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I agree with Viet. Let's focus on the feats, we can deal with the scaling later.
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Dragon Ball Heroes Speed
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@AKM sama
The others here really want you to properly evaluate the information linked above.
Would you be willing to do so please?
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Bump
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So what's the plan? Do we agree with possibly infinite speed?
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No, we are waiting for AKM response, but most likely this thread won't fly, who knows?...
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Well, Planck agree, KLOL also agree, his only problem is who scale but it is not the issue right now. AKM disagree and i'm sure he will just disagree again, knowing him, Maverick is.....well as usual, always agree with AKM, Confluctor is neutral, Efficient....i think he doesn't care. Ant is......i don't even know what side Ant took anymore, too confusing
Anyway that is the thing
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Confluctor finds the OP reasoning "weak", I'm sure he disagrees with the thread too iirc
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I already did. There is nothing more for me to say. Vietthai has his own interpretation of how the feat would have worked. And while it might have granted infinite speed, it is largely unsupported and born out of assumptions. I put forth my own views about how feats like these normally happen and seem like the more likely scenario here given the details, or lack thereof, which do not require extraordinary evidence because they make no extraordinary claims and is a far more safer end. The criteria of there being undeniable evidence is not fulfilled here so I am against the proposition.
Confluctor believes the reasons for infinite speed are also flimsy.
Maverick agrees with me.
I apologize but there is nothing more I could do here. Unfortunately, there isn't enough evidence to convince me. And imho, the thread should be closed considering the other staff members I pinged here do not seem interested in this discussion.
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Could you link your disagreements as to where you found the evidence lacking and full of assumptions, specifically the comment where you stated as such? Because as it stands right now, our reasons for disagreement are kinda different.
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Ah, it has something to do with quantifying the distance that the universes moved? There are issues determining that because 4-D timelines are being pulled in and the realm that encompasses them has to be on a similar level of existence as them, which makes determining distance even harder than if the universes shared the same space and said space happened to be 3-D, am I right?
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Again, my interpretation and suppose assumption have feats and contexts to back-up, it is your turn to prove it wrong
Again, the contexts and feats disagree with this notion. And even if we use normal, real life black hole, then it still suck things into it, as it drag space-time at the speed of light into itself, that why in order to escape black hole you need to to be, well..........FTL to fight back the speed of space-time that was being dragged into the black hole. Your whole reason of disagree with a very flimsy one, as you assume that Mechikabura black hole is haxing the space-time, and absorbed the multiverse with out crossing any distance via some sort of space-time tunnel, but have no proof of this claim and the entire narrative, along with the context and feat of the verse disagree with this. I don't even know why you point was even valid from the start when all of it was a full-blown assumption, while me was supported by contexts and feats
I made extraordinary clain and i had extraordinary evidences present, it is your turn now, where is your extraordinary evidences. The scan and the contexts support my points, and your claim is now full of assumption, thus it is even more extraordinary than mine.
And i will re-post this:
Oh yeah, Confluctor i not say much, the guy's comment is more of a off-hand comment than anything and seriously Maverick???. iirc, she constantly like and agree every of your comment back in the past before she is a mod, with all due respect, her comment is non-existent to me
Oh right, let completely ignore point 1 and Demigra feats and say close the thread, because you disagree, seriously??
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No, my point is the opposite of that because distance doesn't even need to be involved here. Because there is nothing suggesting that the universes all physically moved infinite distances to get sucked into a black hole. If the black hole works across space-time it should have no problem sucking any universe from anywhere else without any need for movement.
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DontTalkDT wrote some new official standards for infinite speed listed here:
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Speed
Speed is simply how fast a character can move in a given amount of time. There are five types of speed used for VS purposes: Attack Speed, Combat Speed, Reaction Speed, Travel Speed, and Flight Speed. The term "Speed" normally refers to Combat Speed. The speed at which an attack moves. For...
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I don't see them mentioning that the blackhole is ******* spacetime to aborsb all universes, can you provide scan?
I think you would need more scan to prove that your "assumption" is true than we need to prove that the blackhole was normally sucking the universes in.
Making assumptions is fun and all, but i don't think it should be done in a major thread like this specially by a person's who statements hold a high value.
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Black holes do that by default. If it did not **** up spacetime, it would only be able to suck a single universe. Duh!
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Vietthai96
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Again, Black Hole by default dragging space-time, it is real life science, and in turn pulling things into it, require FTL speed to get out.
This is your own claim that go against the feats and scans itself, please stop making these kind of claim, unless you have something to back up
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I meant it in a casual fun way, like friends use in normal conversation. Just so it isn't misunderstood.
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If debate isn't going to continue, there's no point to this thread remaining open
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Space time distortions are never showed to be a factor, that's, again, pure headcanon.
Can we stop using RL Black Holes to debunk Infinite Speed?
We have standards for what qualifies as a true Black Hole. And Mechikabura's simply doesn't have these properties.
Can we stop using RL Black Holes to debunk Infinite Speed?
We have standards for what qualifies as a true Black Hole. And Mechikabura's simply doesn't have these properties.
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Problem is, there is nothing suggesting every universe is being dragged to an infinite distance, as I have mentioned earlier. Space time fuckery can allow your black hole to directly consume another space time even if it is not physically present there. Just like how Super Shenron was not physically present in every revived universe but his light reached all of them simultaneously because his reality warping works across space-time. Similarly, the black hole does not need to drag something an infinite distance away if it is capable of working/pulling across different space-times simultaneously.
Anyway, my apologies that this couldn't make the cut for infinite speed. I will close this thread now.
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