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I think cell max should scale on GasAs well as Gas, Granola, Cell Max and Beerus
Sagambo and 17 aren't that strong in comparison to current characters. Same could be said for Moro
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I think cell max should scale on GasAs well as Gas, Granola, Cell Max and Beerus
Sagambo and 17 aren't that strong in comparison to current characters. Same could be said for Moro
That's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too low, dude. You have to remember that SSJ3 Goku was ~ Super Saiyan Baby, and then Baby went SSJ2 and SSJ3. Golden Oozaru eclipsed that, and then Goku went SSJ4 with Golden Oozaru Baby being near him in strength (meaning the multiplier from Golden Oozaru to SSJ4 must be comparable to the multiplier gap between SSJ3 and Golden Oozaru itself.)I've always felt like 4,000 was reasonable.
It's still got nothing on the god forms that take Goku to a literal different realm of strength. SSJG is like 20,000 at a LOWBALL estimate. Like bare minimum. Using that would make SSJB a 1,000,000x base form multiplier. And UI is vastly superior to that.
Remember PUI and UE are limitless unbounded states of mind/forms/techniquesThat's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too low, dude. You have to remember that SSJ3 Goku was ~ Super Saiyan Baby, and then Baby went SSJ2 and SSJ3. Golden Oozaru eclipsed that, and then Goku went SSJ4 with Golden Oozaru Baby being near him in strength (meaning the multiplier from Golden Oozaru to SSJ4 must be comparable to the multiplier gap between SSJ3 and Golden Oozaru itself.)
Like, the actual lowball would be near 10.24 million times Base.
(400 x 2 x 4 is 3200 to get to where SB2 {and thus Golden Oozaru} is from Base, then multiply 3200 on itself to get the bare minimum SSJ4 Multiplier. 3200 times 3200 is 10.24 million).
How it stacks up compared to the God Forms is iffy, though, because SSJ4 is just propelling an already 2-C fighter massively forward whereas SSG is taking a Multi-Solar System/Galaxy fighter to 2-C. If you compared actual numerical minimums, SSJ4 would be superior, but if you got the power jumps as written in the context of their stories I'd say SSG and SSJ4 would be comparable (SSJ4 was compared to the multiplier Anime Vegito gave in the guides and we also know that SSJ2 Baby exceeded him outright, so it's consistent, and Anime Vegito took Galaxy-Multi Galaxy fighters to 2-C like SSG did for Goku in BoG so within the context of their stories, they're comparable as infinite jumps of power. No, SSG being "above Vegito" doesn't matter, because that was referring to Manga Vegito, whose level of power and increase are dwarfed by Anime Vegito.)
Then SSB is a 50x jump off of that, making it the stronger form compared to ordinary SSJ4, and SFPSSJ4 is at least a ten times amp, (likely much higher because it took SSJ4 Goku who couldn't even handle Syn Shenron beyond even Omega Shenron, which is a ten times amp off Syn Shenron himself, so this is just the numerical lowball, not an accurate estimate), so based on that SSB is stronger, but wouldn't be too much so. GT Goku would likely be able to use the Super Dragon Fist to cross the remaining gap (it allowed Base Goku to damage S17, who at that point was stronger than SSJ4 Goku of that arc). SSJ4 would definitely be behind forms like SSBKK, SSBE, and Ultra Instinct/Ego though.
NoIsn't Super Saiyan 4 just a compressed Super Saiyan Great Ape?
SSJ4, despite requiring SSJ and Oozaru, is described as being a “separate species” of transformation that acts as a “awakening of a Saiyan’s potential.” It's not a multiplier or actually dependent on prior form powers, and is more in line with the ritual Gohan went through.Isn't Super Saiyan 4 just a compressed Super Saiyan Great Ape?
aside from SS4, SSG and UI/UE
what other forms grant astronomical boosts compared to base?
Canonically: Ultimate/Potential Unleash, Orange/Beast, Golden Frieza, Black Frieza, SSJ Rage, SSJB, SSJBE, SSJ Rose, LSSJ, Fusion, Dragon Ball Empowered, GoD form, and Merus' Angel stateaside from SS4, SSG and UI/UE
what other forms grant astronomical boosts compared to base?
Base Cabba GG or whatever the meme is rnW GT glaze
what's the biggest gap from base to ultimate that we know of? considering that base gohan isn't weakUltimate/Potential Unleash
Well, iircwhat's the biggest gap from base to ultimate that we know of? considering that base gohan isn't weak
ngl most of these aren't even that impressiveCanonically: Ultimate/Potential Unleash, Orange/Beast, Golden Frieza, Black Frieza, SSJ Rage, SSJB, SSJBE, SSJ Rose, LSSJ, Fusion, Dragon Ball Empowered, GoD form, and Merus' Angel state
after training with the z sword, base gohan was >= base goku iircWell, iirc
Ssj kids>base Gohan
Base Gotenks> ssj kids (PRE ROSAT)
Base Gotenks (POST ROSAT)> ssj Gotenks (PRE ROSAT)
Ssj3 Gotenks= 400x base
Ultimate>ssj3 Gotenks
So base to ultimate is around 20,000x from base by simply scaling purely from Gotenks
LSSJ let Broly go from Base Gohan level to easily beating him in SSJ2, so it's about x5,000LSS is fair maybeeee? it's roughly an SSG gap??
oh i was talking about canon broly's green haired formLSSJ let Broly go from Base Gohan level to easily beating him in SSJ2, so it's about x5,000
is there proof of that? nothing in-verse ever indicates it being an infinite ampWhen will VBW accept SSG as the infinite multiplier it is
is there proof of that? nothing in-verse ever indicates it being an infinite amp
No, it will happen as soon as the first episode of Dragon Ball Daima comes out, i want to do something very different with a lot of evidence.Has Luffy already done the CRT to level up Majin Buu?
after training with the z sword, base gohan was >= base goku iirc
but yeah applying the gotenks goofy scaling it gets bumped up really alot
SS2 goku is 100x his base
SS3 gotenks is 20,000x that
gohan is > gotenks
2 million times is huge, but it's kinda consistent, because in super it bumped gohan to SSB level
I forgorpngl most of these aren't even that impressive
toppo was = blue vegeta, in god form he's =< blue evolution, barely a 20x amp
Base Broly < SSG Vegeta, LSSJ Broly > SSJ GogetaLSS is fair maybeeee? it's roughly an SSG gap??
Ehh, isn't Ikari Broly only about x10 stronger than his base form?Base Broly < SSG Vegeta, LSSJ Broly > SSJ Gogeta
base broly is 1/10th of his ikari stateI forgorp
Base Broly < SSG Vegeta, LSSJ Broly > SSJ Gogeta
u mean stronger?Ehh, isn't Ikari Broly only about x10 stronger than his base form?
No, it only was if it had been completely finished according to Akira Toriyama.whats the current scaling for anime DBS?
wasnt cell max < broly?
When will VBW accept SSG as the infinite multiplier it is
yeah that's what i saidNo, it only was if it had been completely finished according to Akira Toriyama.
That is if he hadn't been awakened in a hurry.yeah that's what i said
the cell max we see is < broly
Hell in the Manga Beast Gohan was in a beam crash against Cell Max tooThat is if he hadn't been awakened in a hurry.
I saw, Cell Max needed third parties to be defeated, if it was just Gohan alone there would be no way for him to finish it, Cell Max is a monster.Hell in the Manga Beast Gohan was in a beam crash against Cell Max too
It's not explicitly stated, but pretty much.Ehh, isn't Ikari Broly only about x10 stronger than his base form?
GT isn't low multiversal or infinite speedWhat part is in question? Because it seems pretty straight forward-
No. Because Golden Freeza was far stronger than Blue Goku until the stamina problems kicked in. If we argue that Base Freeza is equivalent to BG/SSG Goku then I'd think Golden would be analogous to a form like SS3 due to similar stamina problems.speaking of transformation multipliers, would golden frieza be ~ ss1 since frieza fought beyond god goku in base and ssb in gold?