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Doesn’t world beyond imply timeline? Since it’s outside of the macrocosm
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Dragon Ball Cosmology Revision
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LordGriffin is neutral and said he’d let other staff do this thread
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World beyond and universe are parts of the macrocosm bruh, ever read daizenshuu?
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we got over this in the last thread, by default a space time is not assumed to be inside another
the guide is not talking about the timeline since this concept didn't even existed during the time of the guide, it is talking about the living universe and the other dimensions in the macrocosm, that is it, you have to show any evidence that it is talking about the 12 universe timeline, concept that didn't even existed at the time of the guide
there is nothing to sugest that it is inside the timeline, and since it is a space time we assume that it isn't by default, how many times does this have to be said, at this point don't answer this if you are going to ask for the same thing, let us have this point decided by staff since both sides are repeating each other endlessly
no, this is just goku being wrong or the information being contradicted so it is unusable, i don't even know why bring this up when there is even a rule against it, it is derail in the last thread, it is here, drop it
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no, universe can be refering to the living universe, and world beyond to the other dimensions like the afterlife and kaioshin realm
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This was the first time I heard in a long time that someone tried arguing "He merged with the entire timeline" because the last time it was debated; the conclusion was that he only had evidence of merging with Universe 7. Gowasu specifically said "He is becoming one with the universe and transcending its law and order." And while Zeno did nuke the entire timeline and all 12 universes just to get rid of him, that's not really evidence he merged with those other 11 universes. I do not agree with a 3-A downgrade for other reasons. And in fact, if he truly merged with Trunks' timeline, then there are going to be arguments that the Low 2-C cast are 2-C.
This information is pretty helpful yes. I still haven't found that guide book scan about the space-time barriers, but I did find a multitude of AKM Sama's past statements that are worth sharing.
- https://vsbattles.com/threads/addin...n-page-to-the-wiki.122718/page-2#post-4141021
- https://vsbattles.com/threads/updating-beerus-ap-justifications.121896/#post-4040998
- https://vsbattles.com/threads/addin...n-page-to-the-wiki.122718/page-4#post-4170824
- https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-super-cosmology-discussion.115262/page-2#post-3705655
- https://vsbattles.com/threads/timeline-destruction-issues-concerns.109593/#post-3423042
- https://vsbattles.com/threads/very-...-super-revision-continued.52449/#post-1762159
- https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-super-tier-2-debunk.61448/#post-2042737
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doesn't most of these rely on the rosat being inside the universe? this was already accepted as not being the case some 2 threads ago
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@DarkDragonMedeus The other 11 universes is irrelevant to my point, he literally showed up to the current timeline while also being in trunks’ timeline, meaning he literally became one with a timeline hence Goku’s statement that they had to run away from trunks’ timeline to escape Zeno’s erasure.
Literally how does it prove the timeline is 2-C because the only evidence we had was ROSAT potentially otherworld.
Literally how does it prove the timeline is 2-C because the only evidence we had was ROSAT potentially otherworld.
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@DarkDragonMedeus As far as that goes, I'm fairy certain the Anime itself strongly implies said spatio temporal barriers exists between universes too, as it had Goku Black (who actually spent the whole arc travelling between universes) surmise the distortion he created that could lead to a different time period could equally lead to one of the other universes.
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"It would make sense that they would destroy Universe 7 first, since that's the universe they are in, and after breaking through the dimensional walls of U7, they would destroy Universe 6."
Brolly and Gogeta destroyed U7's dimensional walls in the fight, it is mentioned during the anime comics
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@DarkDragonMedeus As far as that goes, I'm fairy certain the Anime itself strongly implies said spatio temporal barriers exists between universes too, as it had Goku Black (who actually spent the whole arc travelling between universes) surmise the distortion he created that could lead to a different time period could equally lead to one of the other universes.
He simply don't know what he has done or what he has created, his power exceeds his own expectations.
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i am confused, how does that scene implies a spatio temporal barrier?@DarkDragonMedeus As far as that goes, I'm fairy certain the Anime itself strongly implies said spatio temporal barriers exists between universes too, as it had Goku Black (who actually spent the whole arc travelling between universes) surmise the distortion he created that could lead to a different time period could equally lead to one of the other universes.
how is a dimensional wall relevant? different dimensions=/=different spacetimes
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It doesn't matter if he didn't know what the distortion truly was, he initially reads it as some sort of space-time rip (this is even already accepted on his profile as well), and when he does, he categorizes a path to a different universe together with a path to a different time period.
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or just a path to a different time period while also going to a different universe
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He clearly talks about them as two separate possibilities. That would be nonsensically redundant verbiage if it's what he meant, it would be like going out of one's way to point out that going to a different country or continent also means going to a different city.
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The point that he is entirely unsure of what he has created and guessing many things for it to be entirely separate things at that already makes the point moot as per our standards.
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He's not guessing anything in regards to how a space-time rip works in DB though (which is what he initially assumes it to be), the only thing he's guessing is what the distortion truly may be. If this were just some random character I'd see your point, but Black is literally an apprentice God of Creation who has spent that entire arc travelling between universes and timelines. He knows what he's talking about.
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The guy who has been travelling between universes and timelines cannot be sure of what he looking at is whether future, past, or different universes would be more to point as something impossible, as it's implying he don't know what he is talking about. I saw the arc, I saw the black goku doing it, and I know he is talking about he is unsure of what he has done or created and what exactly it is, his power exceeds his expectations. Gowasa confirmed and explained what "God of work" is.
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i'm completely lost as to what the point is here. He doesn't have to be completely sure for a fact what the distortion actually is, it's completely irrelevant to the point here. Before concluding that, he initially does actually rationalize it as something, as a space-time rip (again, this has literally been accepted on his profile for years now), and points out that something like that could equally lead to another universe as it could another time period.
The focus here is where a space-time rip is thought to be able to lead in DB by a knowledgeable source on the matter, not what the distortion actually truly was.
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When?
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Because he thinks it could lead to a different universe/timeline. This is the whole reason Sickle of Sorrow is accepted on his profile on this wiki as capable of cutting space-time.
Goku Black (DBS Anime)
Zamasu (ザマス?) was once the Supreme Kai apprentice under Gowasu of Universe 10, who developed a loathing for mortals as he witnessed their actions across the universe, leading him to embark on a crusade against mortals after stealing the body of Son Goku using the Super Dragon Balls, gaining the...
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Bro, do you know that in Japanese, most of the time in contexts space-time = dimension???
Anyway i'm phone so i can't post scan, but iirc. Gowasu and Zamasu using their universe time ring can go to the future of their universe and back. However Shin need to use U7 time ring for U7, that mean each universe should be their own timeline/space-time, or else they Gowasu could just use his time ring to go to the future of U7.
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I have confirmation that each Kaioshin has its own time ring
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It is accepted because of gowasa explaination and most likely possibility from the things talked about the "God of work" but black goku himself was honest enough to say that he is unsure of what exactly that rip is.Because he thinks it could lead to a different universe/timeline. This is the whole reason Sickle of Sorrow is accepted on his profile on this wiki as capable of cutting space-time.
Goku Black (DBS Anime)
Zamasu (ザマス?) was once the Supreme Kai apprentice under Gowasu of Universe 10, who developed a loathing for mortals as he witnessed their actions across the universe, leading him to embark on a crusade against mortals after stealing the body of Son Goku using the Super Dragon Balls, gaining the...
Good question. To be honest I'm not sure myself. Have I slashed a hole into another universe? Or to the distant past or future? Maybe it's a physical manifestation of the anger stewing in my own divine consciousness? All I know now is that my strength surpasses my own understanding! It's a higher summit than either man or God has yet explored!
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Gowasu doesn't give any sort of explanation on it I think you're mistaking that for something else, it's from Black's explanation in that quote. Not that it really matters though.
Dude, what the rip truly is or Black not knowing with certainty is completely irrelevant to the point here, which is the implied nature of space-time rips (something Black actually rationalizes it to possibly be).
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I don't need to tell where the problem lies.
Regardless, it being supported as rift in spacetime has been supported by various other medias and has been implied in the show. So it being spacetime rip is fine. But saying black goku knew what "God of work" or rip is entirely contradictory to what he said. He was unsure When asked what it is. So I don't know what's the point of this statement even is when the one making the statement doesn't even know about the rip.
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Again that's not remotely what the point even is, he doesn't have to know what that particular rift is to know how space-time in general works inverse, which is what the argument is based on.
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Yeah?... I am entirely unsure tbh what's the point of even bringing black goku Statement on "God of work". I don't see any kind relevancy.
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there's this quote here about overcoming space and time
News | "Future Trunks Arc" Announced For "Dragon Ball Super"
Toei Animation and Akira Toriyama have officially announced a new 'Future Trunks Arc' coming to the 'Dragon Ball Super' TV series beginning in June 2016
www.kanzenshuu.com
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I don't know how else to make it any clearer. Might as well leave it to the staff.
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Not particularly. We run this community kind of like a very well-intended business. We do have a bit of a hierarchy, but do not take it to extremes, and are definitely trying our hardest to not be abusive.
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That seems like very useful official evidence then.
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Can somebody knowledgeable and experienced collect all of the presented links with evidence for separate time-space continuums into a single post please?
It is probably best if you take screencapture images of Twitter links and similar and show them as well.
It is probably best if you take screencapture images of Twitter links and similar and show them as well.
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If the post in question is excessively lengthy, it may be prudent to create a sandbox to present both sides in a manner that does not detract from the current discussion.
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depends on the kanji used, what is the kanji used in this instance?
until you post the scan we can't believe this 100%, so when you have time post it here
read above
i don't see how that is relevant
there's this quote here about overcoming space and time
News | "Future Trunks Arc" Announced For "Dragon Ball Super"
Toei Animation and Akira Toriyama have officially announced a new 'Future Trunks Arc' coming to the 'Dragon Ball Super' TV series beginning in June 2016
this is talking about them going through time and space when they go to the alternate timelinne of trunks, it is not talking about any universe
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Its not necessarely a contradiction, its an alternative explanation of how time flow in that place, in anycase timeless dimensions have been treated as Low 2-C before if they are proven ti be as big as universes.
So if we do accept Goku's statement, it still show that Other World and Mortal Realm have each their own separated space-time, making the macrocosmo Low 2-C.
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no because the statement is talking about how there is no time at all in there, there is no reason to assume that it isn't acontradiction and to say that it is talking about timeflow needs more proof because the statement of goku straight up says that there is no timeflow at all there, which is contradicted so we will not use it, but again this is derailing, these points were brought far too many times, so much that there is a rule about them, to use them is derail
prove this, show me an example
nope, since goku statement is contradicted numerous times were it is shown that there is time in the afterlife, so we will not use a contradictory statement
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