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I disagree with this. Buuhan’s feat is blatant and GT upscales.GT isn't low multiversal
I agree with this.or infinite speed
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I disagree with this. Buuhan’s feat is blatant and GT upscales.GT isn't low multiversal
I agree with this.or infinite speed
So you don't buy how Buuhans feat is handled and you also disagree with infinite size cosmology?GT isn't low multiversal or infinite speed
Correction:Goku needed Super Full Power to fight Syn Shenron cause he was getting assblasted otherwise, once he went Omega he couldn't do shit to him and he needed to use Dragon Hammer or try and Self-Destruct to beat him.To be frank, SSJ4 doesn't really have a set multiplier either. It seems to just continually grant more strength the more Ki you have or more control you have. We're explicitly told that the SSJ4 you see most of the time is actually nerfed, because Goku isn't at Full Power, which results in him not performing as well as he should. This is very clearly established with his fight with Baby--The massive jumps in power I listed are the amps it gave a Goku on death's door. Once he gained his full power, he was able to just wallop Baby, and he can continually absorb Ki to grow in strength further, like he did to the Revenge Death Ball. This is really consistent, because when Goku fought Nuova he didn't even really have the Ki to transform at all, and was just forcing his body to do so, and he was fighting comparably, whereas when Goku fought Omega, after getting Ki given to him for his "Super Full Power" he utterly dwarfed everyone else and was directly stated to be so close to Omega the difference in their powers was impossible to tell.
So you could really say that SSJ4 is like, the perfect form? It has basically no drain, can create massive stores of power out of nothing, can sap power to fight above your weight class (making it have a lite version of the unbounded multiplier UE and UI have) and operates as a potential unlock that puts you in your prime body, meaning your prior physical circumstances don't really matter. While SSJ4 within the context of it's story won't naturally give you a SSBKK, SSBE, or UI/UE buff, you can work your way there pretty cleanly via just Super 17'ing your way up the ladder. The difference is that SSJ4 focuses on bettering the fundamentals, like precision, senses, stamina cost, improving the prior forms, etc. whereas UI and UE come with hax.
"Dragon Hammer" Bruh!Correction:Goku needed Super Full Power to fight Syn Shenron cause he was getting assblasted otherwise, once he went Omega he couldn't do shit to him and he needed to use Dragon Hammer or try and Self-Destruct to beat him.
Dragon Hammer is a pretty solid combo, idk what you mean."Dragon Hammer" Bruh!
No, it's only ever called Dragon Hammer(except in Dokkan Battle)Sorry should I have called it Dragon Kamehameha X10?
No, Gohan explicitly states their powers were similar. Omega also outright wasn't able to hurt Goku due to the resistances Goku had to all of his hax, and was only mildly stronger, they were going back and forth with Goku on the backfoot, something which we see visually when Omega does his hand raise wave, which easily knocked around everyone but Goku. Goku only becomes unable to do anything after he burns basically all his Ki on the Dragon Hammer/Super Dragon Fist. Super Full Power Goku thrashed Syn Shenron, and yes it was necessary because normal SSJ4 Goku (with virtually no Ki) was being utterly dominated, but all of that I noted (in a prior comment).Correction:Goku needed Super Full Power to fight Syn Shenron cause he was getting assblasted otherwise, once he went Omega he couldn't do shit to him and he needed to use Dragon Hammer or try and Self-Destruct to beat him.
i have been around since the loungemoviecodec days debating GT feats I've seen all the arguments to be had but it seems to me ever since DBS got their new feats DBGT is now suddenly getting highballed to keep up with SuperSo you don't buy how Buuhans feat is handled and you also disagree with infinite size cosmology?
I thought it was based on an Otherworld Saga feat.Cosmology isn't the problem it's scaling GT to have infinite speed to a movie which(like most movies before BOG) doesn't fit in the timeline.
The Buuhan feat being treated as 2-C is all thanks to @Ultima_Reality (whom is definitely NOT one of the GT guys that randomly wanted Multiversal DBZ all of a sudden in response to Super) making the crt and getting it acceptedCosmology isn't the problem it's scaling GT to have infinite speed to a movie which(like most movies before BOG) doesn't fit in the timeline..
i see but even then the point remains the same it doesn't make any sense claiming Base Goku and anyone who scales to him has infinite speed is ridiculousThe Buuhan feat being treated as 2-C is all thanks to @Ultima_Reality (whom is definitely NOT one of the GT guys that randomly wanted Multiversal DBZ all of a sudden in response to Super) making the crt and getting it accepted
Pikkon and Goku traveling Heaven is one of the main feats of infinite speed, it's not movie only
i usually see people talk about the cooler one more often but the point remains the same claiming anyone who scales in anyway to Base goku or if you're going off the movies SSJ Goku has infinite speed makes zero senseI thought it was based on an Otherworld Saga feat.
The Metal Cooler feat/movie is not accepted in the Canon of GT herei usually see people talk about the cooler one more often but the point remains the same claiming anyone who scales in anyway to Base goku or if you're going off the movies SSJ Goku has infinite speed makes zero sense
that's good but that still doesn't change the fact of everyone having infinite speed if they scale to base (Cell?) games GokuThe Metal Cooler feat/movie is not accepted in the Canon of GT here
Well here's the thing prior to Infinite speed it was MFTL+ with a value of "4.38 Quadrillion c", thanks to Pikkon's and Goku's feati see but even then the point remains the same it doesn't make any sense claiming Base Goku and anyone who scales to him has infinite speed is ridiculous
That's appeal to incredulity though.that's good but that still doesn't change the fact of everyone having infinite speed if they scale to base (Cell?) games Goku
GT pan having infinite speed and being low Multiversal is laughable
i don't exactly get ur point, we're saying the same thing hereThat is if he hadn't been awakened in a hurry.
yeah but the manga scaling is different, broly was fodder by the time of the granola arcHell in the Manga Beast Gohan was in a beam crash against Cell Max too
paragus explicitly stated that ikari is just oozaru without shapeshiftingIt's not explicitly stated, but pretty much.
Could you provide a scan?If someone is willing (I’m lazy and terrible at pixel calcs), they should calculate Super Shenron’s Mass and GBE. A python would possess universal level mass (over 10^53 kg) at just 100 light years long. Super Shenron appears to be well over 100 million light years long. A python would weigh over 10^71 kg when scaled proportionally. From multi galactic to universal lifting strength. The GBE (if any methods work at all) won’t reach 3A AP but would give a concrete 3B rating.
Yeah, but you gotta factor in the rage amps and such.paragus explicitly stated that ikari is just oozaru without shapeshifting
almost every time rage amps were mentioned it was explainedYeah, but you gotta factor in the rage amps and such.
I bet we get a continuing of GT first-Don't worry, yall. Sooner or later Base Cabba-sama would fight a Vegeta who scales to 2 GoD in base and we'll get our God at a level beyond what mere monkeys can reach
Get ready for…GT Kai!I bet we get a continuing of GT first-
I find everyone scaling to SSG power more Ridiculous the 2 bases thing made much more sense- point is super has something just as ridiculous, so why is this notable?i see but even then the point remains the same it doesn't make any sense claiming Base Goku and anyone who scales to him has infinite speed is ridiculous
Infinite size in 3-D doesn't matter once we include space-times. Beerus and Champa get 4 space-times while GT just gets 3.Dragon Ball GT contains 3 infinite universes and all cosmology takes 2-C infinitely superior to a normal 2-C, then Cabba being sized for 2 GoD Wouldn't it be inferior to DBGT's 2-C which contains 3 infinite Universes?
Remembering that Toei cosmology has 3 infinite Universes and canon cosmology only has 2 normal Universes ( which would make 4 universes with the battle between Beerus and his brother)
Here half of Brazil hates DBGT and thinks it's just multi-galaxy
Base Cabba might become stronger than SSJ4 GogetaWhat’s the important of having DBZ Kai be canon?
DBS Anime gets 2-C in Buu saga is a big one. It's like a bargain sale version of Toei-scaling being added.What’s the important of having DBZ Kai be canon?
BruhBase Cabba might become stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta
but like DBZ and DBZ Kai are the same thing just a better dialogueDBS Anime gets 2-C in Buu saga is a big one. It's like a bargain sale version of Toei-scaling being added.
Accuracy.What’s the important of having DBZ Kai be canon?
Kai is missing quite a few scenes from DBZ since it was made to be more Manga accurate. A lot of filler and stuff. It'll be weaker as a result, but still better.but like DBZ and DBZ Kai are the same thing just a better didialogue
Even if the living world wasn't a sphere it's definitely in a sphereIn my opinion the bigger and more noteworthy thing is that the title screens of the Macrocosm (the universe as shown within Kai) means that Super's fuckup no longer matters and we can go back to the cosmology as Toriyama intended and stop pretending that the "source material" cannot be wrong. U7 Being a giant weirdo sphere is much better than an ordinary inconsistent with all known lore regular universe.