Dragon Ball GT/Non-Canon Revision

[Dark649]

Yes i checked, the only thing the Cannon Sigma was to successfully punch Goku and impress him with their speed while Ocean was able to repel Pan and Goku, but was easily defeated by their kamehameha.

 

[Peter1129]

So you agree with the scaling?

 

[Jobbo]

He says he's never felt such an incredible ki when he first sees Janemba.

 

[Jobbo]

Here's the statement: https://snag.gy/mOHBog.jpg

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I have a question. It it possibly for M10 Broly, as a LSSJ, to have a possible 3-C rating? Gohan said that Broly as a normal ssj was as much of a challenge as before and his attacks are completely nothing to Broly after he transforms again.

 

[SSJRyu1]

Scaling makes sense to me. I support the revision.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I have a question. It it possibly for M10 Broly, as a LSSJ, to have a possible 3-C rating? Gohan said that Broly as a normal ssj was as much of a challenge as before and his attacks are completely nothing to Broly after he transforms again.

 

[AKM sama]

I don't see the need of an "At least 3-B" rating. 3-B is very large tier and those characters can just be on the higher level of 3-B. That's still plain 3-B. "At least" suggests that they might be stronger than that.

 

[Dark649]

Ledgic only pressured a casual base Goku since the Sigma Force thought they could defeat him based on his power during that fight, which was later proved wrong since Goku overwhelmed them at full power, once casual Goku turned SS he stomped Ledgic.

Goku was referring about Base Janemba that he never felt an incredible ki such as that, referring that is stronger [but not that much] than Fat Buu [Not Super and Kid Buu], which makes sense since he forced SS2 Goku to transform, still 4-A.

Movie 10 LSS Broly is at best as strong as Fat Buu and since Base Janemba and Hirudegarn are 4-A, he remains at 4-A.

I also don't see the need for an at least 3-B for most of them.

 

[Peter1129]

Ok so no At least 3-B for anyone.

 

[ZERO7772]

Broly > Gogeta ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

So 3-C is legit.

 

[Kepekley23]

Broly is not even as strong as pre-Zenkai Perfect Cell.

 

[Dark649]

Broly is not even as strong as pre-Zenkai Perfect Cell.

We are discussing about Broly in Second Coming or in Japan The Dangerous Duo! Super Warriors Never Rest, in this continuity Gohan did not stopped training after Cell, this is shown since he did not shown to be rusty [like in the battle with Dabura] against a Post Zenkai LSS Broly, i'm neutral whatenever Gohan was SS or SS2 against them.

 

[Kepekley23]

The Movie 8 Z Warriors are considerably weaker than they were at the Cell Games, since Gohan and Goku's designs are based on their half-power, resting versions, and Vegeta's concept art for the movie calls him "Super Vegeta", which is what he called himself when he beat Semi Perfect Cell.

Even if Gohan did not stop training, which I consider arguable at best since his design is copied from when he transformed against Kibito, there's no proof he is even as strong as his Cell Games kid self.

 

[Chartate101]

I mean the most reasonable assumption is that he's just as strong if he didn't stop training. Why would we get WEAKER by training? There is no evidence is got stronger, but he certainly didn't get weaker

 

[Kepekley23]

The problem is, Movie 8 Gohan is not as strong as his canon Cell Games self, and Gohan was talking about his fight with Broly when he told Goten he had powered up "since then".

 

[DBZMLP12345]

The revision seems fine to me

 

[Dark649]

What do you think about this revision Kep?.

 

[Kepekley23]

It's definitely something to be considered. We used this method to scale last time, so suddenly going against it is suspicious, but at the same time there isn't really a need to bloat everything.

Anyway, I am legitimately curious on one thing. Super Gogeta instantly absorbed and purified all the energy inside the Minus Energy Ball, which was gradual universe 7-busting. The attack works by emitting small pockets of energy every second, until the universe is destroyed. However, all of that gradual energy comes from the same source.

Gogeta instantly purified all of that condensed energy when he kicked it away. Would that be a noteworthy feat?

 

[Dark649]

It would give him only an at least, he also said he can defeat Omega with one finger .

 

[Peter1129]

So SS4 Gogeta is going to be at least 3-B instead of 3-B due to being able to casually overpower Omega Shenron and his strongest attack correct?

 

[Dark649]

Yes, but likely only him.

 

[Peter1129]

Alright editing the op.

 

[Kepekley23]

I don't think you got my point, but whatever.

 

[Dark649]

I considered it as noteworthy feat, it's why i said that an at least would be fine.

 

[Quantu]

Slightly off topic, but would Gogeta get Soul destruction via destroying Janemba with stardust breaker, matter manipulation via creating the confetti in GT (1:10), Non Physical Interaction and Dimensional travel scaling from Toei Goku?

 

[AKM sama]

He didn't destroy his soul, he cleaned it up which converted him to a boy iirc.

 

[Elizhaa]

He converted him to a boy iirc??

 

[Peter1129]

He just purified the evil energy stuff in Janemba which returned him back to his original form which is some oni boy.

 

[Dark649]

He purified all the evil souls via good energy manipulation in the Saike Demon, he did a similar in GT with the Minus Energy Ball. Only Xenoverse 2 i head it says that it can also destroy the soul.

 

[Dark649]

Resistance to Sleep Manipulation, Heat Manipulation and Paralysis from Anime Goku, Teleportation and Dimensional Travel with I.T and Matter Manip. for GT Gogeta are ok, Ice Manipulation Resistance and Healing are also ok since Dr. Wheloo minions and Sauzer appears, it's possible Non-Physical Interaction since he affected and purified Janemba's souls.

 

[Warren_Valion]

If Gogeta purified all the souls that create Janemba's being and the Minus Energy Ball, then would that mean Gogeta has Holy Manipulation?

 

[Dark649]

Positive Energy Ôëá Holy Energy like Negative Energy Ôëá Dark Energy.

 

[Straika]

Positive Energy Ôëá Holy Energy like Negative Energy Ôëá Dark Energy.

But what is Soul Punisher a.k.a Stardust Breaker then? Existence Erasure or Soul Manipulation?

 

[Dark649]

None of both it's just Energy Manip. [Positive], it's the same as Vegeta calling his attack Big Bang Attack despite not causing an actual Big Bang. We should focus on the revision rather than the abilities, which derails the thread.

 

[DBZMLP12345]

I agree with Dark, lets get this over with, i also agree with the At Least 3-B for SSJ4 Gogeta, i always firgured he was the closest GT character to 3-A

 

[Elizhaa]

I agree with Dark, lets get this over with, i also agree with the At Least 3-B for SSJ4 Gogeta, i always firgured he was the closest GT character to 3-A

I seems fine to me aswell

 

[DBZMLP12345]

Also, due to how SSJ4 Gogeta instantly purified all the Minus Energy Ball, would that be Multi-Galaxy level+? Or is it still quite a ways from Universe level?

 

[Elizhaa]

Also, due to how SSJ4 Gogeta instantly purified all the Minus Energy Ball, would that be Multi-Galaxy level+? Or is it still quite a ways from Universe level?

After checking the chart and seeing the huge AP difference, it is unlikely. At least Multi-Galaxy looks like a high-ball now with AP difference.

Attack Potency Chart

Tier	Level	Energy in Conventional Terms	Energy in Tonnes of TNT Equivalent	Energy in Joules	High End to Low End ratio
3-B	Multi-Galaxy	8.593 YottaFoe to 2.825 TenaexaFoe	2.054x1059 to 6.752x1082	8.593x1068 to 2.825x1092	~1.04x1023x
3-A	Universe	2.825 TenaexaFoe to any higher finite number	6.752x1082 to any higher finite number	2.825x1092 to any higher finite number	Not available

 

[DBZMLP12345]

So do we need more staff imput? Or can someone like Dark go ahead and apply the changes now? When they are avalible of course