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All the energy of the people of the worldGenki Dama didn't have all the energy of the other world?
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All the energy of the people of the worldGenki Dama didn't have all the energy of the other world?
It could be either the energy of Goku and Beerus crossing universe 7, or Beerus and Champa doing the same, or in the worst case Boo destroying the Kaioh realm2-C? Yes, infinite speed? No, there is no infinite speed feat that they scale
If it does Goku wouldn't need to ask help from the people of Earth.Genki Dama didn't have all the energy of the other world?
That is the point, their energy never did thatIt could be either the energy of Goku and Beerus crossing universe 7
When? Show scanor Beerus and Champa doing the same
Destroying it would be ap and not speed, or in the worst case Boo destroying the Kaioh realm
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1. The biggest issue we had with this feat in the manga was how long it took to go unrevealed, but now that the universe is accepted as Infinite, we don't need time to categorize it. As infinite speed, there's no reason to go against this feat now.That is the point, their energy never did that
When? Show scan
Destroying it would be ap and not speed
It's exactly like the anime, we see shock waves spreading through the macrocosm, there's nothing to deny it anymore since we accept the characters if they climb to themIn the manga there wasn’t any energy attacks involved and they only sent shockwaves across the universe which iirc is only accepted to apply to AP not speed
Jiren traveled through outer space distance in a couple of minutes tho.Official Dragon Ball website confirming that Gas traveled across the universe, which logically means infinite speed
This feat never scales because it isn't their energy, it is shockwaves from their punches, there 0 reason for that to scale to anyone1. The biggest issue we had with this feat in the manga was how long it took to go unrevealed, but now that the universe is accepted as Infinite, we don't need time to categorize it. As infinite speed, there's no reason to go against this feat now.
an ap feat, there is no speed feat in the scan you posted
Nope, we don't scale like this on the site3. If your energy travels all over the Kaioh world, it would have infinite speed.
Nope, since in context that just meana him traveling through space, he was still inside the universe, thus he still traveles only finite speedOfficial Dragon Ball website confirming that Gas traveled across the universe, which logically means infinite speed
Cara, o forum é em ingles entao fala em inglesBills e Champa sendo capazes de destruir o Universo 7 com uma Ki Ball, o que implica que a energia abrangeria tudo. Assim como no anime, a energia de Goku e Beerus se espalhando pelo macrocosmo. Gás viajando pelo universe . Para mim, proezas não faltam para escalar o mangá a esse nível de velocidade
Another speed feat for manga:
Another speed feat for manga:
Take it easy bro, he's new to this site and he doesn't know it lolCara, o forum é em ingles entao fala em ingles
Well, that is straight up not how we do things on the site, not every 2-C has immeasurable just because it can destroy a space time, that is the standards
How would that be infinite?There's Kid Buu's feat of traveling the universe destroying planets
Via unkown means, plus the universe are different space times, so it couldn't have been speed, it had to be dimensional traveland there's Zamasu's feat where he travels from universe 10 to 7 to make wishes
Universe is Infinitely expanding tho.We already consider that, this is mftl+ sure, but infinite? Nah
1. If you're going to disregard the manga, disregard the anime too, because there we saw the shock waves spreading just like in the manga, and we still accept climbing for sleedIf you're going to disregard the manga, disregard the anime too, because there we saw the shock waves spreading just like in the manga, and we still accept climbing for Speed.This feat never scales because it isn't their energy, it is shockwaves from their punches, there 0 reason for that to scale to anyone
an ap feat, there is no speed feat in the scan you posted
https://scans-ongoing-2.planeptune.us/manga/Dragon-Ball-Super-Color/0006-008.png
Nope, we don't scale like this on the site
1 that wouldn't mean anything reallyUniverse is Infinitely expanding tho.
No it shouldn't? Not every distance in an infinite place is infiniteIt should be by definition.
Which just means that it is far away, nothing infinite hereAlso given It was stated that planet was far off. From the "Galaxy prison" or else..
Which means nothing since we don't scale them to that, we scale them to a supressed beerus who reacted to an explosion that almost enveloped the universe, not the same situation1. If you're going to disregard the manga, disregard the anime too, because there we saw the shock waves spreading just like in the manga
Read above, you are just wrong on what we use to scale, also climb what?and we still accept climbing for sleedIf you're going to disregard the manga, disregard the anime too, because there we saw the shock waves spreading just like in the manga, and we still accept climbing for Speed.
So did i2. I explained this later
In verse? Yeah, out of it? NoOff-topic, but is a 2.5x AP advantage over Saiyan Saga Vegeta enough to stomp him? Considering he got rekt by KKX4 Goku, who's only 33% stronger than him.
It is. Universe Infinitely expanding means, distances get bigger and bigger without limits, a mere MFTL being wouldn't be able to cross it and reach it's destination given the distance doesn't stop getting bigger and bigger.1 that wouldn't mean anything really
2 it is enpanssive, aka it is expanding
No it shouldn't? Not every distance in an infinite place is infinite
Which just means that it is far away, nothing infinite here
While true, this would just be a supportive argument and not a main one. Considering it's perfectly possible for fictions to have sextillion times FTL characters, who should be able to overcome universal expansion speed.It is. Universe Infinitely expanding means, distances get bigger and bigger without limits, a mere MFTL being wouldn't be able to cross it and reach it's destination given the distance doesn't stop getting bigger and bigger.
Mistranslation, it is expanssive and not expending, plus that would still be finiteIt is. Universe Infinitely expanding
yes it would, the distance would be bigger, but still finitemeans, distances get bigger and bigger without limits, a mere MFTL being wouldn't be able to cross it
Unless you can prove the speed of the expansion then noand reach it's destination given the distance doesn't stop getting bigger and bigger.
It doesn't, distance to the desired destinion getting bigger Infinitely means the user would never be able to reach it's destination if it doesn't bypass that limitation itself. And thus, getting larger and larger Infinitely, without limits, means distance is infinite...... becouse distance doesn't stop growing up to Infinityyes it would, the distance would be bigger, but still finite
Tbh, by that notion. The earthlings wouldn't be capable of reaching Namek, unless they have an infinite speed ship.It doesn't, distance to the desired destinion getting bigger Infinitely means the user would never be able to reach it's destination if it doesn't bypass that limitation itself. And thus, getting larger and larger Infinitely, without limits, means distance is infinite......
Yes, which kinda doesn't contradict it. I mean. It's fiction after all.Tbh, by that notion. The earthlings wouldn't be capable of reaching Namek, unless they have an infinite speed ship.
Characters in Dragon Ball scale to the speed of their ki attacks, and the shockwaves produced by Goku and Beerus during their clash are just their energies rebounding off of each other2-C? Yes, infinite speed? No, there is no infinite speed feat that they scale
Which would still be finite, it would never be infinite, he would need to outspeed the expansion, but if said expansion is, say, lightspees for example, then being a bilion times ftl would be more than enoughIt doesn't, distance to the desired destinion getting bigger Infinitely means the user would never be able to reach it's destination if it doesn't bypass that limitation itself.
That is not how it works at all, if it keeps expanding then the finite distance will expand forever, it will never reach infinite since it impossible to reach infinite by expanding finite spaceAnd thus, getting larger and larger Infinitely, without limits, means distance is infinite...... becouse distance doesn't stop growing up to Infinity
That is the point, this isn't their energy
Nope, it is the result of the strengh of their blows, much like anything in real life that causes a shockwave, it isn't their ki, it is a mere aftereffect of two strong forces colidingand the shockwaves produced by Goku and Beerus during their clash are just their energies rebounding off of each other
You need to prove that its not their ki because ki and physicals go hand in hand in Dragon BallThat is the point, this isn't their energy
Nope, it is the result of the strengh of their blows, much like anything in real life that causes a shockwave, it isn't their ki, it is a mere aftereffect of two strong forces coliding
No i don't, that is a non sequitur, physicals and ki do go hand in hand, but that means nothing to the things being discussed right nowYou need to prove that its not their ki because ki and physicals go hand in hand in Dragon Ball
Define "pedantic" english is not my fist langauge, so idk what that meansRight now you're just being pedantic