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He's currently >40x already. Third Form Frieza < Base Goku < Kaio-ken x20 Goku =< 50% Final Form Frieza < 100% Final Form Frieza
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Majestic Attire Susano'o is the strongest Jutsu or something, so that upscales.
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Every transformation multiplies Frieza's strength by many-fold, and they additionally increase Frieza's latent power.
Final Form Frieza can be twice as powerful as Third Form Frieza when he first appears and still be over forty-times stronger at full power.
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I don't see why we'd make an assumption like that, that him suppressed was twice as strong as Third Form Frieza
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How is that an unreasonable "assumption"?
- Transforming was a strenuous effort, and when he finally did, his Ki exploded, which never occurred before.
- His Ki was "incredibly huge", even when compared to his Third Form.
- He completely blitzed Piccolo, Gohan, Krillin, and Vegeta, whereas before, Piccolo could narrowly dodge a Death Beam and co. could spectate.
- He "gently" deflected Vegeta's greatest attack without effort, despite Vegeta supposedly growing powerful enough to battle his Third Form.
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Could the narrowed Final Flash destroying a far-out celestial body be calculated in any capacity?
I know it's a pipe dream, but I'd like to be able to apply that—an extension of this panel from the original series—towards the scaling chain.
Y'know, so Frieza's calculation has a friend.
I know it's a pipe dream, but I'd like to be able to apply that—an extension of this panel from the original series—towards the scaling chain.
Y'know, so Frieza's calculation has a friend.
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I didn't mean it as an "unreasonable assumption" that it was impossible, any multiplier can fit in the context just fine whether it be 2x or even a billion, I just didn't think we should take a statement about overall form multiplier and apply that to the context of a character's suppressed power in their next form. Though with these instances would could say the jump from Third Form to suppressed Final Form was larger than any previous power up Frieza had based on how it's touted and presented
You can, you can say each pixel is larger than the whole structure of the celestial body since it is just THAT small in the distance and calc the explosion size based off that.
But the issue is "what kind of a celestial body is it"? since it can range from asteroids/comets to even stars/nebulas/galaxies
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I wouldn't include two or three different equally important topics in a thread. Could complicate the discussion for it.
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A thread that isn't cosmology based? What are the odds
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I was thinking inverse square law, like the Cell calculation.
Guess we could calculate all of them and choose the most reasonable end?
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I'm not sure how to do something like that but it could work
Yea sure
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I haven't seen this yet, is it good?
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Goku too easy would be difficult for Ichigo to handle Goku who is 2-C and has resistance to soul destruction.
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I'm working on launching a series of Summer of Toei
upgrades. Stay tuned.
upgrades. Stay tuned.
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Real talk I've had a question in mind and sb already mentioned it b4 me if magically the 5D smurf Hax gets accepted would that change Jiren's tier for breaking time cage with his strength?
And would it affect the higher tiers in db?
And would it affect the higher tiers in db?
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They would have resistance to 5D time stop
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I really hope option 2 gets acceptedLet's go only 1 left for this to be over, where are the administrators?
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Me tooI really hope option 2 gets accepted
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I don't even know if I'm using this formula correctly, but I plugged in the distance to the next planet over, Mars, (i.e., the beam length) divided by half for the "explosion radius", and got about 4.38229305e+42 joules, but I'm 99% certain that's 100% wrong. And, also, like lower than what Super Vegeta currently scales to so...
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What did that guide statement say again? I recall there being one about this
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I can't say I'm familiar, honestly.
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Probably'll do five back-to-back threads, then.
First, Frieza—the easiest. Then, Cell. Next, arguing for a 2x multiplier for Four Witches Techniques for Tien. Finally, Post-Ultra Divine Water Goku being 10x stronger than before. Then, depending on which threads are accepted, I can wrap it all up with a scaling chain adjustment.
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Dang that would downgrade Toei Goku since his previous keys downscale from Post-Divine Water, but if it's the truth then let it speak
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I think most of you guys remember this, but in the Buu Saga after Goku went SS3, his power was stated to've reach the Kaioshin Realm
Would this be a speed feat of any kind? Like an MFTL+ attack speed feat or a MFTL+ aura expansion type feat etc etc? And would it also give him 3-A range?
Would this be a speed feat of any kind? Like an MFTL+ attack speed feat or a MFTL+ aura expansion type feat etc etc? And would it also give him 3-A range?
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It wasn't an attack, so it wouldn't be listed as attack speed.
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It's been a while so I'd probably need to see the video of this happening. Could you maybe post it here if possible?
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attack speed, aura speed, whatever I just think it'd matter somewhat even if it ain't useful in verses situations most of the times
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I mean, ehhhh…How Ki Sensory is relative to speed is inconsistent. Like how in Namek Saga they could sense the Ginyu’s moving in their interstellar speed/traveling attack pods, but not in combat. Implying speed is tied to energy sensing to some degree. Same with flight. Or Gohan being able to see the Saibamen in combat via harnessing that sense. However, in RoF Gohan’s Ki Expanded to signal Goku to teleport and it had nothing to do with any actual speed at all. Same with Goku going to sense Vegeta for training in DBS to Beerus planet. Though maybe it could be Instant Transmission weirdness.
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Heres a thread on it
SSJ3 Goku 4-B/4-A Justification Change
I read on SSJ3 Goku's profile that his 4-A rating is currently explained with: Comparable to Anime Kid Buu, who gradually obliterated entire galaxies) I believe this should be replaced with his own 4-A feat that he has, which would be cited before scaling. The Feat After Goku transforms...
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It's not about them noticing Goku's power from another planet, it's about how Gokus power is able to reach the kaioshin realm from Earth
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I didn’t realize that it was actual force and not just them sending his Ki from far away.
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Do you agree with speed?
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Do a calculation, this was supposed to be used for the manga, right?
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yeah but I'm not sure what to make of it
In the thread I linked above there's a distinction between power and ki, meaning this is not a ki expansion feat but more so an explosion like feat, where Goku's "explosion" or giant force generated after becoming a Super Saiyan 3 was able to travel to and reach the Kaioshin Realm. I'm not saying this is AP worthy for measurements since it didn't affect anything in that distance, but it is a speed feat since this is a force Goku generates that is THAT fast
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Yes this is both an anime and manga feat. I did a calculation for this feat that get it to a pretty high rating:
Goku's power reaches the Kaiōshin Realm
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