calculated at Class Z?
Could be argued that 400 tons thing was an outlier
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Can u send manga contradictions?
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I don’t think the Namek spaceship feat works anyways, it’s more of a speed feat as the ship was on a direct collision course towards the star due to a malfunction so Goku was really pushing against the momentum of his own ship going at MFTL+ speeds.
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