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Ditto on civilisation pages for the Saiyan Empire and Freeza Force. They're horribly underrated with their Sci-Fi tech. The vast majority of Sci-Fi settings ironically don't have spaceflight as advanced as DB.
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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I'm out of the loop of Dragon Ball crts, but I think Cell was supposed to be eventually upgraded to 4-A, when is that going to happen
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Not sure, ik the argument you're referring to tho
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The cell solar system feat recalc
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If this is correct, we can take it to mean that blast extends up to 12 ly
I'll convert everything to light minutes though just for ease of reference
299792458 m/s * 60 s / min = 17987547480 m/min
E = 4*(.6*6.6743015E-11*1.9885E30^2/696300000)*((12*365*24*60)/(696300000/17987547480))^2 = 2.41488347647089E+58 J or 241.4883 TeraFoe (4-A)
I'll convert everything to light minutes though just for ease of reference
299792458 m/s * 60 s / min = 17987547480 m/min
E = 4*(.6*6.6743015E-11*1.9885E30^2/696300000)*((12*365*24*60)/(696300000/17987547480))^2 = 2.41488347647089E+58 J or 241.4883 TeraFoe (4-A)
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Going through GT for various haxes, resistances, and feats is interesting, because there's just tons of stuff I don't remember ever happening that I find and just kind of go, "Huh." A good example is it's established in Episode 17 that Goku's power, (while unconscious) is simply impossible to calculate. This also isn't a "oooo malfunction" or "SCOUTER BREAK!" due to battle power too. They outright state the machine is working fine and there's no errors. Goku's power simply just isn't calculable. Due to this, Rildo and Mega Cannon Sigma have to utilize Giru's accumulated data across the entire series so far to determine how to beat Goku. It's then stated in Episode 18 that Goku's power (When serious in base) exceeds "all previous data." Which would include Goku as a SSJ against Ledgic, the fight with Luud, etc. Meaning that between those episodes he just got 50x stronger? Bare minimum. This is something they confirm again, because when Goku was "losing" (holding back and they were fighting at Goku's estimated max capacity) Rildo considered the information incredibly accurate despite the fact he was also aware of SSJ (which he establishes when he sees Goku go SSJ and he goes Hyper Meta). Crazy.
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GT as a whole has weird resistances for Goku the pages here are bare bones
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GT Goku is just that guy
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I think it's more likely that Goku was holding back against everyone prior to the Sigma Force, we know that Rilldo was the first guy in GT to surpass Kid Buu afterall.
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I have a quote for every form except SSJ2, and 2 quotes for SFPSSJ4.
Not likely, to be honest. Goku explicitly needed SSJ to defeat Ledgic, who was beyond his Base Form. Then later the Sigma Force were people "with power as awesome as theirs he hadn't seen in a long time." (Stronger than Ledgic). And then Rildo was "stronger than all the guys they've met so far" (on M-2, so stronger than Mega Cannon Sigma).
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Goku stating "The universe sure is a big place huh? His ki is even stronger than Buu's" basically outright confirms that the prior villains had yet to surpass Kid Buu tho.
Don't think Goku sandbagging against Ledgic is indicative of anything either, he sorta did the same thing against the Sigma Force and then proceeded to one-shot them in base.
I think the only way we can go with the Goku got stronger interpretation is if we say BoGT Goku got significantly weaker we he became a child.
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Except he explicitly wasn’t. Goku needed Super Saiyan to defeat Ledgic. I also think that taking the statement to overwrite other events is iffy.
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It's just pretty contradictory. It sorta also ends up making Goten thousands of times stronger than Goku, when he's considered the strongest on Earth.
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Yeah GT had that bullshit that Goku and the others randomly jump in power through the series, it's even a common thing in the Kanzeshuu forums when discussing GT power levels to say everyone after M2 is stronger than anything in Z.
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i mean it's not as bad as the ss4 multiplier thread i read where the op was literally assuming 90%of the stuff
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fair, should've censored it
teenager bulma was going crazy with the slurs tho
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This is actually weird, because it’s heavily implied by Baby that Vegeta is the strongest on Earth (period, not at that time/when Goku’s gone, because he repeatedly asserts “the Strongest in the Universe”) after scanning through the mind and memories of every Saiyan as he works his way up the ladder. I’m not saying he’s correct, either. I’m saying as you said: It’s incredibly contradictory.
My Headcanon on the fly explanation currently is that maybe everyone on Earth thought Goku was massively nerfed by the wish (and only Pan and Trunks know the truth after fighting alongside him), and that Baby’s ego and tunnel vision on Vegeta’s bloodline (the most powerful naturally generated Saiyan/Pureblood Saiyan with most potential) made him believe something that wasn’t true, as it just reinforced the false beliefs/biases he had about their powers since he was targeting the Vegeta bloodline anyway.
(Baby possessing Trunks doesn’t inform Baby this is a lie, either, because the Tuffle explains quite explicitly that the Hybrid kicking him out in such short time prevented analysis of his memories.)
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BOG downgrade via charge of the gods of destruction, what will happen next week?
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what's that?
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Why Is BoG Anime Goku Still Considered 2c?
It's established that 2 destroyers aren't allowed to engage in combat with each other due to their fight causing the destruction of the universe their fighting in overtime with Whis and Vados quickly intervening with serious tones and reminding Beerus and Champa as to why they're not allowed to...
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Why Is BoG Anime Goku Still Considered 2c?
It's established that 2 destroyers aren't allowed to engage in combat with each other due to their fight causing the destruction of the universe their fighting in overtime with Whis and Vados quickly intervening with serious tones and reminding Beerus and Champa as to why they're not allowed to...vsbattles.com
Why Is BoG Anime Goku Still Considered 2c?
It's established that 2 destroyers aren't allowed to engage in combat with each other due to their fight causing the destruction of the universe their fighting in overtime with Whis and Vados quickly intervening with serious tones and reminding Beerus and Champa as to why they're not allowed to...
Then people here blame others for the bad reputation DB Supporters have............man, the irony made me laugh pages ago, now i am just bored by it
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I know right, the way people argue here leave me shocked.Why Is BoG Anime Goku Still Considered 2c?
It's established that 2 destroyers aren't allowed to engage in combat with each other due to their fight causing the destruction of the universe their fighting in overtime with Whis and Vados quickly intervening with serious tones and reminding Beerus and Champa as to why they're not allowed to...
Then people here blame others for the bad reputation DB Supporters have............man, the irony made me laugh pages ago, now i am just bored by it
Is probally a difference in maturity.
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Bro did you not start this discussion with this scene? Ofc Sigma Force were stronger than Ledgic but up until Planet M-2 no one was stronger than the strongest Majin Buu narratively speaking until Base Rildo who was stronger than the Sigma Force who got molly wopped by a Goku who admitted to holding back, which would make sense unless you want to argue SSJ Trunks > Mutchy > SSJ Goku > Base Goku > Lord Luud off of the premise that Goku needed SSJ.
Goku getting a stronger boost in any of those scenerios would entertain a GT Goten and Trunks being stronger than Base Goku.
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Why Is BoG Anime Goku Still Considered 2c?
It's established that 2 destroyers aren't allowed to engage in combat with each other due to their fight causing the destruction of the universe their fighting in overtime with Whis and Vados quickly intervening with serious tones and reminding Beerus and Champa as to why they're not allowed to...
Then people here blame others for the bad reputation DB Supporters have............man, the irony made me laugh pages ago, now i am just bored by it
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