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Dragon Ball Heroes Infinite Speed Revision
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@Sera
We have always treated inhabiting a realm without time as Infinite, where have you been?
We have always treated inhabiting a realm without time as Infinite, where have you been?
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^^^Sera Loveheart said:
Agree with this. Doesn't make sense, the realm is above time, not the ppl themselves.
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In the ROAT, time flows differently from the rest of the universe, but there is still time there, and the cast isn't able to percievetime flowing differently from an inside prospective.
In this case, the Demon Gods are supposedly outside of the time of the Time Nest, which is basically the multiverse and contains countless timenies.
It's not the same thing at all.
And no, being outside of time and completly trascending time are very different things.
In this case, the Demon Gods are supposedly outside of the time of the Time Nest, which is basically the multiverse and contains countless timenies.
It's not the same thing at all.
And no, being outside of time and completly trascending time are very different things.
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I will however, not shitpost and legitimately say this.
- Darkrai got tagged by Pikachu, Sceptile, and Mewtwo before. Arceus, Pikachu. Shaymin tagged Giratina.
- Dark Area Digimon get tagged left and right, with Demidevimon being fodder.
- Bill Cipher gets in a chase with 12 year olds
- Dream Devourer Lavos gets outlived by Magus (is unfazed, but still)
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@Cal
>Using Pokemon and Bill as examples
Boi. ovo
Legit answer, I don't really know your precise point?
>Using Pokemon and Bill as examples
Boi. ovo
Legit answer, I don't really know your precise point?
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..... *Breathes in*
Oh boy. While I am neutral, I feel like the majority is going to get this upgrade unless the opposition ....Steps it up, When it calms down, I'll join in and give my take on it. For now though... I'll just spectate.
Oh boy. While I am neutral, I feel like the majority is going to get this upgrade unless the opposition ....Steps it up, When it calms down, I'll join in and give my take on it. For now though... I'll just spectate.
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By the way, saying that someone is not portrayed as infinitely faster than another character is not even close to an argument. No fiction who is Infinite via our standards is treated as actually infinitely faster than someone else.
It's basically evoking authorial intent.
It's basically evoking authorial intent.
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Jiren isn't portrayed as infinitely stronger than SSJB Goku. ovoKepekley23 said:
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That "how they are portrayed" may not be the best argument.
Also, if effing Demidevimon is infinite speed, then Unown's downgrade is BS
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@Fire
This is only DBH God tiers not Xenoverse. That is also a false equivalence.
This is only DBH God tiers not Xenoverse. That is also a false equivalence.
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It is the same doe. The realm is beyond time, not the ppl themselves, they would still percieve time if it were to exist, though since it doesn't exist they don't percieve time there, though if they were to go into a place where the time does exist they wouldn't still inherit traits from the place without time.
Think of time as this:
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l l This weird square here. And this is the realm l l
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The realm is a cube outside of that cube, though when the ppl born in there go to the cube where time exists they don't just own infinite speed. That doesn't make sense, as i said, that would make the people who enter the training room see time move differntly from the others.
Think of time as this:
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l l This weird square here. And this is the realm l l
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The realm is a cube outside of that cube, though when the ppl born in there go to the cube where time exists they don't just own infinite speed. That doesn't make sense, as i said, that would make the people who enter the training room see time move differntly from the others.
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Isn't the reason why Alien X got downgraded from Infinite Speed was because the FoC being out of sync with time doesn't mean infinite speed? If so, then how is being out of times flow or being outside history suddenly means Infinite speed for DBH?
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@Kukui
There is a world of difference between "out of sync" and "outside of".
Out of sync means it doesn't exist in the present but is still part of the flow of time itself. It's like when the Daleks made a place always exist only 1 second in the future so no one could find it.
There is a world of difference between "out of sync" and "outside of".
Out of sync means it doesn't exist in the present but is still part of the flow of time itself. It's like when the Daleks made a place always exist only 1 second in the future so no one could find it.
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What was the context of the Alien X one?
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Ever other speed feat he has?The Everlasting said:
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Being out of sync is way different from being outside the flow of time.
And the latter is infinite speed.
Unless my watch has infinite speed compared to my phone
And the latter is infinite speed.
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Solaris is literally Omnipresent through time, and is a higher-dimensional entity that was literally devouring all of time from the multiverse, whose effects you straight-up see. It also fought people in the past, present and future simultaneously.
Nothing in DBH is comparable to that.
Nothing in DBH is comparable to that.
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Uh...Xeno Goku's only feats are fighting those who scale to Infinite speed
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@Kep
Alien X comes from the Forge of Creation, a realm out of sync with the rest of time.
@Matt
Every other speed feat from this alternate Goku who specifically combats these big guys?
If we scale him to guys like Demigra in AP we have to do so in speed.
Alien X comes from the Forge of Creation, a realm out of sync with the rest of time.
@Matt
Every other speed feat from this alternate Goku who specifically combats these big guys?
If we scale him to guys like Demigra in AP we have to do so in speed.
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I question Infinite Speed Zoom I should tell you.Kaltias said:
Not at all. He fights plenty of people who don't scale to Infinite Speed and doesn't instantly blitz. He is shown flying from place to place at non-infinite speeds, etc.Kepekley23 said:
It's only his "Only feat" if you ignore every single other opponent he fights or thing he does.
Then why were you wishing to scale it to Xenoverse via backwards scaling up until people pointed that out?Bluetrekking said:
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> He is shown flying from place to place at non-infinite speeds, etc.
Hit is Subsonic, then. Flew to the edge of the U6 arena at non-MFTL speeds.
This is a Cinematic Time argument.
Hit is Subsonic, then. Flew to the edge of the U6 arena at non-MFTL speeds.
This is a Cinematic Time argument.
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So Arceus is not Infinite, Immeasurable or Omnipresent and is slower than Giratina? Good to know. ovoThe real cal howard said:
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Shock of all shocks, fiction does not consider Infinite speed the same way we do. Using "he doesn't instantly blitz non-infinite people" or "he doesn't travel places at infinite speed" is an absolute non-argument.
Jiren isn't portrayed as infinitely stronger than Goku, but here we are. This is the same thing.
Jiren isn't portrayed as infinitely stronger than Goku, but here we are. This is the same thing.
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I agree with the upgrades, it's a pretty clear cut explanation and wasn't there another feat within one of the openings that could support this?
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@Matt
Maybe, but the point is that if you can move outside the regular flow of time, it's infinite.
You are infinite in speed when either the distance is infinite, or time is 0.
Also the logic of "he doesn't look that fast" can make canon Goku slower than light, which is obviously dumb
Maybe, but the point is that if you can move outside the regular flow of time, it's infinite.
You are infinite in speed when either the distance is infinite, or time is 0.
Also the logic of "he doesn't look that fast" can make canon Goku slower than light, which is obviously dumb
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@Matt
"Then why were you wishing to scale it to Xenoverse via backwards scaling up until people pointed that out?"
Blue did not bring that up. Someone else did.
"Then why were you wishing to scale it to Xenoverse via backwards scaling up until people pointed that out?"
Blue did not bring that up. Someone else did.
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No it isn't.Kepekley23 said:
Hit flying from one universe to another is MFTL+. I genuinely cannot believe you used that as an argument.
A better argument would be trying to say that Hit only crossing about 10 meters in the time his 0.5 seconds Time Stop is active isn't Subsonic because "Cinematic Timing".
Cinematic Timing can't be used when we can clearly observe that time is passing around the character, and you're trying to argue he's so fast time doesn't pass at all.
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Leave it too Dragonball to spark a very nasty debate.
Anyways, if anyone has "infinte speed" why doesn't anyone speed blitz someone who doesn't have it? If they have infinite speed why do they need technology to transport to the distortion? ƒñö
Anyways, if anyone has "infinte speed" why doesn't anyone speed blitz someone who doesn't have it? If they have infinite speed why do they need technology to transport to the distortion? ƒñö
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@Matt I never said they should scale nor did I ever bring up DBX. Others did but not me. Hence why I titled it DBH.
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I'm fine with upgrading Heroes btw.
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Because infinite speed won't let you do that?TheUpgradeManHaHaxD said:
That is immesurable IIRC
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I also genuinely can't believe you tried to use on-screen speeds as an argument, but my beliefs are irrelevant. What matters is the actual argument. Get to the point.
Observing time passing around someone is negatively relevant. We can observe time passing normally in the RoSaT even though it isn't normal time. We can observe shockwaves in several timeless voids at real speeds. It is nowhere close to an argument in any way.
Observing time passing around someone is negatively relevant. We can observe time passing normally in the RoSaT even though it isn't normal time. We can observe shockwaves in several timeless voids at real speeds. It is nowhere close to an argument in any way.
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