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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Nullflowerblush said:
Honestly, I just them to reference Jiya and Sachie-chan in a major capacity.

Sucks neither of them appeared in the Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga.
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See I was thinking something similar. It’s incredibly odd to me Toriyama didn’t make a reference to it when he’s like, a cameo spammer. Dude went out of his way to reference Tarble in BoG and Broly, Goku in Neko Majin, GT in Dr. Slump, (as well as Dragon Quest), literally brought on Jaco and the Galactic Patrol (as well as Tights), in RoF, brought in Dr. Slump characters for Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and probably was the one to pitch Dr. Slump in DBS, etc. Dude cannot help himself.
 
RedReaper616 said:
It has to be post U6vU7 because Kibito and Shin are unfused. However, it’s still before EoZ. So it’s likely some place between U6vU7 and Superhero, or directly after ignoring any new Manga-Exclusive Arc.
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I thought about that too, I think it must take place before the Black saga or something like that? Although I wouldn't be surprised if it was after Super Hero in some way lol
 
omegabronic said:
being a separated space doesn't mean that the time flow is not the same, for all we know they can be different in such a small scale that it doesn't matter much
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Wdym? The scans, simply putting it, proves that the entire Macrocosm has the same time flow, and so, it contradicts the fact that the realms have a spatiotemporal separation, right? If you're proposing that the realms have a different flow of time in the sense that it's in an immensely small scale, in the sense of seconds or whatever, then it's something you need to prove.
omegabronic said:
this.....isn't talking about the afterlife tho? also this is toei continuity only
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This is a statement in the Afterlife that is referring to the Living World. The entities in the Afterlife are claiming that Goku cannot go to the "temporal world," thereby concluding the fact that the Afterlife has no time flow since it itself is not being considered temporal.
omegabronic said:
what's this?
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Basically a guidebook of one of the DB games.
 
Hold on, I might be wrong but I've heard that it took place in the time skip between post buu saga and Battle of gods which also didn't make any sense since both kibito and shin were fused
 
Nierre said:
the manga isn't that bad im actually enjoying it
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Speaking of manga, I can't wait for it to return. I wonder if Toyotaro will take over in place of Akira, now that the master has passed away. I would say he will be completely responsible for creating the story. Or maybe Sasuke (Akira's son) will take over. I just hope things get better. 🙏
 
I saw people talking about some big revision for spacetime standards where the HTCs could be passed as Low 2-C constructs or something. Is that an upcoming Staff Discussion thread or is it already being talked about somewhere?
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Not yet, but it will be soon!
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Interesting. It'd be huge for the DB cosmology if it were to pass but I wonder how strict it's going to be. For example, could the Demon Realm be accepted as a Low 2-C construct even if it's a small realm? Would Hit's Pocket Dimension be accepted as Low 2-C reality creation? Things like that.

It'd be great if we got confirmation of how many HTCs exist in the multiverse. With enough of them we could justify the multiverse being a 2-B construct inside of the Low 1-C timeline.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
Interesting. It'd be huge for the DB cosmology if it were to pass but I wonder how strict it's going to be. For example, could the Demon Realm be accepted as a Low 2-C construct even if it's a small realm? Would Hit's Pocket Dimension be accepted as Low 2-C reality creation? Things like that.
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Maybe with Dragon Ball Daima we would get an accurate size of the demonic realm
CryoTheMayo said:
It'd be great if we got confirmation of how many HTCs exist in the multiverse. With enough of them we could justify the multiverse being a 2-B construct inside of the Low 1-C timeline.
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Everything I most desire, It would be time for cosmology to be made up of infinite HTCs
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Everything I most desire, It would be time for cosmology to be made up of infinite HTCs
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The HTCs are the most mysterious thing in Dragon Ball. Even more so than the Demon Realm which is explored in Heroes and is being canonically explored in Daima now. We know nothing about what the HTCs are besides voids with different flows of time. The only thing matching them in mystery for me would be the World of Void.

Since the manga has been adding new Time Chambers nearly each saga since the USS (Moro HTC, Granolah HTC) I have hopes he's setting something up for them. Maybe he'll also add the Whis dimension to the manga canon, the one where Goku and Vegeta learn Super Saiyan Blue in the anime and is stated to be just like Earth's chamber.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Thinking I might merge my Frieza and Cell upgrades into a single thread since they both affect the scaling chain majorly.
Could throw in the Tien and Ultra Divine Water Goku stuff as well.
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This reminds me. In the Z Anime Goku’s powers are doubled from a fruit he eats in a filler episode, so the scaling chain for Toei should be increased.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
Interesting. It'd be huge for the DB cosmology if it were to pass but I wonder how strict it's going to be. For example, could the Demon Realm be accepted as a Low 2-C construct even if it's a small realm? Would Hit's Pocket Dimension be accepted as Low 2-C reality creation? Things like that.

It'd be great if we got confirmation of how many HTCs exist in the multiverse. With enough of them we could justify the multiverse being a 2-B construct inside of the Low 1-C timeline.
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with that based standard, DB macrocosm would have like 12 universes
 
TiltedFN said:
with that based standard, DB macrocosm would have like 12 universes
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If each macrocosm is accepted as having the same number of spacetimes then that'd make the DB Multiverse 144 universes. And if Zeno had Low 1-C removed for some reason he would be 216 Universes (18 original macrocosms x 12).

Either way the DBS Anime top tiers could be upgraded to 24 universes while manga would stick to 12 universes for now.

Actually after some thought the cosmology is being uncomposited right? If so then the DBS Anime cosmology wouldn't get the Merus and Freeza HTCs, making it 10 Universes whereas the manga would be 12 Universes. Then the GoD scaling would make Anime top tiers 20 universes.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
The HTCs are the most mysterious thing in Dragon Ball. Even more so than the Demon Realm which is explored in Heroes and is being canonically explored in Daima now. We know nothing about what the HTCs are besides voids with different flows of time. The only thing matching them in mystery for me would be the World of Void.

Since the manga has been adding new Time Chambers nearly each saga since the USS (Moro HTC, Granolah HTC) I have hopes he's setting something up for them. Maybe he'll also add the Whis dimension to the manga canon, the one where Goku and Vegeta learn Super Saiyan Blue in the anime and is stated to be just like Earth's chamber.
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I have a strange theory, that it's the 6 Universes that Zeno erased, all the Universes that Zeno erased are shown in the same color



Zeno also erases Universe 9 and we saw it showing the same color, through Whis' staff




Well, HTC has that same color left by Zeno when he completely destroyed the timeline



In other words, Zeno with his EE caused all the HTCs in her Universe 7, each of which is spread over several Universes.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
I saw people talking about some big revision for spacetime standards where the HTCs could be passed as Low 2-C constructs or something. Is that an upcoming Staff Discussion thread or is it already being talked about somewhere?
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Likely not coming anytime soon. It's an upcoming revision from Ultima, only it's one he's mentioned planning since quite a while ago, so it's likely on the backseat of his future revisions considering his current plans.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
In other words, Zeno with his EE caused all the HTCs in her Universe 7, each of which is spread over several Universes.
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I've had similar thoughts in the past. HTCs being gateways to dead universes would be really cool. If that turned out to be the case then there should be at least 6 HTCs that exist. One for each erased universe. And possibly doorways to the other existing universes.

ProfectusInfinity said:
Likely not coming anytime soon. It's an upcoming revision from Ultima, only it's one he's mentioned planning since quite a while ago, so it's likely on the backseat of his future revisions considering his current plans.
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That's a slight shame but I waited like 2 years for the Elder Scrolls cosmology blog to be released so I can be patient.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
I've had similar thoughts in the past. HTCs being gateways to dead universes would be really cool. If that turned out to be the case then there should be at least 6 HTCs that exist. One for each erased universe. And possibly doorways to the other existing universes.


That's a slight shame but I waited like 2 years for the Elder Scrolls cosmology blog to be released so I can be patient.
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It might come soon, who knows
 
Nierre said:
When?
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The episode he falls off of Snake Way.

EDIT: Episode Title is Global Training. He eats it in the trip to Snake Way, which just means that characters who nebulously scale in that range should be increased to double his Raditz fight strength if they don’t already scale to Raditz.
 
Can't wait for low 2-C Obito due to his mangekyo Sharingan creating a different spacetime
 
Borutonarutodebunked said:
funny step above the highest steps (infinite)that have inaccessible power gaps between each other to the "roots" of all evil. On an other note, on this character profile for the angel, does this actually mentions higher level of existence?
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Yeah, I recall seeing this and talking about it with friends. I don't know Japanese so I can only show the original text and ChatGPT translation.

Original
界王神も破壊神も優秀ため、他の宇宙に比べ苦労が少ない。２人をさらに上の存在へと押し上げようと考えている
ChatGPT translation
The Supreme Kai and the God of Destruction are both so excellent that they have fewer difficulties compared to other universes. They are thinking of elevating the two to an even higher existence.

It seems vague what it actually means by elevating to an 'even higher existence'. I would interpret it as some sort of higher position in the cosmic hierarchy but we have no concept of a position between GoD/Supreme Kai and Angel in the franchise. A more knowledgeable person could probably deduce the nuance in the original text.
 
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