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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Nullflowerblush
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Okay, in my defense, Cell literally uses Third Grade Super Saiyan.
Spinoirr
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Also Super perfect Cell is basically ssj2
Nullflowerblush
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ehhh, i still don't buy that.
Besides, if Cell had grown twice as powerful, that'd make SSJ Gohan is as strong as Powerweighted Cell, and base Gohan as strong as Babidi Saga SSJ Gohan.
Besides, if Cell had grown twice as powerful, that'd make SSJ Gohan is as strong as Powerweighted Cell, and base Gohan as strong as Babidi Saga SSJ Gohan.
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I mean, Gohan had gotten weaker in the Buu Saga…
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Didn't SSJ2 Gohan also recieve a rage boost that his SSJ self wasn't tapping into? We can avoid backscaling issues.
Nullflowerblush
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The rage boost was Super Saiyan 2; Gohan drawing upon the fullest extent of his dormant power at the time.
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Wasn’t this interpretation changed with Topaz’s thread?
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Doesn't make a lot of sense to me; characters can go Super Saiyan 2 without being enraged, and characters can receive a rage boost with going through a transformation. They're two separate things.
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Examples for both the former and latter can be seen in Goku’s SSJ2 against Majin Vegeta (former) and Vegeta’s rage boost against Beerus (latter). By all accounts, Gohan’s rage can further amplify his SSJ2’s powers.
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Few questions.
First of all, it seems aware of the fact that the Afterlife having no time is immensely contradicted, but, however, one thing I'm confused on, is that, despite all this, the scans used to dictate that the Afterlife having 0 time is contradicted is kind of skeptical to me; with scans like these confirming that the entire macrocosm has the same time flow. Doesn't this contradict with the fact that in general, the realms are spatiotemporally separated since everything just operates under a single timeflow?
And also, what else could have Goku have meant in the context of that statement if what he said was contradicted this much? Not to mention, this same thing was even stated twice. Heck, even four times. So, I find it arguable that this is merely a "outlier" or a contradicting statement when it's been stated numerous times.
Second of all, I'm confused on the quantity of timelines within DB. It's been explained and shown that there a total of 7 timelines manifested through changes in the past, I don't need to explain or go in more detail on this. But, at the same time -- we have statements like these. That contradict that idea. Ableit, the last one can be argued to simply not be time-rings since it was never explained in-depth on what they are.
First of all, it seems aware of the fact that the Afterlife having no time is immensely contradicted, but, however, one thing I'm confused on, is that, despite all this, the scans used to dictate that the Afterlife having 0 time is contradicted is kind of skeptical to me; with scans like these confirming that the entire macrocosm has the same time flow. Doesn't this contradict with the fact that in general, the realms are spatiotemporally separated since everything just operates under a single timeflow?
And also, what else could have Goku have meant in the context of that statement if what he said was contradicted this much? Not to mention, this same thing was even stated twice. Heck, even four times. So, I find it arguable that this is merely a "outlier" or a contradicting statement when it's been stated numerous times.
Second of all, I'm confused on the quantity of timelines within DB. It's been explained and shown that there a total of 7 timelines manifested through changes in the past, I don't need to explain or go in more detail on this. But, at the same time -- we have statements like these. That contradict that idea. Ableit, the last one can be argued to simply not be time-rings since it was never explained in-depth on what they are.
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(Unsourced translations in red.)
Gohan, specifically, possesses an "unconscious gentleness", limiting his power, and said power is only fully unleashed when his emotions reach their peak, such as when his friends or family are in danger or when fear takes over and he goes "berserk", but he cannot freely control it; anger, for example, is merely a catalyst for his full power to awaken. Holding back is a defining characteristic of Gohan's, even in the face of the destruction of the entire solar system because he values all life, and he ends up battling without realizing his own strength until it is absolutely required (see Namek Saga). Super Saiyan 2 is the natural evolution of Gohan's expression of his dormant power via emotions like anger, even being described as Gohan's "dormant power [awakened]" and his "full power", and his natural strength pushed to its limits, rather than strength being enhanced by a rage boost.
Nullflowerblush
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Besides, Gohan never exploded into rage after transforming like, say, Vegeta exploded on Beerus (lol.). He was actively playing games with Cell, a fact further expanded upon in grave detail in the TV anime, but I don't care about the anime all that much.
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being a separated space doesn't mean that the time flow is not the same, for all we know they can be different in such a small scale that it doesn't matter much
this.....isn't talking about the afterlife tho? also this is toei continuity only
if time doesn't exist there......then how does time flow in the outside of the dimension from the perspective of the ones inside it?
this is pilaf questioning it, he can, and is proven to be, wrong given the overweling evidence of only 5 timelines existing, and them only being created with Time Travel altering history
what's this?
this isn't a statement, this.....doesn't have anything to prove anything about timelines really, that room is never detailed nor has evidence of having time rings in all boxes, at most we get a statement that Gowasu thinks of it a safe place for all 5 time rings in the singular box that is ever shown
yep
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Except he was able to fully control and tap into SSJ2 both after Goku died and he reverted to normal SSJ and in the Buu Saga against Kibito, so there is some facet of control there after the form is unlocked.
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Main reason why I barely participate myself.
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On god we really need Daima to come out.
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4 months and a few days left, calm down.
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Hopefully it rebunks the infinte universe statement and represents the demon realm as a universal sized realm
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I mean, a bigger question is how exactly the DAIMA Demon Realm will jive with Toriyama’s Demon Realm lore he made up for Online which was expanded in DBH/SDBH and XV1-2. Like, while I definitely doubt it will, if DAIMA canonized all of those materials we’d have a real problem in our hands. Conversely, if it’s not canonized, considering how Divers will probably continue with/expand the lore of Heroes, how will it reconcile the two?
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If you have DBH and DBXV it would be interesting, although it was the same shared cosmology
CelestialVortex01
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“A realm that is beyond the concept of space and time”
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“Containing infinte spatial dimensions stacked above of each other creating an infinte hierarchy, and the one and only to transcend it is the Omni king”
I genuinely want to write the script
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I genuinely want to write the script
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There's an infinite amount of hyperbolic time chambers in universe 7 each with there own different time lengths and all the other 11 universes has there own infinite hyperbolic time chambers.
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Lol“A realm that is beyond the concept of space and time”
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“Containing infinte spatial dimensions stacked above of each other creating an infinte hierarchy, and the one and only to transcend it is the Omni king”
I genuinely want to write the script
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The funniest part is if Koyama gets his hands on canon Dragon Ball he’s going to have it bathe in the equivalent of a power scaler meth-river and people will finally have the 1-A Goku they desperately crave.
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i assume it will be a few months before end of Z tops
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It has to be post U6vU7 because Kibito and Shin are unfused. However, it’s still before EoZ. So it’s likely some place between U6vU7 and Superhero, or directly after ignoring any new Manga-Exclusive Arc.
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Why is it called Divers.
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To be frank, no, because canonizing it would canonize almost all Dragon Ball media. Would be a nightmare.
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Because they…Dive into the game? I honestly have no clue whatsoever.
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Bring on the Chaos!
Nullflowerblush
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Honestly, I just them to reference Jiya and Sachie-chan in a major capacity.
Sucks neither of them appeared in the Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga.
Sucks neither of them appeared in the Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga.
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