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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Only if you sell your soul
BlastX
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Not really, it's one of the official what ifs of the game, even has voices and everything.
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Quick scaling chain off the top of my head based on the what-ifs I've seen:
I haven't done the Trunks story yet so I can't comment on what scale his what-if gives him.
UI Goku = LB Jiren ? Golden Freeza >> LSS2 Kefla > Base Freeza ~ SSBE Vegeta ~ Ultimate Gohan > GoD Toppo > Merged Zamasu ~ Vegito Blue > Goku Black > Base Vegito ? Gohan Black > Goku Blue ~ King Cold ~ Hit > FF Cooler > (gap) > SS2 Vegeta > SS3 Goku > (gap) > Piccolo = Grade 4 SS Goku
I haven't done the Trunks story yet so I can't comment on what scale his what-if gives him.
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More reasons to believe that being affected by time travel is basically downplaying all of them to... like, that level
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Since now all Toei movies are canon to DBZ anime and DBGT, this question has been bothering me, but is LSSJ Broly stronger than Cell Saga SSJ2 Gohan? Since Goku told him to run away from LSSJ Broly despite being aware of Gohan's SSJ2
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I know the scene you're referring to, but Goku only really got a glimpse of his power, and they weren't done training yet that time
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Guys the first signs of Chaos after Daima start, has arrived
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𝙋𝙧𝙤𝙗𝙡𝙚𝙢𝙨 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙞𝙢𝙢𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙪𝙧𝙖𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙨𝙥𝙚𝙚𝙙 𝙂𝙤𝙠𝙪 𝙘𝙤𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙧𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙨 𝙖𝙣 𝙤𝙪𝙩𝙡𝙞𝙚𝙧
wsp so I was bored as always and was checking some profiles cause why not, and when I had a look at Goku's profile for the 8th quadrillion time this month, I noticed that immeasurable speed goku was considered as an outlier? If not completely abandoned and was treated as analytical prediction...
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𝙋𝙧𝙤𝙗𝙡𝙚𝙢𝙨 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙞𝙢𝙢𝙚𝙖𝙨𝙪𝙧𝙖𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙨𝙥𝙚𝙚𝙙 𝙂𝙤𝙠𝙪 𝙘𝙤𝙣𝙨𝙞𝙙𝙚𝙧𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙨 𝙖𝙣 𝙤𝙪𝙩𝙡𝙞𝙚𝙧
wsp so I was bored as always and was checking some profiles cause why not, and when I had a look at Goku's profile for the 8th quadrillion time this month, I noticed that immeasurable speed goku was considered as an outlier? If not completely abandoned and was treated as analytical prediction...
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Lol, just checked Hit's profile and... Obito? Really? HOW...
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speed equal + prior knowledge, basically just instantly favored it to Obito
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Because obito is stronger, duh
BitestDust
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Nah, Nappa solos with two fingers
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Nappa: Nah, I'd finger
BitestDust
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Hey, you talk about immeasurable speed by Goku's movement in Hit's Toki Tobashi and some things. What about Jiren, who can move when Hit used time cage on him. His time should be equal to zero in that moment, that's why he shouldn't be possible to move. But he can move in that state, and we have statement that Jiren is surpassing time. Its not look just as resist, cuz time cage effect isn't weakened from Jiren's power, it's Jiren can move due to his power. Like, we didn't give ability to resistance to gravity if character resist it by his physical strength.
Also, Jiren should have Extraordinary Genius by surpassing Goku... Also like Hit or Vegeta i think. All Goku battle skills was nothing to Jiren's Ki control, but Vegeta found the way to damage him and evade his attacks. And in SH Whis said Vegeta thinks correct about that things...
Well, its just what i think about that all.
Also, Jiren should have Extraordinary Genius by surpassing Goku... Also like Hit or Vegeta i think. All Goku battle skills was nothing to Jiren's Ki control, but Vegeta found the way to damage him and evade his attacks. And in SH Whis said Vegeta thinks correct about that things...
Well, its just what i think about that all.
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Vegeta should absolutely be E.G and its an actual joke that he isn't when he straight up out fought and beat Goku base to base.
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I don't disagree with Vegeta being E.G., but is anyone who can beat Goku E.G.?
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I want immeasurable speed
Hasty12345
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me too
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I can't find the discussion thread for DBZ Toei/Anime, so I'm going to post this here
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Dante VS Goku (MvC vs DBZ Toei)
Son Goku (Toei) VS Dante Sparda (MvC) Rules: -Equal Speed -Dante does not have access to his optional equipment, he has the Factor-X and his Devil Trigger activated. -They start in the Sahara Desert, separated by 30 meters. -Goku Beginning of Z Key -SBA from the rest. Dante: Goku: Incon:
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Really?
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No. But it's Vegeta, his rival, the one dude who can either keep up with him or is right on his heels.
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Yeah the man who has never been one to misread an opponents strength
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This doesn't make him not have E.G lmao. Goku has had blunders before, it's nonsensical to say a character making a mistake in the story is a good argument
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tbf Gokus blunders aren't as numerous or as bad as what the Prince of L's tends to make.
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This doesn't address my point. If Goku makes a mistake, that doesn't make him not a genius, it just makes him someone who made a mistake.
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Surely pride must have been a factor in those mistakes but not sure.
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I've found the perfect justification for Bardock having an Extraordinary Genius rating...
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"Goku becomes a Super Saiyan again." (Passage right next to the film poster). Confirming what was stated on the Toei Return of Cooler info Pamphlet/Film Comic, Goku used SSJ against Frieza, meaning the plot hole is doubly recitified.
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I think it's just that Toei didn't expect Toriyama to make SSJ so easy to turn into, but they have confirmed twice that the events of Namek within the canon of the film the events played out identically to canon, which means as weird as it sounds, yeah, Goku not going SSJ like he normally could and turning into it "for the first time seemingly" in the film just is Toei being weird.
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They're always like this, Toei loves for the characters to sandbagg in weaker forms, when in the manga the base form was never used again for fights once they got Super Saiyan and by the Buu Saga regular Super Saiyan was only used by people who couldn't go higher at the time.
BlastX
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I mean, Goku just casually switched back and forth the form in the battle against Freezer when he gave up in the fight, though I guess they didn't know at the time.
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I mean, I would imagine not. Goku's eye color in his design was barely solified by that point, because Toriyama when first making it just had the hair up (as seen in Lord Slug) then made it blonde with red eyes (as seen in many prototype designs, which were even used on Cooler's Revenge Posters) before finally focusing onto one specific design (Blonde and Blue Eyes). The film also blatantly reused a cut of Goku's power up and attack against Frieza in the film, so I wouldn't be surprised if they straight up just weren't aware.
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