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Dragon Ball Heroes Speed
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While we can wait, but not too long to be fair. What will happen if he take too long, or not even come??
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Super Bump, let see if anyone else interest in this thread
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Massive change????? I don't see anything here is massive change, other verse get infinite, immeasurable speed, jump tier left and right. But when it come to DB, everything suddenly become massive, what the hell is that kind of logic???.
Also i bump to see if anyone else interest in the thread, it is not like the conclusion happen anytime soon
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More like Nightmare mode
I know, but what Ant said is vague, we have no fixed time, this could reach conclusion soon, or get stonewalling to the end of time. Honestly this kill of hardwork, effort i pour onto, and literally i can't even start other CRT project of this thread can't finish
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Wasn't there a rule that after 3 days of waiting for someone's input and no response you just apply the thread? So lets wait that time and if no input is given then we cann apply.
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i don't know such a rule though, but i doubt people allow me to apply, this is Dragon Ball we talking about
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Nah, no such rule exists for CRTs that are big and controversial. I believe the timeframe was around weeks or possibly a month to two months, but there have been disagreements, and those were only for small CRTs and not big-profile CRTs like this.
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AKM is extremely busy with very important tasks IRL. We will have to wait for a few weeks if that is what it takes. An upgrade to infinite speed is very significant and quite controversial.
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You know what, i'm disappointed, what if he doesn't join in like few months, or years???? Still need to wait because he not join???. He busy yes, but not just him, everyone also busy
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What's the rush? This is an infinite speed thread. And I only see a few staff members that have replied so far, which is clearly not enough input for such a thread.
I'm going to ping some of them while I read the thread.
@DontTalkDT @Ultima_Reality @QuasiYuri @Everything12 @SomebodyData @Celestial_Pegasus @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @SamanPatou @Eficiente @Confluctor
Would you be willing to help in evaluating this thread?
I'm going to ping some of them while I read the thread.
@DontTalkDT @Ultima_Reality @QuasiYuri @Everything12 @SomebodyData @Celestial_Pegasus @Qawsedf234 @ByAsura @SamanPatou @Eficiente @Confluctor
Would you be willing to help in evaluating this thread?
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I don't rush, if there is a discussion going on, i'm willing to debate, you know me
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I am sure it must have been covered before already but warping space time on any scale is not a speed feat. It's a range feat. I'll take a look at the other point.
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i guess for staffs who dont have much time, this can work.
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Done, i gathered all of my arguments and evidences in a sandbox for easier evaluation. Also if this get accepted, the sandbox will turn into speed blog so people can understand why we reached to this conclusion
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Actually i think null covered it and there were arguments against it, so you should read them.
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Sigh, this again. It is a black hole which dragging thing into itself, you can see the clear visual in the scan where objects flying into the black hole, black hole by all mean, apply a pull on all objects and pulling them in, by all mean, affected objects, or whatever flying at a certain speed into the black hole. Now this black hole must pull all objects at infinite speed, due to this is 2-A multiverse, so everything that far away need infinite speed to cross infinite distance in finite time. Next Chronoa reacted to this, Xeno Trunks on the other hand get pulled in already at the same time he reacted, the thing is due to the Black Hole pulled everything and Trunks already being pulled, mean he himself already move at Infinite Speed, and the guy reacted and recognized the fact that he "moved". There is also Fu feats
And lastly you can see that the Black Hole did expand.
Edit: Welp sorry i thought you said about Mechikabura feat which is point 3, but well i already re-explain the Black Hole feat. But regarding point 2 is, Dark Shenron wash his energy out, and Trunks and Chronoa reacted to it, space-time warp is just the effect of the energy, similar to SSJ Gotenks Vice Shot broke dimensional barrier. it is a feat to supporting the point 1 where character can reacted to energy spreading, explosion, etc...
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I disagree with the black hole point as well. We do not have enough information on how every timeline is being sucked in. It seems like the OP is working with the interpretation that the universes getting pulled are travelling some distance in order to get sucked by the black hole. A timeline, unlike the normal debris that are being shown getting sucked, is not some 3D thing existing at the end of an infinite universe that requires to be pulled in at infinite speed to be absorbed. If he had pulled in some 3D object from an infinite distance, it might have been fine. But time, and different space-time continuums only require the range to be pulled in, not speed.
Anybody with space-time hax and some sort of dimensional travel shenanigan can absorb any part of space-time without the need to involve speed or distance altogether. You can just open a black hole in one dimension capable of working across all the other dimensions, where it would seem like every other universe (except where the black hole resides) is getting sucked into a point that does not physically exist in that particular universe but another dimension. To me, this seems to be a range feat of space-time warping happening on a 2-A scale rather than something happening at infinite speed.
It's difficult to explain for me, but I am sure DT or someone else can explain it better.
Anybody with space-time hax and some sort of dimensional travel shenanigan can absorb any part of space-time without the need to involve speed or distance altogether. You can just open a black hole in one dimension capable of working across all the other dimensions, where it would seem like every other universe (except where the black hole resides) is getting sucked into a point that does not physically exist in that particular universe but another dimension. To me, this seems to be a range feat of space-time warping happening on a 2-A scale rather than something happening at infinite speed.
It's difficult to explain for me, but I am sure DT or someone else can explain it better.
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I will reply later, need to sleep for a while
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About point II
Black hole by default warps space-time, not sure how that helps but I’m just putting it out there
Black hole by default warps space-time, not sure how that helps but I’m just putting it out there
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That's got to be some of the flimsiest reasons for infinite speed I have seen yet. And I have seen a lot of bad infinite/immeasurable speed threads.
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Again, information is already enough here, the statements is clear, The Black Hole absorbed everything
He dragged the entire infinite multiverse into himself, timeline/space-time is just another object possessing one more axis compare to normal 3d object. And when you dragging something, you made them move, 3d or 4d or even 5d, by all mean, you made them move, and move mean speed
This very site still treating a special 5d space, a distance between universe space-time continuum, and other tier 2 logic where you can't multiplier because the unqualifiable distance between universe space-time or timeline. And again like above, pulled something in mean you made them move, move mean speed, your logic made no sense
1. Dimensional Travel can mean all thing, even physically flying to other universe/dimension can still be treated as Dimensional Travel, DT is not a hax neccessary.
2. Black Hole, by all mean dragging space-time into it, it made the very space-time move, along with objects
This is completely your hypothetical headcanon, so please prove it. Also the all the scan show very clear that, the Black Hole lead to inside Mechikabura body, it is the hole in the middle of his chest
Black Hole drag space-time into it
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I didn't deny it.
Not necessarily to that degree. For example, if I create a mini black hole in Dimension A that is capable of working across space-time, I can also make it work it in the space-time of Dimension B to suck it in without moving Dimension B all the way to Dimension A. A space-time distortion can happen across many different space-times simultaneously, they don't need to travel distances.
It goes back to what I said about not knowing exactly how the universes are getting sucked. I cannot prove something that is not shown. I just stated a more likely and common scenario of how these feats take place which makes it a range feat more than a speed feat. If you can prove that all the universes actually moved infinite distance to get sucked in the black hole, I wouldn't have any problems with infinite speed.
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This link per our new rules now needs a transcription of the og kanjis in it. It seems to me like one of many wanked imgur albums where one sees something but the guy who made it wrote down in the descriptions whatever they felt like to fit their views. Nothing there states that the whole multiverse was being affected, just some timelines.
This is exaggerated. I can target and cover a planet with my energy at infinite speed for my powers to then, slowly, revive people at not infinite speed, if others react to my energy on the planet then they don't have infinite speed. If my powers then make someone transform then that's also not at infinite speed.
For the rest of the points, I find pretty bad the evidence of his black hole being 2-A in the first place, let alone gaining infinite speed from that. The "histories" he absorved (also referred to as history in singular) have no reason to be histories of other universes, saying "the world" has no reason to target the multiverse rather than the world/universe.
This link per our new rules now needs a transcription of the og kanjis in it. It seems to me like one of many wanked imgur albums where one sees something but the guy who made it wrote down in the descriptions whatever they felt like to fit their views. Nothing there states that the whole multiverse was being affected, just some timelines.
This is exaggerated. I can target and cover a planet with my energy at infinite speed for my powers to then, slowly, revive people at not infinite speed, if others react to my energy on the planet then they don't have infinite speed. If my powers then make someone transform then that's also not at infinite speed.
For the rest of the points, I find pretty bad the evidence of his black hole being 2-A in the first place, let alone gaining infinite speed from that. The "histories" he absorved (also referred to as history in singular) have no reason to be histories of other universes, saying "the world" has no reason to target the multiverse rather than the world/universe.
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idk if you can read or, because old kai outright states and its SHOWN that all histories were absorbed, and the entire multiverse its self was absorbed as the time patrol had no way out of the timeless void they were in, despite them being able to travel across timelines regularly.
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This is what I was trying to say earlier. There's no evidence that each universe moved an infinite distance during the feat, and there's no reason to believe that they did in the first place
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Or it can be infinite lifting strength
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How not?
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First it should be immeasurable lifting Strength since litreal spacetimes are being pulled and how can immeasurable lifting strength help me avoid getting aborsbed-
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It’s called resisting the pull of something with immeasurable pull hence immeasurable LS
Speed won’t save you from not getting pulled by a black hole and how can you react to something pulling you ignorant you don’t have ave the corresponding LS to resist the pull in the first place
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they didn't ressit it my man, they reacted to it first and then got aborsbed. if not for demigra, they would have been stuck
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I have no idea what you are talking about
How do they get pulled in, if they escaped the range of the pull?
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they didn't? or i am just drunk. they reacted to the Aborsbtion pull and got pulled in after a few seconds, it was demigra who helped them get out.
we are not talking abt infinite travel speed but infinite reaction speed.
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