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"The universe is so big that there are an unbelievable number of such galaxies, even though the galaxies alone are ridiculously large!"
Here in the translation it is like this
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Dragon Ball: Infinite Universe
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Here in the translation it is like this
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this is literally the official viz translation
Jaco is asking a rhetorical question to imply that there are alot of galaxies, not infinite
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This is from the manga, from the anime it is a little more different, in some other languages it quotes being infinite in the anime.this is literally the official viz translation
Jaco is asking a rhetorical question to imply that there are alot of galaxies, not infinite
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This doesn’t prove there’s a finite amount nor an infinite amount it just says that one galaxy is big and asks Bulma if she even knows how many galaxies are in the universethis is literally the official viz translation
Jaco is asking a rhetorical question to imply that there are alot of galaxies, not infinite
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why would countless be talking about infinite in that context
it can just mean that there is A LOT
also infinite can also mean very great in amount
it can just mean that there is A LOT
also infinite can also mean very great in amount
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im going against it being infinite
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The point being? This doesn't disprove anything.this is literally the official viz translation
Jaco is asking a rhetorical question to imply that there are alot of galaxies, not infinite
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well some people were using this as a proof of infinite
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this.
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No way you're using this as an argumentwhy would countless be talking about infinite in that context
it can just mean that there is A LOT
also infinite can also mean very great in amount
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(im not)
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Okay that’s fine but I just had an issue with you saying it like it was an anti feat
I see they should just use the anime version since it says countless
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the word countless is sus because they can just be talking about how there is so many, not an infinite number of
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Countless can be supporting evidence for Infinite but Countless alone isn’t Infinite
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i keep seeing alot of infinitely expanding scans.
"If we assume the universe is infinite, then it's not really expanding into anything. Because the universe's size is already infinite, its size can't increase. So essentially, if the universe is of infinite magnitude, it cannot possibly be expanding into anything."
How is the db universe infinite if it is literally expanding??
"If we assume the universe is infinite, then it's not really expanding into anything. Because the universe's size is already infinite, its size can't increase. So essentially, if the universe is of infinite magnitude, it cannot possibly be expanding into anything."
How is the db universe infinite if it is literally expanding??
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The galactic illuminations are expanding and the darkness is expansive
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why would it be expanding if the universe is already infinite
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Because there’s a darkness beyond the stars where light can’t reach?
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I don't really get the infinite galaxies argument. Best not to use it.
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Yes. this is whats being contested.
No. i looked this up and google disagrees
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I agree with this. The thread has gotten pretty messy so I only read chunks of it, but I noticed many scans which describe it as expanding. I don't see how that could possibly be the case if it is infinite. And given the propensity for words like "endless" to be hyperbolic, I am inclined to lean in favor of the scans against an infinite universe.
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Vietthai is wrong since as Pineapple explained and what is on the first page and OP there’s a scan saying there’s an infinite light and darkness and then on the next page it tells us the galactic illuminations are infinitely expanding and there’s a darkness beyond the stars where light can’t reach.
Can we please not repeat stuff already addressed in the first page? There’s a reason this crt is 5 pages long
Can we please not repeat stuff already addressed in the first page? There’s a reason this crt is 5 pages long
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God...it has become insufferable to read DB threads.
You literally blink and there is 2 extra pages.
You literally blink and there is 2 extra pages.
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so its contradictory? it literally says infinite light and darkness and then it says infinitely expanding
you cant have both at the same time
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just want to say that there is no greater darkness around the universe when we see it from outside
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I mean there should be atleast enough evidence for a possibly rating for Super.
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Another contradiction. Great.
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It’s not contradictory the light is finite but expanding the darkness is beyond this light and infiniteso its contradictory? it literally says infinite light and darkness and then it says infinitely expanding
you cant have both at the same time
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That is not a contradiction rather than a just a stylistic depiction of the universe...
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Which scan says that?
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No. The scan clearly says infinite space of light and darkness and yet its infinitely expanding at the same time. wtf. Its in the OP
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Read the op
The infinite universe is filled with light and darkness but the darkness is the only infinite one and the illuminations are infinitely expanding and beyond this illuminations countless unknown monsters lurk dk what’s confusing
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The op makes a similar claim but I don't actually see the evidence?
"This Daizenshuu scan refers to what we're calling the 'Observable Universe' here, it talks about an infinitely expanding light but with darkness that still dwells before it, and creatures that live there. This is the section where the Four Kaio govern their own associated cardinal direction holding countless galaxies."
It says "it talks about ..." but the translation given doesn't mention anything like this.
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it is showing how the universe looks like, if the evidence for it to be infinite is an Darkness so big that the light is infinitesimal in comparison(which is what the darkness being infinite would mean) then a visual contradicting it is a very strong evidence against it
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The scans says its infinite light and darkness
"An infinite space of light and darkness where the unknown lives"
thats the problem
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Even if it was just the universe infinitely expanding. We have so much more evidence of the universe just straight up being infinite that just one scan of saying infinitely expanding would be the one discarded.
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the scan straight up doesn't say that, show me when it says that the darkness specifically is the infinite thing
this would depends on what it is said in the main cannon, we have statements from bulma contradicting it, and we are currently waiting translations about another statement by shenron, it would be best if we waited
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as I said on the first page, most stuff from DBZ era is blatantly not true when Super explores the greater cosmology.
If such an infinite darkness exists, the universes should be depicted as black spheres. Whilst I can live with finite-metaphorical representations of infinite universes, if they're not consistent with the information we're given, then cleary there's a retcon or 2 (or 4-5) here somewhere.
finite light in inifinite darkness should NOT look like this.
If such an infinite darkness exists, the universes should be depicted as black spheres. Whilst I can live with finite-metaphorical representations of infinite universes, if they're not consistent with the information we're given, then cleary there's a retcon or 2 (or 4-5) here somewhere.
finite light in inifinite darkness should NOT look like this.
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