Immeasurable Lifting Strength Dragon Ball

[BestMGQScalerEver]

This has been bugging me for a while since Infinite Zamasu not having Immeasurable Lifting Strength seems sorta arbitrary. This should not scale to anyone else.

The qualifications for Immeasurable LS is this.

Infinite strength in relation to 3-dimensional entities, equated to higher-order beings on greater planes of existence and/or higher-dimensional beings when portrayed as qualitatively superior.

Infinite Zamasu already shows qualities of qualitative superiority due to his merging with time itself with a structure that already qualifies for tier 2 as time gives an uncountably infinite difference when in conjunction with a universal sized structure. So yes Infinite Zamasu fits the criteria of "higher-dimensional beings when portrayed as qualitatively superior".

That is already accepted on the wiki so I don't really have to debate much about it.

Abstract Existence (Type 1; By casting aside his divine vessel, he became his very will/thoughts of justice and merged with the fabric of the universe)

Reality Warping, Danmaku, Fusionism & Multilocation (He was fusing with the fabric of space-time and becoming one with the universe before invading other timelines with his presence)

Higher-Dimensional Existence (He became one with the universe itself)

Low Multiverse level (As stated by both Gowasu and Beerus, Zamasu, in this state, was becoming one with the universe and overriding its law and order. Additionally, he was even shown to be present in the main timeline and was affecting the present to a certain degree, implying he was actually affecting space-time as well. The Universe he was becoming one with being comprised of 2 universal space time continuums)

So yes it's accepted that he also became or was becoming time itself which in turn would have to grant him immeasurable lifting strength as it's his very existence as a higher dimensional entity who merged or was merging with all of space-time of a sufficiently sized universe/structure which should also fit the "qualitative superiority" criteria.

I have 2 proposed ratings that I will let staff decide which is best.

Unknown | Unknown, eventually Immeasurable (Would eventually become the entire universe and its space-time)

Unknown | Immeasurable (Was becoming the entire universe and its space-time)

 

[Da3ggman]

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I mean previous reasons to keep it unknown just seemed rather arbitrary since the definition of immeasurable LS qualifies this. They don't need to lift anything just be a higher dimensional entity who has nature of qualitative superiority.

 

[AguilaR202]

Agree but no scaling as it is entirely reliant on the 4-D existence of Zamasu.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I agree but I feel like there’s gonna be some bs excuse

 

[TiltedFN]

i agree, but this shouldn't scale to anyone else.

 

[omegabronic]

this proves that zamasu would have become that much heavy sure, but why would it scale to his LS? he was litterally just ideas of justice at that point, he had no body to have to sustain his "weight"

 

[TiltedFN]

this proves that zamasu would have become that much heavy sure, but why would it scale to his LS? he was litterally just ideas of justice at that point, he had no body to have to sustain his "weight"

he was ideas of justice, but the universe was his container, so he would still scale.

 

[omegabronic]

he was ideas of justice, but the universe was his container, so he would still scale.

again, he still had no "body" for him to have to sustain his own "weight", why are we assuming that he is doing so?

 

[TiltedFN]

again, he still had no "body" for him to have to sustain his own "weight", why are we assuming that he is doing so?

man what, he was still able to be interacted with, because he fused with the universe, thats why he could still fire ki blast and things like that, and still be interacted with.

 

[Gasper]

That just looks like infinite not immeasurable lifting strength to me.

 

[omegabronic]

man what, he was still able to be interacted with, because he fused with the universe, thats why he could still fire ki blast and things like that, and still be interacted with.

this changes the fact that he didn't had a body or a form to have to sustain his own weight how exactly?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

this proves that zamasu would have become that much heavy sure, but why would it scale to his LS? he was litterally just ideas of justice at that point, he had no body to have to sustain his "weight"

Because he qualifies for "Qualitatively superior higher dimensional being"

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Oh shoot I didn’t even realize that

on lifting strength page:

Infinite strength in relation to 3-dimensional entities, equated to higher-order beings on greater planes of existence and/or higher-dimensional beings when portrayed as qualitatively superior.

Zamasu literally qualifies via our standards lol can’t believe it took this long

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

So why wouldn’t those who upscale IZ scale even if it’s due to IZ being qualitative superior since those who upscaled IZ were considered Low 2-C back then too even though IZ gets it via qualitative superiority

 

[TiltedFN]

So why wouldn’t those who upscale IZ scale even if it’s due to IZ being qualitative superior since those who upscaled IZ were considered Low 2-C back then too even though IZ gets it via qualitative superiority

That doesn't sound right, and IZ only would have this tier due to HDE.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

That doesn't sound right, and IZ only would have this tier due to HDE.

I know he’s qualitative superior to 3D and is thus 4D characters back then also had Low 2-C for upscaling IZ even though IZ was only Low 2-C via qualitative superiority so why would it change now?

 

[TiltedFN]

I know he’s qualitative superior to 3D and is thus 4D characters back then also had Low 2-C for upscaling IZ even though IZ was only Low 2-C via qualitative superiority so why would it change now?

Yeah upscaling power wise, but dimensionality wise or existence.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Yeah upscaling power wise, but dimensionality wise or existence.

I don’t see how this addresses anything I said

 

[TiltedFN]

I don’t see how this addresses anything I said

well you said zamasu was only qualitatively superior for merging with the universe, hence low 2-C, so clearly it took power for that. That is why other characters upscale.

 

[omegabronic]

That doesn't sound right, and IZ only would have this tier due to HDE.

This, zamasu is due to HDE, not because of his ki, so no one would scale above him in this regard, the only reason jiren does is because of statements of powet, not because of his ki

 

[omegabronic]

Because he qualifies for "Qualitatively superior higher dimensional being"

Ok but so what? He doesn't even have a body to he able to "lift" so how could we give LS to something that can't lift and that is not sustaining its own weight due to not having a body to be sustained in the first place?

 

[CloverDragon03]

By our standards, word for word, Infinite Zamasu should 100% have Immeasurable lifting strength

Easy agree

 

[speedster352]

I agree with the op

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

well you said zamasu was only qualitatively superior for merging with the universe, hence low 2-C, so clearly it took power for that. That is why other characters upscale.

Same would apply for this

Ok but so what? He doesn't even have a body to he able to "lift" so how could we give LS to something that can't lift and that is not sustaining its own weight due to not having a body to be sustained in the first place?

Infinite strength in relation to 3-dimensional entities, equated to higher-order beings on greater planes of existence and/or higher-dimensional beings when portrayed as qualitatively superior.

Change our standards if you wanna disagree being qualitative superior In size qualifies for immeasurable

By our standards, word for word, Infinite Zamasu should 100% have Immeasurable lifting strength

Easy agree

exactly

 

[Stryker861]

Yea pretty blatant I agree

 

[omegabronic]

Same would apply for this

Infinite strength in relation to 3-dimensional entities, equated to higher-order beings on greater planes of existence and/or higher-dimensional beings when portrayed as qualitatively superior.

Change our standards if you wanna disagree being qualitative superior In size qualifies for immeasurable

Zamasu doesn't fit this since he never lifted anything of this weight, he would "weight" this much sure, but he doesn't have a feat of lifting his own weight, due to him being ethereal and all, he really doesn't need to if you want to argue that

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Zamasu doesn't fit this since he never lifted anything of this weight, he would "weight" this much sure, but he doesn't have a feat of lifting his own weight, due to him being ethereal and all, he really doesn't need to if you want to argue that

He qualifies he’s a HDB who’s portrayed as qualitative superior that’s our standards bro

 

[omegabronic]

He qualifies he’s a HDB who’s portrayed as qualitative superior that’s our standards bro

Which means that he is that heavy, has he shown to be able ro lift his own weight?

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Which means that he is that heavy, has he shown to be able ro lift his own weight?

Infinite strength in relation to 3-dimensional entities, equated to higher-order beings on greater planes of existence and/or higher-dimensional beings when portrayed as qualitatively superior.

equated to higher order beings or higher dimensional beings portrayed as qualitative superior that simple

 

[CloverDragon03]

@omegabronic You're creating requirements not listed in our standards. This reasoning you're giving isn't necessary to give Infinite Zamasu an Immeasurable rating

 

[omegabronic]

@omegabronic You're creating requirements not listed in our standards. This reasoning you're giving isn't necessary to give Infinite Zamasu an Immeasurable rating

I honestly can't see how i am, i am merely explaining what the LS chart is saying and why it doesn't apply to zamasu

Infinite strength in relation to 3-dimensional entities, equated to higher-order beings on greater planes of existence and/or higher-dimensional beings when portrayed as qualitatively superior.

equated to higher order beings or higher dimensional beings portrayed as qualitative superior that simple

The chart is listing the weight of such things, it is not saying that they would be that strong automatically, zamasu is made of ideas, he has nothing to colapse to for the argument of his sustaining his own weight to be made, so unless he lifts something as heavy as himself, you woulf only be proving that he weights this much, since that is what the chart is saying. That being like that weight this much

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I honestly can't see how i am, i am merely explaining what the LS chart is saying and why it doesn't apply to zamasu


The chart is listing the weight of such things, it is not saying that they would be that strong automatically, zamasu is made of ideas, he has nothing to colapse to for the argument of his sustaining his own weight to be made, so unless he lifts something as heavy as himself, you woulf only be proving that he weights this much, since that is what the chart is saying. That being like that weight this much

My guy it is saying exactly what you’re saying its not saying equated means equivalent its equivalent to higher order beings from greater planes of existences and/or higher dimensional beings who are portrayed as qualitative superior the bolded part is why Zamasu qualifies

 

[CloverDragon03]

I honestly can't see how i am, i am merely explaining what the LS chart is saying and why it doesn't apply to zamasu

Multiple people have given the description, verbatim, for Immeasurable LS. Infinite Zamasu qualifies

 

[omegabronic]

Zamasu moved himself while fusing, so he did sustain his own weight, therefore i agree with a possible rating based on this, i am however agains using the fact that he is higjer dimensional as the only justificative

 

[omegabronic]

Multiple people have given the description, verbatim, for Immeasurable LS. Infinite Zamasu qualifies

The chart shown is only talking about the weight of things, and gives HDE beings as an example of things that weight this much, the argument should be him sustain8ng himself, not him merely being HDE

 

[CloverDragon03]

The chart shown is only talking about the weight of things, and gives HDE beings as an example of things that weight this much, the argument should be him sustain8ng himself, not him merely being HDE

Look at any character with HDE and you'll see Immeasurable lifting strength, often without justification

HDE directly correlates with this, as your existence itself is immeasurable within the constraints of a 3-D realm

 

[omegabronic]

Look at any character with HDE and you'll see Immeasurable lifting strength, often without justification

HDE directly correlates with this, as your existence itself is immeasurable within the constraints of a 3-D realm

I have saw some without it

 

[CloverDragon03]

Regardless, Zamasu himself is a 4-D construct at this point. He is of a mass that 3-D terms cannot measure as a result. When you get into dimensionality stuff, that's enough for Immeasurable LS

Doesn't matter if he "didn't lift that much," he is that much

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I have saw some without it

I’m kinda interested now who?

Regardless, Zamasu himself is a 4-D construct at this point. He is of a mass that 3-D terms cannot measure as a result. When you get into dimensionality stuff, that's enough for Immeasurable LS

Doesn't matter if he "didn't lift that much," he is that much

And the standards say that equating as a higher dimensional being who’s qualitatively superior works too