Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[RedReaper616]

From my point of view on the scene, Gero declares that he became an android to live longer and therefore can investigate more to obtain eternal life, perhaps my intention was not clear when translated.

No, he says he wanted Eternal Life as a response to 18–As in, the reason why he’s a robot is because, according to him, it’ll make him live forever.

Longevity, there is no estimate of life span but it is not even close to equal to eternal life.

Yes, however we see pretty clearly in Future Trunks’ timeline that they don’t age whatsoever. They killed everyone when Gohan was just a kid, and they lived up until Trunks was nearly a grown man, age wise. They are quite effectively, although not literally, ageless. Thus, him saying he can get Eternal Life from his procedure (which makes him more machine than them), is well founded. Especially since he can just…keep creating bodies.

 

[Cass5373]

No, he says he wanted Eternal Life as a response to 18–As in, the reason why he’s a robot is because, according to him, it’ll make him live forever.

Yes, however we see pretty clearly in Future Trunks’ timeline that they don’t age whatsoever. They killed everyone when Gohan was just a kid, and they lived up until Trunks was nearly a grown man, age wise. They are quite effectively, although not literally, ageless. Thus, him saying he can get Eternal Life from his procedure (which makes him more machine than them), is well founded. Especially since he can just…keep creating bodies.

Yes, you are right about that. 17 and 18 are the type that age slowly and yes, if they tell you that they age slowly it is obvious that the duration of their life stages will be longer.

 

[Cass5373]

But Gero says (at least in the scan) that he is "wanted" eternal life, not that he has achieved it.

 

[Omegabronic]

Sure, in real life yes (if immortality existed...) but we are talking about immortality made with magic (an attribute that Cell never demonstrated) and not with a biological explanation involved.

the default assumption would be that his cells/biology was altered to never age, and the story doesn't give us a reason to ever think otherwise

 

[RedReaper616]

But Gero says (at least in the scan) that he is "wanted" eternal life, not that he has achieved it.

He says he turned himself into a robot because he wanted it, as in past tense. Years ago, when he wanted eternal life, he gave himself a robot body. Now, whether or not he was really effective in that goal is another matter, but we for certain know what he meant in this interaction.

 

[Cass5373]

the default assumption would be that his cells/biology was altered to never age, and the story doesn't give us a reason to ever think otherwise

Surely there is logic like that in some story but I don't see that in dB that background has been given to Piccolo's wish... This is a circle, brother. Create what you want with the arguments you have at hand.

 

[Omegabronic]

Surely there is logic like that in some story but I don't see that in dB that background has been given to Piccolo's wish...

i mean......when basic logic would dictate a conclusion, said conclusion doesn't need to be directly stated, specially when the verse doesn't give us anything to doubt the said logic in the first place

This is a circle, brother. Create what you want with the arguments you have at hand.

do not understand what you meant by this

 

[Cass5373]

Well, do the crt to give type 1 immortality to the androids now what is missing is some evidence for Cell's case since as we know he does not have the same abilities as the androids since he does not have infinite energy and he gets tired with exhausting fights and prolonged.

 

[Cass5373]

i mean......when basic logic would dictate a conclusion, said conclusion doesn't need to be directly stated, specially when the verse doesn't give us anything to doubt the said logic in the first place


do not understand what you meant by this

So you draw conclusions without evidence? In the case of the verse, we can see how it is based on magic/ki to give a logic to the supernatural powers that coexist with the logic of real life.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Thought you all might find this amusing

 

[Jinsama]

Once Multiversal Cell is done, im ready for outer Mr. Satan

 

[Omegabronic]

So you draw conclusions without evidence?

i presented evidence, it is.....the most basic way aging works

In the case of the verse, we can see how it is based on magic/ki to give a logic to the supernatural powers that coexist with the logic of real life.

do you have any evidence that the way his eternal life was not by altering his biology? because i already showed proof that for one to remain forever young their cells would need to be altered by default

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Once Multiversal Cell is done, im ready for outer Mr. Satan

I find it funny that the dub says it's making the whole Earth shake, but the sub says the whole universe lmao

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I find it funny that the dub says it's making the whole Earth shake, but the sub says the whole universe lmao

Dubbing must have been done poorly

 

[Cass5373]

i presented evidence, it is.....the most basic way aging works


do you have any evidence that the way his eternal life was not by altering his biology? because i already showed proof that for one to remain forever young their cells would need to be altered by default

Isn't Shenlong a being made by the magic of kami sama? Doesn't he use magic to manipulate reality and grant wishes? I don't remember the background of the wish he asked Shenlong in that way being specified...

 

[Omegabronic]

Isn't Shenlong a being made by the magic of kami sama? Doesn't he use magic to manipulate reality and grant wishes? I don't remember the background of the wish he asked Shenlong in that way being specified...

yes and yes, he alters reality with his wishing powers.........don't see how that has anything to do with the topic at hand

 

[Cass5373]

yes and yes, he alters reality with his wishing powers.........don't see how that has anything to do with the topic at hand

According to your logic, I can theorize in the same way that Shenlong stops and reverses the time of the characters' bodies at a specific age, there is evidence of that, no and for this reason I ask you for the guide/chapter of the manga that specifies what you are stating .

 

[Cass5373]

yes and yes, he alters reality with his wishing powers.........don't see how that has anything to do with the topic at hand

That's why I ask you to share the DB guide where the theory you have about the wish that Piccolo made to Shenlong is affirmed.

 

[Omegabronic]

According to your logic, I can theorize in the same way that Shenlong stops and reverses the time of the characters' bodies at a specific age

which we know isn't the case since piccolo grew to his current appearance from a child appearance, plus saying that a time hax is involved rather than their biology simply making them not age is.......quite a bigger assumption don't you think?

, there is evidence of that, no and for this reason I ask you for the guide/chapter of the manga that specifies what you are stating .

again, that is just the basics of how aging works and what one would need for them to not age, it is.......very basic logic

 

[Omegabronic]

That's why I ask you to share the DB guide where the theory you have about the wish that Piccolo made to Shenlong is affirmed.

theory? i wouldn't go that far to call it that, age happens because of x, they don't age anymore, so the x was altered to not happen, that is not a theory, it is only logical

 

[Cass5373]

The wish implied that he was in his "best moment" Piccolo's growth was very rapid for a normal Namekian and we know that in db there are long-lasting wishes like that from Bardock to Torombo.

 

[Cass5373]

theory? i wouldn't go that far to call it that, age happens because of x, they don't age anymore, so the x was altered to not happen, that is not a theory, it is only logical

Who says that Piccolo's wish couldn't temporarily manipulate his physiology even at his peak instead of manipulating him biologically as you claim?

 

[Cass5373]

theory? i wouldn't go that far to call it that, age happens because of x, they don't age anymore, so the x was altered to not happen, that is not a theory, it is only logical

And let's go with the same thing, I told you that your theory is as valid as mine, there are no implications of biological manipulation or temporal manipulation in them beyond "reversing" and "keeping Piccolo at his best."

 

[Omegabronic]

The wish implied that he was in his "best moment" Piccolo's growth was very rapid for a normal Namekian and we know that in db there are long-lasting wishes like that from Bardock to Torombo.

how do we know this? legit question btw

Who says that Piccolo's wish couldn't temporarily manipulate his physiology even at his peak instead of manipulating him biologically as you claim?

........physiology is but branch of biology that deals with the normal functions of living organisms and their parts, aka..........you just agreed with me

And let's go with the same thing, I told you that your theory is as valid as mine, there are no implications of biological manipulation or temporal manipulation in them beyond "reversing" and "keeping Piccolo at his best."

yeah, but one is a logical conclusion based on the very mechanics of how aging works.......the other is an unfounded possibility supported by nothing

 

[Cass5373]

theory? i wouldn't go that far to call it that, age happens because of x, they don't age anymore, so the x was altered to not happen, that is not a theory, it is only logical

My theory also uses logic, a functional logic for itself but that does not make it true without facts that support it.

 

[Cass5373]

how do we know this? legit question btw


........physiology is but branch of biology that deals with the normal functions of living organisms and their parts, aka..........you just agreed with me


yeah, but one is a logical conclusion based on the very mechanics of how aging works.......the other is an unfounded possibility supported by nothing

And the internal logic of DB that explains what you claim?

 

[Omegabronic]

My theory also uses logic, a functional logic for itself but that does not make it true without facts that support it.

why the multipost for the same post? why not write all in 1 post?

 

[Cass5373]

how do we know this? legit question btw


........physiology is but branch of biology that deals with the normal functions of living organisms and their parts, aka..........you just agreed with me


yeah, but one is a logical conclusion based on the very mechanics of how aging works.......the other is an unfounded possibility supported by nothing

The fact is that you don't understand what I'm trying to imply, it will most likely be lost in the translator.

 

[Cass5373]

why the multipost for the same post? why not write all in 1 post?

Because I'm used to Twitter

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

The fact is that you don't understand what I'm trying to imply, it will most likely be lost in the translator.

I trust you, newbie

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

@Robo432343 Would have asked in private but uh, ur profile is limited so.... I'd appreciate if you credited me or just linked my blog instead of copy-pasting everything word for word and saying you found it yourself. (Yes ik most of these scans are everywhere but copy pasting word for word and whatnot instead of just linking is weird). Thanks

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

@Robo432343 Would have asked in private but uh, ur profile is limited so.... I'd appreciate if you credited me or just linked my blog instead of copy-pasting everything word for word and saying you found it yourself. (Yes ik most of these scans are everywhere but copy pasting word for word and whatnot instead of just linking is weird). Thanks

You can report him, as that is not allowed here.

 

[Huesito88]

You can report him, as that is not allowed here.

What rule does this break?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

What rule does this break?

It was said that it is not allowed to copy other people's things once and post them by a staff member, but you can check around.

It's here for anyone who wants to know

Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

So for how long should the calc blog ban be applied, and what types of calculations should it cover? @DMUA I wrote above that I have never repeated the mistakes I made.

vsbattles.com

 

[TiltedFN]

You can report him, as that is not allowed here.

is that really necessary

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

You can report him, as that is not allowed here.

Nah man it's not that deep, it's nothing personal lol

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Nah man it's not that deep, it's nothing personal lol

I see, fine then.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

@Robo432343 Would have asked in private but uh, ur profile is limited so.... I'd appreciate if you credited me or just linked my blog instead of copy-pasting everything word for word and saying you found it yourself. (Yes ik most of these scans are everywhere but copy pasting word for word and whatnot instead of just linking is weird). Thanks

holy shit that's more evidence than I thought there'd be and it comes from Daizenshuu and Chozenshuu which are pretty much the most reliable sources for Dragon Ball after the manga and anime (and maybe the El Manga Legendario). Why isnt infinite universes accepted again? from what I know there are no real contradictions to it found in the source material

 

[Killerdrone123]

holy shit that's more evidence than I thought there'd be and it comes from Daizenshuu and Chozenshuu which are pretty much the most reliable sources for Dragon Ball after the manga and anime (and maybe the El Manga Legendario). Why isnt infinite universes accepted again? from what I know there are no real contradictions to it found in the source material

Hyperbole
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[Ryzen7900X]

Hyperbole
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seriously? don't engage with people who say that, incredulity isnt a valid rebuttal