Why Is BoG Anime Goku Still Considered 2c?

[TheFallenProfit]

It's established that 2 destroyers aren't allowed to engage in combat with each other due to their fight causing the destruction of the universe their fighting in overtime with Whis and Vados quickly intervening with serious tones and reminding Beerus and Champa as to why they're not allowed to fight.

Yet this same Whis was beyond casual the entirety of the Goku vs Beerus fight and even stated he was surprised that Beerus went out of his way to nullify the super dense energy ball which Elder Kai stated was going to destroy the universe so why was Whis expecting it to blow up if it was actually as potent as Elder Kai claimed and why did he never even think to interfere and even go out of his way to claim he was too weak to stop Goku and Beerus if the universe was actually in danger given that its his job as an Angel to prevent unsactioned universal annihilation like when 2 destroyers fight?

There's also the fact that the waves got stronger the further they traveled from Goku and Beerus to the point where Elder Kai stated Goku and Beerus would be annihilated by the force of the destruction of U7 so I never understood why they were considered to have scaled to this feat anyway.

I just don't see how the feat could possibly still be considered 2c in this day and age, especially given later implications where you have Beerus and Whis attempting to convey how Zeno is the most powerful due to him being able to oneshot universes and Champa calling Zeno a "God among Gods" for being able to oneshot U9 and described it as an "insane" feat. Why would they convey Zeno in this manner if the likes of BoG Goku could do the same feat thousands of times over?

If somebody could properly answer this, it would be much appreciated.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Yea, no

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Is this an Omega burner account?

 

[TheFallenProfit]

Yea, no

This quite literally doesn't address anything of what I said.

 

[Emerald]

It's established that 2 destroyers aren't allowed to engage in combat with each other due to their fight causing the destruction of the universe their fighting in overtime with Whis and Vados quickly intervening with serious tones and reminding Beerus and Champa as to why they're not allowed to fight.

Their fight doesnt only end one universe, it ends both U6 and U7. Which is infinitely higher than destroying just U7 which was what Goku and Beerus were doing

There's also the fact that the waves got stronger the further they traveled from Goku and Beerus to the point where Elder Kai stated Goku and Beerus would be annihilated by the force of the destruction of U7 so I never understood why they were considered to have scaled to this feat anyway.

They explain that the reason for that is that Goku's effect of nullifying the energy was diminishing over time, and the further the waves were traveling the less and less energy was being nulled and was becoming destructive once more.

I just don't see how the feat could possibly still be considered 2c in this day and age, especially given later implications where you have Beerus and Whis attempting to convey how Zeno is the most powerful due to him being able to oneshot universes and Champa calling Zeno a "God among Gods" for being able to oneshot U9 and described it as an "insane" feat. Why would they convey Zeno in this manner if the likes of BoG Goku could do the same feat thousands of times over?

That just means Zeno heavily upscales above them. Zeno also has statements he can just blink away the world in an instant and is also capable of erasing all 12 universes if he feels like it

 

[TheFallenProfit]

Their fight doesnt only end one universe, it ends both U6 and U7. Which is infinitely higher than destroying just U7 which was what Goku and Beerus were doing

They explain that the reason for that is that Goku's effect of nullifying the energy was diminishing over time, and the further the waves were traveling the less and less energy was being nulled and was becoming destructive once more.

That just means Zeno heavily upscales above them. Zeno also has statements he can just blink away the world in an instant and is also capable of erasing all 12 universes if he feels like it

That was only the case due to them being located at the point between universes. We see when in the 2nd fight they only threatened U7 just like Beerus and Goku allegedly did.

That's not the explanation, it's explained that Goku was trying to prevent the waves from being created in the first 2 attempts and actually accomplished it on the 3rd by matching Beerus' strength exactly. It's never stated that the energy was getting stronger as a result of diminishing nullification effects. We also know that Elder Kai stated that the 3rd clash would annihilate the universe completely, yet when the 4th clash happened as a result of a beam struggle(which inherently far stronger than physical attacks), the universe isn't destroyed at all and Whis doesn't think the fight is actually dangerous enough to intervene in unlike the destroyer fights

It upscales him in the sense that he's the only one capable of doing so and is in a league of his ownas a result. If BoG Goku alone is 2c, then them glazing how Zeno is "so powerful" that he can "even destroy universes" and is considered a "God among Gods" for being able to do so in an attempt to scare Goku from being casual with him wouldn't make sense. Its like if a character hyped up a new villian to be "so powerful that they can even destroy a planet", it would be nonsensical to hype up such power in the face of characters capable of easily destroying much more.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

This quite literally doesn't address anything of what I said.

"Why is Goku rated 2c"

Shows proof that he was outputting enough power to destroy a 2c universe

"Nuh-uh"


Feel free to make a CRT to change it then

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

"Why is Goku rated 2c"

Shows proof that he was outputting enough power to destroy a 2c universe

"Nuh-uh"


Feel free to make a CRT to change it then

Don't we have a discussion rule for this topic? You can't make a CRT on it then if you don't have any new evidence, which OP didn't provide.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Don't we have a discussion rule for this topic?

Yea we do

You can't make a CRT on it then if you don't have any new evidence, which OP didn't provide.

Pretty much, I simply dropped one of the scans that showed Goku is 2c, whether they accept it or not, it's their problem

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Don't we have a discussion rule for this topic? You can't make a CRT on it then if you don't have any new evidence, which OP didn't provide.

This is a QnA thread. Plus, the rule is for downgrading 2-C based on Goku not retaining the 2-C amp in base, so this thread (if it was a CRT) would be okay.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

It's that thing about the position of a God of destruction "can only destroy the Universe"? I think we've been through this a thousand times, it's mentioned that Goku was using the same strength as Beerus to nullify his energies, and in fact Whis couldn't do anything, because he doesn't interfere in anything in the Universe, only in training can he fight, not that he is inferior to the feat of Beerus and Goku, even because Whis' strength is superior to even Lord Beerus and Goku, if you play around, Whis alone can defeat all 12 Gods of Destruction alone.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

This is a QnA thread. Plus, the rule is for downgrading 2-C based on Goku not retaining the 2-C amp in base, so this thread (if it was a CRT) would be okay.

Heel turn wtf

 

[Greatsage13th]

Heel turn wtf

what is heel turn?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Heel turn wtf

Nah. Gotta be fair, this isn't breaking any rules.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Omegabronic type argument

 

[Ednaxel2]

Omegabronic type argument

Don't think Omega would argue this sort of thing

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Nah. Gotta be fair, this isn't breaking any rules.

I loved you.

But not amymore.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I loved you.

But not amymore.

I am lovely to those that earn it

 

[TheFallenProfit]

"Why is Goku rated 2c"

Shows proof that he was outputting enough power to destroy a 2c universe

"Nuh-uh"


Feel free to make a CRT to change it then

It's not proof, its the narrator making an unjustified claim that the arc goes out of its way repeatedly to prove its wrong. It's no different than Elder Kais incorrect claims.

You completely ignored the Whis argument because you don't have anything against it. If the fight was truly a universal threat, he wouldve intervened and wouldn't have been surprised that Beerus nullified the sdeb which Old Kai kept claiming would cause universal destruction

 

[TheFallenProfit]

It's that thing about the position of a God of destruction "can only destroy the Universe"? I think we've been through this a thousand times, it's mentioned that Goku was using the same strength as Beerus to nullify his energies, and in fact Whis couldn't do anything, because he doesn't interfere in anything in the Universe, only in training can he fight, not that he is inferior to the feat of Beerus and Goku, even because Whis' strength is superior to even Lord Beerus and Goku, if you play around, Whis alone can defeat all 12 Gods of Destruction alone.

The issue is that the reason 2 gods can't fight is because their battles actually threaten the universe their in.

The ramifications of their fights are why they're prohibited from engaging in the act, so why would Goku and Beerus' fight be different if the same ramifications were actually happening?

 

[Emerald]

The issue is that the reason 2 gods can't fight is because their battles actually threaten the universe their in.

its both universes. the place where they are doesn't matter, since to destroy both U6 and U7 you have to generate infinite levels of energy

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

It's not proof, its the narrator making an unjustified claim that the arc goes out of its way repeatedly to prove its wrong. It's no different than Elder Kais incorrect claims.

Ok bruh, the narrator is wrong, suuuuure

You completely ignored the Whis argument because you don't have anything against it.

Because it's a baseless point that should have been left in 2018, but just to be clear

If the fight was truly a universal threat, he wouldve intervened and wouldn't have been surprised that Beerus nullified the sdeb which Old Kai kept claiming would cause universal destruction

Whis isn't gonna do anything because there is no rule against that, two destroyers are explicitly forbidden to fight, that's the only reason the angels interfere, they couldn't care less if someone tried to blow up their universe unless their GoD tells them to do something



Now this is becoming less of a QnA and more of a CRT in disguise

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Now this is becoming less of a QnA and more of a CRT in disguise

Agreed.

@TheFallenProfit
Your question has been answered. I understand it's not to your satisfaction, but regardless, that's how things stand at the moment. If you wish to challenge it, I invite you to make a proper downgrade thread. I will be closing this now.