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No, it's only ever called Dragon Hammer(except in Dokkan Battle)
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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No, Gohan explicitly states their powers were similar. Omega also outright wasn't able to hurt Goku due to the resistances Goku had to all of his hax, and was only mildly stronger, they were going back and forth with Goku on the backfoot, something which we see visually when Omega does his hand raise wave, which easily knocked around everyone but Goku. Goku only becomes unable to do anything after he burns basically all his Ki on the Dragon Hammer/Super Dragon Fist. Super Full Power Goku thrashed Syn Shenron, and yes it was necessary because normal SSJ4 Goku (with virtually no Ki) was being utterly dominated, but all of that I noted (in a prior comment).
EDIT: Rewatching, GT Goku is on a much bigger backfoot physically, so not "moderately" weaker, as Goku kept getting hit before he could collect his bearings and even attack. However, Goku is still relative to Omega based on Gohan's statement regardless.
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i have been around since the loungemoviecodec days debating GT feats I've seen all the arguments to be had but it seems to me ever since DBS got their new feats DBGT is now suddenly getting highballed to keep up with Super
No one back in the day was arguing for Multiversal GT and last i checked GT hasnt had a show since then.
Buuhan was screaming to the point where he was going to collapse the dimensions not sure how people are now arguing for multiversal Buuhan because that's something only he can do
Cosmology isn't the problem it's scaling GT to have infinite speed to a movie which(like most movies before BOG) doesn't fit in the timeline.
But i'll agree to disagree it's not that big of a deal to me.
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I thought it was based on an Otherworld Saga feat.
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The Buuhan feat being treated as 2-C is all thanks to @Ultima_Reality (whom is definitely NOT one of the GT guys that randomly wanted Multiversal DBZ all of a sudden in response to Super) making the crt and getting it accepted
Pikkon and Goku traveling Heaven is one of the main feats of infinite speed, it's not movie only
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i see but even then the point remains the same it doesn't make any sense claiming Base Goku and anyone who scales to him has infinite speed is ridiculous
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i usually see people talk about the cooler one more often but the point remains the same claiming anyone who scales in anyway to Base goku or if you're going off the movies SSJ Goku has infinite speed makes zero sense
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The Metal Cooler feat/movie is not accepted in the Canon of GT here
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that's good but that still doesn't change the fact of everyone having infinite speed if they scale to base (Cell?) games Goku
GT pan having infinite speed and being low Multiversal is laughable
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Well here's the thing prior to Infinite speed it was MFTL+ with a value of "4.38 Quadrillion c", thanks to Pikkon's and Goku's feat
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That's appeal to incredulity though.
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Mr. Popo's filler has pretty neat stuff when it comes to the martial arts side of Dragon Ball. Also, they're just very charming. Watching Kid Goku try to solve these problems and learn the foundations of Ki we take for granted is just so riveting.
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If someone is willing (I’m lazy and terrible at pixel calcs), they should calculate Super Shenron’s Mass and GBE. A python would possess universal level mass (over 10^53 kg) at just 100 light years long. Super Shenron appears to be well over 100 million light years long. A python would weigh over 10^71 kg when scaled proportionally. From multi galactic to universal lifting strength. The GBE (if any methods work at all) won’t reach 3A AP but would give a concrete 3B rating.
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i don't exactly get ur point, we're saying the same thing here
yeah but the manga scaling is different, broly was fodder by the time of the granola arc
paragus explicitly stated that ikari is just oozaru without shapeshifting
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Could you provide a scan?
Killerdrone123
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Well this would be fun
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To be canon or not to be that is the question.A Dragon ball Super we revision
Well hello everyone I am back with another crt the objective of this crt would be to prove why DBZ Kai is canon to DBS anime First let me lay some base for the argument in Dragon ball Super we can see them using flash backs from the anime for some scenes in super 1)In Dragon ball super...
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almost every time rage amps were mentioned it was explained
broly's rage is quite literally just his great ape power
how Gohan's rage is him accessing his dormant power
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I bet we get a continuing of GT first-
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Get ready for…GT Kai!
Really, jokes aside, I’d love a modern re-animation of GT’s events. Stuff kinda sucks to watch visually after rewatching some of the best fights Z has to offer. Like I can’t look at SSJ4 Goku V Omega Shenron and take it seriously when Goku V Majin Vegeta exists.
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Dragon Ball GT contains 3 infinite universes and all cosmology takes 2-C infinitely superior to a normal 2-C, then Cabba being sized for 2 GoD Wouldn't it be inferior to DBGT's 2-C which contains 3 infinite Universes?
Remembering that Toei cosmology has 3 infinite Universes and canon cosmology only has 2 normal Universes ( which would make 4 universes with the battle between Beerus and his brother)
Here half of Brazil hates DBGT and thinks it's just multi-galaxy
Remembering that Toei cosmology has 3 infinite Universes and canon cosmology only has 2 normal Universes ( which would make 4 universes with the battle between Beerus and his brother)
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I find everyone scaling to SSG power more Ridiculous the 2 bases thing made much more sense- point is super has something just as ridiculous, so why is this notable?
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Infinite size in 3-D doesn't matter once we include space-times. Beerus and Champa get 4 space-times while GT just gets 3.
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Base Cabba might become stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta
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DBS Anime gets 2-C in Buu saga is a big one. It's like a bargain sale version of Toei-scaling being added.
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Bruh
but like DBZ and DBZ Kai are the same thing just a better dialogue
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Accuracy.
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Kai is missing quite a few scenes from DBZ since it was made to be more Manga accurate. A lot of filler and stuff. It'll be weaker as a result, but still better.
I forget if Infinite speed is in Kai or if Infinite universe is in. But I ain't that invested in this.
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In my opinion the bigger and more noteworthy thing is that the title screens of the Macrocosm (the universe as shown within Kai) means that Super's fuckup no longer matters and we can go back to the cosmology as Toriyama intended and stop pretending that the "source material" cannot be wrong. U7 Being a giant weirdo sphere is much better than an ordinary inconsistent with all known lore regular universe.
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ALSO, whose teleport did Goku predict within Toei? The claim is here with a broken link and the only person I can think of is S.Janemba, but I want to be sure
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Even if the living world wasn't a sphere it's definitely in a sphere
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is there something useful in the video or it's just a meme
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I don't think you'd even need Majin's feat to scale GT to low-multiversal.
We have Janemba's feat of distorting all afterlife and affecting the living Universe, we have Gogeta's feat when he transforms creates a Big Bang in the other world and was shaking the entire other world, we have Lord Ludo's quote that could destroy the entire Universe, in addition to Android 17 joining the Universe with another world.
We are literally served with so much done for Toei to be low-multiversal, not counting the feat of Omega Sheron that was going to destroy the Universe and was even affecting the Kaioshin realm.
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I doubt this is valid, because the context is conquest and his energy draining of others to empower him. Further, Luud himself is merely a facade used to empower Baby, (which the person who said this knew) who was going to conquer the universe via his parasitic nature, which we know from Trunks was being planned to use by the Machine Mutants to conquer the universe from the very beginning.
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