No, it's MORE impressive. There are multiple scans that state Broly's power actually matched Gogeta Blue and he lost because of his rage. It's a direct lack of control over his emotions that prevents his full potential from being used. And that's also the entire point of his training, to control his power instead of having it run wild.
That kind of a statement is iffy considering Gogeta overpowered Broly in direct clashes on multiple occasions, not to mention how anger works for power in Dragon Ball. Admittedly, they are still close enough in power that Gogeta had to dodge attacks.
No. Toriyama has explained how Ki works: "In battle, the most important thing is the size of your ki, and your control over it. Ki as a concept of course includes such spiritual powers as energy [genki], courage [yūki], and right-mindedness [shōki]. No matter how much you train, there are limits to physical strength, and the only way to overcome that is through ki. I think Goku was able to approach the mightiest warriors in the universe through strengthening his ki."
That statement came from Saikyo Jump during the Granolah Saga and was written from Broly's PoV to discuss his future in the manga. It even directly references his training in this chapter over a year beforehand which indicates it is faithful to the manga's interpretation of him. Gogeta dodging Broly's blows is a mixture of Gogeta's superior skill and Broly losing control of his own power.
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I feel like base broly should be stronger than blue goku after fighting Gogeta due to multipliers but thats just me
With the Wrath State and Super Saiyan multipliers combined, 500 times
It could be just 50x with added benefit of massive PL spikes, manga kale has this form too but no ikari power since U6 saiyans dont even have access to Great Ape.
With the current accepted multipliers and scaling, its vastly above 50 times his previous form via scaling to Gogeta Blue
Its 500x base because its multiplied from Ikari which is 10x base
Yes, via incap.Can kid Goku beat this version of GER ?
Why can't it?
I just realized the mangas stronger than the anime now because manga starts at 2-C in bog and goku absorbed SSJG’s power into his base and Vegeta is equal to that and there’s been more opportunity for scaling chains
Bunked as soon as you used inverse-cube law and space-time in the same sentence
I coined the term inverse-cube law to talk about space-times, gotcha there my guy.Bunked as soon as you used inverse-cube law and space-time in the same sentence
The SS2 multiplier doesn't come from any valid source
it does it comes from many guides even the super exciting guide iirc which Ssj 50x is from and one of the reasons it’s accelted
Super Saiyan being a 50 times multiplier comes from the Daizenshuu. There's no officially stated multiplier for SS2 and SS3
That's only used for the difference between SS2 Gohan and SPC
Ik it’s just stated in guides that it’s 2x Ssj and ssj3 is 4x ssj2 but yeah daizenshuu doesn’t say it the only reason we don’t accept ssj2 as 2x is because it seems higher than that so SSJ2 being 2x can be a lowball
why is Cell Max > UI and Limit Break Jiren?
Because his fight with Saigo Gohan is stated to be the strongest battle in history, with the latter being stated the strongest warrior, and other promotional material calling him the strongest. And Cell Max was so powerful that Gohan decided to target his weak point with a fully charged Special Beam Cannon (something that is stronger than one's normal maximum ki output), which supports him being the second strongest
Base Gohan fought on par with a casual Gamma 1 who is already Broly Saga SSB level while holding back a massive extent of his power as stated by Piccolo, and the Namekian is equal to Gohan for making him reel with a punch. Super Saiyan Gohan fought on par with a Gamma 1 who using more of his power but was still holding back
The most we can say with that is that SSBE Vegeta > FPSS Broly by the end of the Moro Saga. As for UI Goku...yeah, he's blatantly superior to Fusion SSB lol.
