Dragon Ball: Infinite Universe

[Omegabronic]

Basically Omega is just repeating their points that were refuted, here's a little word from @Zamasu_Chan debunking this once and for all, I'd like @Zamasu_Chan 's words to be enjoyed with a sweet taste in the mouth.

Not all of Omegas points have been refuted, more just minimalized to a probably not.

well, the points i concede from his response i removed from the repost

 

[Robo432343]

i found this

It is based off our universe

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

One thing is the boundless expanse statement comes directly from Shenron who is a more reliable source on cosmic stuff than Bulma. Bulma was also using the center of the universe stuff as a hypothesis rather than a fact and did not even find any SDBs.

 

[Robo432343]

One thing is the boundless expanse statement comes directly from Shenron who is a more reliable source on cosmic stuff than Bulma. Bulma was also using the center of the universe stuff as a hypothesis rather than a fact and did not even find any SDBs.

its clearly author intent so uh bulma isnt that bad of a source

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

One thing is the boundless expanse statement comes directly from Shenron who is a more reliable source on cosmic stuff than Bulma. Bulma was also using the center of the universe stuff as a hypothesis rather than a fact and did not even find any SDBs.

The boundless universe statement even comes from the same episode as well.

 

[Da3ggman]

i found this

It is based off our universe

It's only partly based off of the real world; plus, it says that there are countless celestial bodies, something that the real world obviously lacks (unless you buy into the whole infinite universe theory, but I digress).

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

its clearly author intent so uh bulma isnt that bad of a source

But Shenron is also far more reliable for this type of thing.

 

[Robo432343]

But Shenron is also far more reliable for this type of thing.

Both are but ur right

 

[Da3ggman]

Both are but ur right

Due to Shenrons cosmic awareness, he would take priority over Bulma.

 

[Omegabronic]

One thing is the boundless expanse statement comes directly from Shenron who is a more reliable source on cosmic stuff than Bulma. Bulma was also using the center of the universe stuff as a hypothesis rather than a fact and did not even find any SDBs.

the shenron statement i believe we need a translation from the raws before anything else, but about the Bulma statement, she is never proven wrong, in fact, she did built the Super Dragon Radar and it was never brought up anything about the aspect of scanning the whole universe not working, she never found the super dragon ball, but that is because when she actually use it in search of them, it was when all 7 were already collected and the seventh one was on the planet were the tournament between universes 6 and 7 was taking place

 

[Robo432343]

Due to Shenrons cosmic awareness, he would take priority over Bulma.

shenron literally said "finding a single thing in the universe is not within my powers"

 

[Robo432343]

The boundless universe statement even comes from the same episode as well.

we dont know if thats the right translation
the one i watched just says, "space is vast"

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Apparently the infinite universe topic has come up before a few times and been rejected; I'll need a bit of time to dig through old threads and see what the consensus was in the past.

That’s fine but the argument was just 4 galaxies so daizenshuu is wrong but the context that was ignored is the NSEW galaxy terms are just denominations used by the gods to refer to a section of the universe which is also on Broly toei’s profile

Also observable universe is just the name we gave it in the guides it’s just the galactic illuninations and there’s a darkness beyond the stars and the illuminations can’t reach which solves the edge and center argument and the darkness argument is supported by Yakon so even if we disregard the gt statement there’s still a lot of statements for infinite universe

It's only partly based off of the real world; plus, it says that there are countless celestial bodies, something that the real world obviously lacks (unless you buy into the whole infinite universe theory, but I digress).

Low 2-C living realm for being based off the real world

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

shenron literally said "finding a single thing in the universe is not within my powers"

It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. You know the size of the haystack but finding the needle is close to impossible.

 

[Robo432343]

It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. You know the size of the haystack but finding the needle is close to impossible.

so both bulma and shenron cant do it

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

so both bulma and shenron cant do it

Does this refute anything about Shenron's credibility? He's not giving false information he just cant pinpoint something exact in an infinite space. Knowing the size and trying to find something within it is entirely different.

 

[DivineAura44]

i found this

It is based off our universe

"remotely resembles". Like be fr my g.

 

[Robo432343]

Does this refute anything about Shenron's credibility? He's not giving false information he just cant pinpoint something exact in an infinite space.

Dawg he just said space is vast, bulma isn't giving false information either

Knowing the size and trying to find something within it is entirely different.

yes

 

[Robo432343]

"remotely resembles". Like be fr my g.

no way i didnt see that

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Does this refute anything about Shenron's credibility? He's not giving false information he just cant pinpoint something exact in an infinite space. Knowing the size and trying to find something within it is entirely different.

While Bulma is likely to be less about objective fact but rather her own hypothesis as Shenron would have vastly more knowledge or awareness on size of cosmology.

Dawg he just said space is vast, bulma isn't giving false information either

yes

Also you are again taking something out of context. It says space is vast THEN calls it boundless. Infinite can be vast. Crazy right?

 

[Robo432343]

While Bulma is likely to be less about objective fact but rather her own hypothesis as Shenron would have vastly more knowledge or awareness on size of cosmology.

ok true

Also you are again taking something out of context. It says space is vast THEN calls it boundless.

watch it again bro he doesn't call it boundless

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

ok true

watch it again bro he doesn't call it boundless

Ok now THIS is a mistranslation that is taking out key details.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Ok now THIS is a mistranslation that is taking out key details.

It seems like it's just simplifying what he said.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

ok true

watch it again bro he doesn't call it boundless

This translation is made by a fan

 

[Robo432343]

Ok now THIS is a mistranslation that is taking out key details.

and how do we know yours isnt?

 

[Robo432343]

This translation is made by a fan

that other one is way more likely to be made by a fan

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

ok true

watch it again bro he doesn't call it boundless

The dub also calls it boundless which is more of an official translation as well. A sub calling it boundless as well leads me to believe it does indeed say boundless or something similar but we still need translation on that.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

that other one is way more likely to be made by a fan

It's on a pirate site lol

 

[Robo432343]

The dub also calls it boundless which is more of an official translation as well. A sub calling it boundless as well leads me to believe it does indeed say boundless or something similar but we still need translation on that.

lets just wait for the confirmation

 

[Robo432343]

It's on a pirate site lol

dawg i watched it in other anime sites and it still says space is vast

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

dawg i watched it in other anime sites and it still says space is vast

Also it uses "nai" as an end to a word which commonly refers to something without an end or boundary in this context

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I’d use vrv but it stops at the 25th episode for free Vrv and crunchyroll have the more accurate translations so if someone can get their hands on it that’d be nice

 

[Robo432343]

I’d use vrv but it stops at the 25th episode for free Vrv and crunchyroll have the more accurate translations so if someone can get their hands on it that’d be nice

i used zoro to and nine anime and the mf still says space is vast

 

[Nullflowerblush]

This translation is made by a fan

That is dialogue from the official FUNimation English translation (not to be confused with the localization/dubbing). That character style is unique to Crunchyroll's streaming services.

Apparently, Akira Toriyama opted for the option of Dragon ball Super having countless galaxies based on the premise of what Jaco said.

銀河だけでもバカ広いのにそんな銀河がとんでもない数あるくらい宇宙は広いのだぞ！ → "The galaxy alone is ridiculously wide, but the universe is so vast that there are an unbelievable number of such galaxies!"

"とんでもない" is used to describe the number of galaxies, which translates into "unthinkable; unexpected; outrageous; offensive".

 

[Matrixxxx]

This might help

Here's an official timeline wall from Shueisha which shows that they are sorta of in the same timeline. Perhaps GT and Super being a sort of "what if" branch.


Stuff from GT cosmology being used in a guidebook that has info about super. (Sugoroku space on page 35)

Dude, it says here that beerus transcends dimensions or is beerus l1c ?

 

[Robo432343]

Dude, it says here that beerus transcends dimensions or is beerus l1c ?

this is not the thread for that.

 

[thetechmaster36]

The constant back-and-forth between the exact same users EVERY SINGLE TIME is the sole reason why I don't participate in these big DB threads anymore. It's so annoying.

But count me as tentatively agreeing with the thread for now. I can't be bothered to explain because frankly, I don't care.

 

[Matrixxxx]

this is not the thread for that.

I'm kidding, man xd

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

That is dialogue from the official FUNimation English translation (not to be confused with the localization/dubbing). That character style is unique to Crunchyroll's streaming services.

銀河だけでもバカ広いのにそんな銀河がとんでもない数あるくらい宇宙は広いのだぞ！ → "The galaxy alone is ridiculously wide, but the universe is so vast that there are an unbelievable number of such galaxies!"

"とんでもない" is used to describe the number of galaxies, which translates into "unthinkable; unexpected; outrageous; offensive".

If it’s crunchy roll it’s valid I’m not sure though

Unthinkable amount of galaxies or an unbelievable amount of galaxies is consistent with the anime saying countless so even if you use either one it still gives the same message dk what the point of that is

 

[Omegabronic]

guys, wouldn't it be far simpler if we just got a translation member to translate the raw audio of the scene? until that happens this current debate feel kind of pointless