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We know the timelines in DBS don’t operate by the normal rules of causality, that being changing the past or future doesn’t change the future, or effect the past. Nothing changes, this has been said in DBZ and DBS, yet Beerus using the hakai is said to be able to have erased Zamasu from every existing timeline. So what ability is this?
trow for it and see if it lands i guess
"Beerus does state it affects every version in every timeline besides Time ring users"
that is for strength and not ki i think, there is no in canon explanation of "more ki = resist hax" vados states that it is because of jiren's power, as in, a jiren specific thing, she was shocked that this was even possible iirc
he really is cooler
SSBKKx10 Goku also negated Hit's weaker time skips, so this is probably by just being strong. Being strong in DB usually also correlates with having a lot of Ki.
Goku black states he only survived due to the time ring, it’s on the profiles.
that is being added as Reactive Evilution in another thread instead of being by power tho, altho if it was purely by power then that is an immeasurable speed feat
yeah i know that, but when does Beerus said that it will affect every zamasu in everytimeline there is?
Hm it’s hard digging for scans but this explanation is the best I can find which explains that him killing Zamasu in the present will also kill the future timeline one but it’s later explained Zamasu wasn’t affected due to time ring which I can’t find a scan of either it’s hard to find scans
Goku Black had the Time Ring, and Goku Black and Present Zamasu are one and the same, separated by diverging pathways of the original timeline by Future Trunks's interference.
I mean yeah? I don’t see why it changes anything that it’s MWI branching timelines but the point is that Hakai affecting one version kills the other version at a different point in time as well unless they have the time ring
I think thats wrong ngl, Trunks mention how timelines works, there is a timeline lets say goku die from a heart virus vs a other timeline where he doesn't die. I think killing someone from a x timeline wouldn't really affect a y timeline. But DBS recton it so....
The way I see it it only affects future branching versions of the character, that’s why versions who had their timeline divergence earlier than Beerus’ use of Hakai ( future Zamasu) are unaffected.
It’s what Hakai does it’s a speciality of Hakai it doesn’t contradict the cosmologyI think thats wrong ngl, Trunks mention how timelines works, there is a timeline lets say goku die from a heart virus vs a other timeline where he doesn't die. I think killing someone from a x timeline wouldn't really affect a y timeline. But DBS recton it so....
Goku Black isn’t the Zamasu of the present timeline if but he’s from another parallel world or timeline
that is just normal cause and effect tho
beerus does not give credit to the hakai for that, but to the fact that it was a god kiiling another god
no, goku black is the zamasu from the pressent timeline, that much is clearly said in the black saga
beerus doesn't say anything like that at all, i don't know where you are getting "every timeline" from
Broly never trained with anyone else except for Paragus whose only Planet level. Broly couldn't instantly kill a low-tier Frieza force soldier before fighting Goku and Vegeta and evolved into a multiversal-busting maniac. Frieza's potential would be floor-mopping soap compared to Broly's
How is that normal C&E? Destroying someone from one timeline and then another person from someone who isn’t from that timeline isn’t Cause and Effect because whatever happens in one timeline doesn’t affect another it just branches off
That’d make it limited at best if it only happens for Gods though I feel like there’s another statement but I’m not gonna do this back and forth so ima just wait until I find the scan again
black is from the same timeline as beerus, destroying his past self will logically destroy his future self, that is just how cause and effect works
limited what exactly?
the main timeline, present timeline is the term used to refer to it since trunks' timeline is the "future" timeline
yeah, and zamasu is black's past self
Im confused here can we speak on discord? I can’t tell if you’re calling the timeline we know as “the main timeline” the present timeline or not
Someone should have locked both Whis and Broly inside of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for one year with them fighting non-stop for one year straight. I wonder why no one has thought about this?Frieza went from Namek Saga level to SSB Goku level with 4 months of training while Broly unlocked 3 transformations and surpassed MUI just by fighting Goku and Vegeta for 2 hours alone
i am calling the main timeline present timeline yes
Why they would do that?
It reminds me of the scenario between Retsu and Kenpachi from Bleach, where Retsu "killed" Kenpachi again and again during their fight until Kenpachi could kill her, similarly Whis would do the same thing to Broly until Broly can kill Whis.
Man's gonna slaughter Zeno in a matter of a year
Whis is a garbage teacher who has done nothing for Goku or Vegeta in the entirety of Super and is endlessly mogged by Roshi, Beerus and Merus. If Broly trained under Whis he'd come out of it with nothing but an arbitrary power increase and some vague words of advice that aren't elaborated on until like six arcs later when a completely different person actually bothers to teach it.
What about Whis continue on killing and healing Broly until Broly becomes strong enough to kill Whis similarly to Retsu and Kenpachi scenario?
I don't think Broly has shown a cap in his Zenkai boost since he is a Legendary Saiyan, but at least we will have a contingency plan to Beerus's threats.
I’d have to disagree, the entirety of Super wouldn’t even exist without Whis tbh
Been saying Whis is a fraud, cook
