Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Alexander]

UI being useless is one of the cringest things ive heard.

Hes a bottom level user and that technique is already broken.

The ability is, the transformation...not really

 

[Fezzih_007]

The ability is, the transformation...not really

The ability is not useless trought.

For the conversation that we have, I think you mean that UI is not that impressive compared to others techniques in fiction. Which sure.

But saying is useless now, is just being a hater.

 

[Alexander]

The ability is not useless trought.

For the conversation that we have, I think you mean that UI is not that impressive compared to others techniques in fiction. Which sure.

But saying is useless now, is just being a hater.

but i don't have other word in my mind to describe it, except unimpressive...which is weak for me

 

[Huesito88]

The ability is not useless trought.

For the conversation that we have, I think you mean that UI is not that impressive compared to others techniques in fiction. Which sure.

But saying is useless now, is just being a hater.

Alex must've been reading too many Skill Threads

 

[Ednaxel2]

Remember guys, if your ability is not an overpowered hax made for versus debates, it’s automatically useless

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

^

 

[Sus]

UI is cool and simple

i would like if not everything was a transformation though

 

[Broyswag]

The ability is, the transformation...not really

Do you mean what UI is or with the things it comes?
Its not as broken Hokuton Shinken which is just bullshit be it from inside fighting or if you wanna play the range game but im sure UI gets more broken with time.

This scaling chain here is neat if we just stick to pure H2H traditional martial arts:

Grand Priest > Whis > UI Goku > Roshis fake UI > OG UI, Grandpa Gohan and Master Roshi

Since you dont find it impressive what Gokus UI showed us, what about Roshis pseudo UI being able - only temporarily - to keep up with Jiren easily blitzed Kaioken Blue Goku? Jirens character in manga is more srs and I do know he wasnt allowed to kill cause it was a tournament, but multiple characters incldung Jiren himself expresses surprise.

Gokus UI scales massive above that.

I mean ... i could see two ways of Toyo handling UI:

The first one: make it super broken the better Goku gets. For example I could see Goku getting a "oh crap button" in a deadly situation where his body connects with the angle realm and thus giving him infinite speed. Speed kills, even more so in stats equal battles.

The second: Just make what Goku is good at better and get good enough at other things that are necessary.

I could see number 2 becoming more true in near future and go the route "Everything could work when the right person is equipped with it" and it fits Goku so damn well.

If we check what Gokus UI unlocked:

UI makes Gokus character more srs

UI makes your body as sturdier as necessary and combine that with KI manipulation = you can eat so much above your weight class

It improves your movements passivley which goes hand in hand with Gokus whole character of getting better and stronger during a fight

Granola whole sthick reading you on a cellular level didnt work

Honestly ...even at this stage Goku is such a monster counter to most pressure point fighters, lol.

 

[Sparkive]

It's the only suitable rating I could think of for it, the only postive I can think of is that it (Well, the movie version did it first) that it gave us one of Goku and Vegeta's best outfits.

The saga has positives and importance for Super:
1.- This is where the development of Gohan, Krillin and Frieza begins
2.-....
Just the first point, everything else is exceptionally bad

 

[Sparkive]

Guys where is my Manga Gohan profile

Also Manga Goten and Trunks profile (maybe a team profile for them as the great saiyaman x1 and x2)

I want a Beerus profile, at this point there should be enough differences in abilities and stats (now that the cosmologies have become more differentiated than before)

 

[Sparkive]

Ficcion Sin Limites (Fiction without limits)is a spanish wiki for power scaling

I was there for a while... I remember it was terrible, but I don't remember why.

I thought they changed the name

 

[Sparkive]

And I just read like 5 pages in 30 minutes (I just had to ignore the Hypertime discussion)

 

[Ednaxel2]

And I just read like 5 pages in 30 minutes (I just had to ignore the Hypertime discussion)

I’m gonna speed run it to beat your time

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Guys where is my Manga Gohan profile

i've been thinking about it but i avoid doing saiyan pages like the plague cuz i hate having to cover their ******* physiology

 

[Omegabronic]

i've been thinking about it but i avoid doing saiyan pages like the plague cuz i hate having to cover their ******* physiology

There is a sandbox for it that @Phsccarvalho did and i helped, for irl reasons i wasn't able to make a thread for, you can ask him and then we get that out of the way

 

[Phsccarvalho]

One of the most unbelievable things I discovered doing this is that the SSB multiplier was only accepted after the anime ended.

Crazy.

 

[Vietthai96]

Can someone show me Saiyan Physiology Sandbox??, for research purpose obviously

 

[DivineAura44]

One of the most unbelievable things I discovered doing this is that the SSB multiplier was only accepted after the anime ended.

Crazy.

Wait til' you learn how long after Dragon Ball Z ended Kaioken got its multiplier.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Should I hunt down the Resurrection 'F' Film Animation Comic for the manga Gohan page or just use the movie itself?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

nvm already bought a digital copy for like $3

 

[Nullflowerblush]

i've never been so infuriated with a piece of supplementary material before

 

[Nullflowerblush]

This is worse than useless information—this is categorically false.

 

[Huesito88]

This is worse than useless information—this is categorically false.

So Gohan is secretly Evil in personality

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Trying to figure out where Resurrection 'F' Gohan even stands.
Is he stronger than Piccolo in base, or does he absolutely require Super Saiyan to reach his level?
Is he weaker than in Battle of Gods? Back to early Majin Buu Saga level?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Uhm??????????? Android 18 says her Power Level is "much higher than all of yours" when she suggests joining the fight to Krillin?????

 

[Nullflowerblush]

At the very least, Gohan is confident he can defeat all of Frieza's soldiers, and Frieza himself asserts he can defeat them all in an instant.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Fire Force had all the 5D things, but nooooo, Dragon ball one is better than the in literraly statements of a realm which is a higher dimension

Ironically enough fire force did get upgraded off that statement. It’s just that not every higher dimension is 5D+

Dang it I was planning on doing high godly regen negation for Zeno

there’d be no point if it’s only one hax he’s receiving.

 

[Sus]

shouldn't the spirit bomb get regeneration negation? since buu couldn't regenerate from it

possibly vegito too, since he could finish off buu if he wanted

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

shouldn't the spirit bomb get regeneration negation? since buu couldn't regenerate from it

possibly vegito too, since he could finish off buu if he wanted

It won't be accepted i'm sure, people will invent an excuse of "greater power" as happened with atomic manipulation or something similar.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

shouldn't the spirit bomb get regeneration negation? since buu couldn't regenerate from it

possibly vegito too, since he could finish off buu if he wanted

Iirc, arguments are that it could have destroyed buu at a greater level than he could regenerate (mid-high)

 

[Sus]

It won't be accepted i'm sure, people will invent an excuse of "greater power" as happened with atomic manipulation or something similar.

it's pretty straightforward

buu can regenerate from vapor

vegito says that if he was to vaporize buu, buu will not regenerate (he even tested it on his head tail)

the spirit bomb straight up killed buu

Iirc, arguments are that it could have destroyed buu at a greater level than he could regenerate (mid-high)

not to invoke whataboutism, but when someone kills a mid high reg character, they get reg neg, not some atomic level shaningans

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I don't guarantee this will work anyway, it's always the same argument, but now maybe regeneration has a limit.

 

[Sus]

ehhhh, vegito's statement is crystal clear in my opinion

but wtv, not gonna try anyway

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

not to invoke whataboutism, but when someone kills a mid high reg character, they get reg neg, not some atomic level shaningans

Just telling you the reason it has been rejected before

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

not to invoke whataboutism, but when someone kills a mid high reg character, they get reg neg, not some atomic level shaningans

Not necessarily. You only get auto regen neg for killing a character with low godly or beyond. I'm not sure about High, though.

Otherwise, regeneration can be overcome with AP. Reason characters may have Mid-High regen neg is if they kill a character without disintegrating their whole body, like Heroes Dabura killed Buu by just slashing his body, without disintegrating it at whole.

 

[Sus]

Just telling you the reason it has been rejected before

yeah i know, not targeting anything at u

Not necessarily. You only get auto regen neg for killing a character with low godly or beyond. I'm not sure about High, though.

Otherwise, regeneration can be overcome with AP. Reason characters may have Mid-High regen neg is if they kill a character without disintegrating their whole body, like Heroes Dabura killed Buu by just slashing his body, without disintegrating it at whole.

in the panel where vegito threatened to kill buu, there was leftover vapor, which buu could regenerate from earlier

i can see the "completely disintegrating his body" argument on the spirit bomb, though (it's still a reach imo, as mid high regen requires atomic destruction to overcome)

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

in the panel where vegito threatened to kill buu, there was leftover vapor, which buu could regenerate from earlier

It doesn't necessarily mean Vegito wasn't going to erase the vapor too in case he ended up killing Buu. "I'm going to kill you" and one attack leaving vapor behind is not near enough to grant regeneration negation.

 

[Sus]

buu couldn't regenerate his antenna thingy either

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Well, if Buu's regeneration got weakened due to Vegito, then yeah I guess you can give it a try in a CRT.

 

[Tom4t0GG789]

According to the Dragon Ball Wiki, it says that there is a Japanese and English version of The Legend of Manga, Dragon Ball guide

But in the profiles I see them using the Spanish version

So I have that doubt. Does that version exist?
:V