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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

godofice said:
Yeah that part got accepted so every character scaling above Super Buu and Gotenks will have that listed on their profile since it’s explained that they could do that due to their power
And that’s a shit ton of characters so it’ll take a while for it to all get in but later I’ll apply it to profiles that are already open
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Alright I'll wait for that
 
TimmyTurnero said:
Plus if this is the case Buuhan should only be around 2x Gotenks who base Vegeta could handle, which would make fusion with patara completely contradictory no?
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The math means Buuhan is over four times as strong

As for your second point, Post-Vegito Division is a bitch, and the Inside Buu section isn't valid anyway for how contradictory it is
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
The math means Buuhan is over four times as strong
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SuperBuu=Gotenks Ssj3<~ Gohan<Buutenks(2xSBuu)
This means the difference between SBuu and Gohan is less than 2x.
Buu is a 1 and gotenks is a 1.
1+1=2 but and gohan would fit a 1.5.
1+1.5=2.5.
If base Vegeta could handle ssj3 gotenks then them in Ssj would stomp both Buuhand and Vegito. This is definitely not what’s portrayed.
Sir_Marvulous said:
As for your second point, Post-Vegito Division is a bitch, and the Inside Buu section isn't valid anyway for how contradictory it is
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Have no idea what you’re saying here.
And why wouldn’t Fat Buu scale since we are treating the absorption as X+X?
 
The section that takes place inside Buu is likely to get bunked because of contradictory the scaling is (Goku and Vegeta overpowering Gohan and Gotenks but getting toyed with by Super Buu) so its not a usable example for what you're trying to convey. Also it was Super Saiyan Vegeta that fought Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
The section that takes place inside Buu is likely to get bunked because of contradictory the scaling is (Goku and Vegeta overpowering Gohan and Gotenks but getting toyed with by Super Buu) so its not a usable example for what you're trying to convey.
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Outside of that there’s no way for this scaling to work without Fat Buu scaling. This still brings up many questions and contradictions.
Why would we assert which is more reasonable than the other? Goku beats someone who is shown stronger than SB but then struggles against SB? To me it sounds like the statement is just wrong
Sir_Marvulous said:
Also it was Super Saiyan Vegeta that fought Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks
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Atp idk what im talking about, ill have to rewatch the episodes.
 
Ok, kinda caught up.
Base Vegeta tanks an attack from Ssj3tenks and base Goku can keep up with Gohan. All of them are relative in base apparently, Ssj Goku is visibly tired and then Gohan matches his Kamehameha.
Still again these are seemingly contradictions.
Their durability don’t seem to be the same, they act as if they’re invulnerable to actual damage but have no real durability.

And for losing to Superbuu that’s a hell no, when they got serious they curb stomped him and only started losing when they got fatigued.
 
Are the space-time pocket dimension destruction feats durability negation? Usually punching through space-time like that is classified as space-time durability negation
 
SwordLegendz01 said:
Why is there resistance to spatial manipulation here?
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Because Power of Destruction can warp space. If you resist it, you can resist the warping of space
SwordLegendz01 said:
Also isn't the thread finished yet? I'm afraid it will be controversial.
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48 hours had passed and there instances staff agreement on everything except the stuff about Zeno. That reminds me, the other thing has yet to be applied
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Because Power of Destruction can warp space. If you resist it, you can resist the warping of space
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But, is the thread's original purpose going to add that? Previously it only accepted all three except that, which I'm afraid just added another capability that wasn't proposed/approved. And yes, before there was fiction that experienced that.
Sir_Marvulous said:
48 hours had passed and there instances staff agreement on everything except the stuff about Zeno. That reminds me, the other thing has yet to be applied
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The OP said something here.
 
SwordLegendz01 said:
But, is the thread's original purpose going to add that? Previously it only accepted all three except that, which I'm afraid just added another capability that wasn't proposed/approved. And yes, before there was fiction that experienced that.
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It was already in the Power of Destruction's section of abilities

Just not the resistances for whatever reason
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Updated again because an exhausted SSB Post-UIO1 Goku was comparable to SS1 Kefla who was comparable to the Universe 7 Spirit Bomb

SSG Goku: 196 quadrillion c
Post-Absorption SS: 9.8 quintillion c
Post-Zenkai Base Goku: >>> 19.6 quintillion c
Post-BoG SS Goku: >>> 980 quintillion c
Super Saiyan Blue Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>> 49 sextillion c
Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.45 septillion c
Post-HBT Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.45 septillion c
Post-Limits Broken Super Saiyan Blue Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.9 septillion c
Early ToP Super Saiyan God Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.9 septillion c
Early ToP Super Saiyan Blue Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 245 septillion c
Early ToP SSBKKx20: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.9 octillion c
Super Saiyan Blue Post-First Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.9 octillion c
SSSBKKx20 Post-First Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 98 octillion c
First and Second Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 98 octillion c
Super Saiyan Blue Post-Second Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 98 octillion c
SSSBKKx20 Post-Second Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.96 nonillion c
Super Saiyan Gogeta: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.9 nonillion c
Beerus, Full Power Super Saiyan Broly, Gogeta Blue, and Third Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 245 nonillion c
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Didn't ssj1 Kefla oneshot ssbkk*20 Goku?
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
It was already in the Power of Destruction's section of abilities

Just not the resistances for whatever reason
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If so, does that mean it will affect changes to previous other profiles? And wouldn't it be better to wait for the OP to do it? Or has @godofice let us do it? Given that it also seems to need a bit of recent input so far from Planck if I'm not mistaken.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Are the space-time pocket dimension destruction feats durability negation? Usually punching through space-time like that is classified as space-time durability negation
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Sir_Marvulous said:
I was asking about Jiren punching through space-time by breaking Hit's pocket dimension, not non-universal space-time destruction feats in general

I'm fairly certain that feat qualifies as space-time durability negation
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SwordLegendz01 said:
GT : https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-gt-god-tier-upgrade-the-big-and-simple-one.150032/
Super : https://vsbattles.com/threads/dbs-2-c-universe-accepted.151819/

If I am not mistaken, it has been agreed they share the same world.
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Oh wow...this was...smooth?like i was expecting to see a civil war in these threads.



Also,Is ssjb vegito vs ssj4 gogeta a good match for a thread?They scale to the same amount of universes but gogeta does have a higher scaling chain compared to vegito
 
Myguy said:
Oh wow...this was...smooth?like i was expecting to see a civil war in these threads.



Also,Is ssjb vegito vs ssj4 gogeta a good match for a thread?They scale to the same amount of universes but gogeta does have a higher scaling chain compared to vegito
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You said it yourself. Significantly higher scaling chain. Means mismatch
 
Tyranno223 said:
She one shot SSBKK who was exhausted and more or less unable to take a blow at that point.

Earlier in the fight SSB could trade blows with SSJ Kefla, but he needed Kaioken to make blows that really hurt.
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And then she got serious and took him out with one kick, Goku being unable to take a blow is a myth, unless you're saying he went from "trading blows" to all of a sudden losing all power in basically seconds, he had literally just fired an attack and his aura was fully around him before she blitzed and KOd him. He was exhausted sure, he wasnt helpless,
 
Ss3micah said:
Interesting Food for Thought

I find it very Interesting that Baldur from God War is pretty much the exact same Zamasu in that both of them literally cannot feel any sensation of pain nor damage, yet the former gets Invulnerability and the Latter gets Pain Inhibition

Ironically the Invulnerability Page says this:
Invulnerability is the power to be immune to conventional harm.

Like, how exactly can Zamasu be conventionally harmed?
Because he can be punch and kicked?
Baldur is literally the same case lolol
For anyone who has played GoW4, you all know that Baldur can punch, kicked, stabbed and bleed all the way to Kingdom Come
The mechanics of his Invulnerability is that he simply can't feel pain nor any sensations of damage exactly like Zamasu

And the only reason Zamasu would not have gotten Invulnerability even thou it works the exact same way as Baldur's?
Simply because he's a Dragon Ball character and Invulnerability does not look good on Dragon Ball characters profile lolol

So of course
We work our way around the problem by having Pain Inhibition PLUS Godly levels of Regen
And Poof, Pseudo Invulnerability
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But Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats physical or magical.
 
Jaakor48 said:
And then she got serious and took him out with one kick, Goku being unable to take a blow is a myth, unless you're saying he went from "trading blows" to all of a sudden losing all power in basically seconds, he had literally just fired an attack and his aura was fully around him before she blitzed and KOd him. He was exhausted sure, he wasnt helpless,
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It wasn't a matter of being serious, she simply outmaneuvered him. She even admitted his blows in SSBKK were heavy enough to potentially take her out.

Him being exhausted was very clearly part of why he got knocked out so easily. The commentary from the stands emphasized he didn't have enough energy to use Blue for long, let alone Blue Kaioken.
 
I think we need to talk about Goku and Vegeta when it comes to thee fake Ultimaate Gohan/SSJ3 Gotenks

I think that’s just plain PIS
 
One more time for good measure. A recovered Trunks damaged Giant Grotesque Zamasu even before he used the Spirit Bomb. Post-FT Saga Saiyans scaling above Vegito Blue is fairly reasonable considering Kefla in SS2 is stronger than UIO1 Goku and can one-shot UIO2 Goku with her final attack. Also Gogeta can easily deflect Super Saiyan Broly's weaker ki blasts, which can completely no-sell a Galick Kamehameha from Goku and Vegeta. And tbh, Super Saiyan Gogeta should be stronger than Super Saiyan Broly. He shrugged off every successfully landed strike from him, and all of his successfully landed strikes left Broly reeling. Hell, he even blitzed Broly. As a Super Saiyan, Gogeta exerted himself less than he did against FPSS Broly as a Super Saiyan Blue This means that the Saiyan Duo's fusions' base forms should be twice as strong as them in Super Saiyan Blue

SSG Goku: 196 quadrillion c
Post-Absorption SS: 9.8 quintillion c
Post-Zenkai Base Goku: >>> 19.6 quintillion c
Post-BoG SS Goku: >>> 980 quintillion c
Super Saiyan Blue Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>> 49 sextillion c
Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.45 septillion c
Post-HBT Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.45 septillion c
Post-Limits Broken Super Saiyan Blue Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.9 septillion c
Base Vegito: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.8 septillion c
Super Saiyan Blue Vegito: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24.5 octillion c
Pre-Spirit Bomb Super Saiyan Rage Trunks: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24.5 octillion c
Early ToP Super Saiyan God Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24.5 octillion c
Early ToP Super Saiyan Blue Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.225 nonillion c
Early ToP SSBKKx20: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24.5 nonillion c
Super Saiyan Blue Post-First Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24.5 nonillion c
SSSBKKx20 Post-First Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 490 nonillion c
First and Second Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 490 nonillion c
Super Saiyan Blue Post-Second Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 490 nonillion c
Base Gogeta: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 980 nonillion c
SSSBKKx20 Post-Second Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.8 decillion c
Super Saiyan Broly: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24.5 decillion c
Super Saiyan Gogeta: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 49 decillion c
Beerus, Full Power Super Saiyan Broly, Gogeta Blue, and Third Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.45 undecillion c
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
One more time for good measure. A recovered Trunks damaged Giant Grotesque Zamasu even before he used the Spirit Bomb. Post-FT Saga Saiyans scaling above Vegito Blue is fairly reasonable considering Kefla in SS2 is stronger than UIO1 Goku and can one-shot UIO2 Goku with her final attack. Also Gogeta can easily deflect Super Saiyan Broly's weaker ki blasts, which can completely no-sell a Galick Kamehameha from Goku and Vegeta. And tbh, Super Saiyan Gogeta should be stronger than Super Saiyan Broly. He shrugged off every successfully landed strike from him, and all of his successfully landed strikes left Broly reeling. Hell, he even blitzed Broly. As a Super Saiyan, Gogeta exerted himself less than he did against FPSS Broly as a Super Saiyan Blue This means that the Saiyan Duo's fusions' base forms should be twice as strong as them in Super Saiyan Blue

SSG Goku: 196 quadrillion c
Post-Absorption SS: 9.8 quintillion c
Post-Zenkai Base Goku: >>> 19.6 quintillion c
Post-BoG SS Goku: >>> 980 quintillion c
Super Saiyan Blue Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>> 49 sextillion c
Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.45 septillion c
Post-HBT Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.45 septillion c
Post-Limits Broken Super Saiyan Blue Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.9 septillion c
Base Vegito: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.8 septillion c
Super Saiyan Blue Vegito: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24.5 octillion c
Pre-Spirit Bomb Super Saiyan Rage Trunks: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24.5 octillion c
Early ToP Super Saiyan God Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24.5 octillion c
Early ToP Super Saiyan Blue Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.225 nonillion c
Early ToP SSBKKx20: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24.5 nonillion c
Super Saiyan Blue Post-First Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24.5 nonillion c
SSSBKKx20 Post-First Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 490 nonillion c
First and Second Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 490 nonillion c
Super Saiyan Blue Post-Second Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 490 nonillion c
Base Gogeta: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 980 nonillion c
SSSBKKx20 Post-Second Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.8 decillion c
Super Saiyan Broly: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 24.5 decillion c
Super Saiyan Gogeta: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 49 decillion c
Beerus, Full Power Super Saiyan Broly, Gogeta Blue, and Third Ultra Instinct Omen Goku: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.45 undecillion c
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