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I think so, but lolapplearcadeexclusive so I don't even recall myself
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Dr. Eggman vs Rick Sanchez | Genius Battle
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ShionAH
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I will be answering all the wincons I can see from Egg Man, saying either Rick can counter them or they are possible wincons that can make him win. Obviously both have wincons so.
Federation has already tried copying Rick's intelligence, trying to gain the formula for some of his inventions. Yet when they tried it Rick simply hacked into their systems freed himself and destroyed the entire thing in one afternoon.
It could work maybe? I doubt it though. Lets say it worked though, it wouldnt matter because Rick could just keep amping his intelligence to outwit it.
Just amp his intelligence to even more supergenius, like these machines made Snuffles go from ANIMALISTIC to SUPERGENIUS. Another one made Summer go from Gifted to Extraordinary Genius. Now image a Rick with this equipment and a mega seed lol
Perception - Rick's perception is 5D and even though you guys told me Ruby can affect 5D stuff its not on the profile. But whats more important is Rick is actually somewhat resistant to this. Not in any actual resistance but with raw intelligence. So it barely matters really.
"He discerned that he was ensconced within a simulation, which was within another simulation, itself nestled within a larger simulation. The final layer was nearly indistinguishable from reality in every conceivable aspect. Later, he manipulated and tricked the aliens into self-destructing."
Clones/Illusions - Rick can genuinly just nuke the entire army, instantly attack Egg Man ignoring the army or just directly affect Egg Man ignoring his army. His decoys would also keep making more decoys which could technically possibly could allow Rick to have his army to keep being alive? Barely matters since I am starting to think Rick will just try to destroy it all or affect it all at the same time.
Yet Heistotron absolutely destroys this feat by doing 975 trillion 467 billion heist in an extremely limited amount of time, these Heists werent even just stealing from a Museum. He was literally stealing entire planets and solar systems. Heistotron and Rick also was able to make a insane Heist plan that contained 10325 layers and doublecrosses inside of it.
Number difference is too much... hell EVEN IF WE ASSUME Sage has all this infinite knowledge. Space Cruiser has it too.
It literally has information on the infinite multiverse, Rick can just use it like Google. It has infinite universes information in it, infinite information.
I will now be talking about Rick's wincons. Thing I believe Egg Man cannot deal with, I'll also not be biased and see if Egg Man can deal with them.
Egg Man could potentially use Reality Warping? Might not be fast enough though. Not sure.
Hell Rick can do it without his portal gun, which means he can BFR the entire army at once (S1 Ep11)
Space Cruiser can also scout and has information on the infinite multiverse so it can easily find an Egg Man.
Its also shown Rick's transmutation is NOT limited to organic beings. Which means it COULD work on Egg Mans army.
Egg Man could prepare for this and protect himself, not sure how but I doubt he'll be taken down that easily.
Rick is also able to negate Acasuality Type 4 of everyone in the universe. So it also doesnt matter...
"Immature and short-tempered. Has little direct combat experience outside of using his machines" and from what I know in the games his general intelligence is generally not impressive. Its mostly his bots that do the work
I think Rick could also just manipulate him into killing himself.
Hell lets say Egg Man is smarter than Rick. IT DOESNT MATTER! He can literally just amp his intelligence to even more supergenius, like these machines made Snuffles go from ANIMALISTIC to SUPERGENIUS. Another one made Summer go from Gifted to Extraordinary Genius. Now image a Rick with this equipment and a mega seed lol
Or maybe Rick can just pray to Jesus (this is a wincon Idc Idc)
Hell Rick could also just grab a few Morties and a jumper cable. This would allow him to even hide from OTHER RICKS. You know the guys who can do shit like this
Information Analysis (Can analyze entire galaxies to find specific types of planets with his devices,[2] he can detect how many hours a day is on a planet.[2] He is able to analyze beings and objects at a molecular level,[2] can measure power levels of objects or beings.[39] Rick can analyze all possible forces acting on a planet to determine whether they were caused by an unknown entity or a local inhabitant[14])
Information Analysis and Cosmic Knowledge (Space Cruiser can be used to scout through the multiverse to find a specific type of universe[13])
Yet Rick could straight up make himself invisible to them. Which means Egg Man will likely go into this battle without even knowing shit about Rick.
My Opinions? Well I gotta say this match is HARD. Like wow these guys are fucking filled with guns. I personally have little idea who wins, its pretty close.
I want to ask one question, how can Egg Man get past Rick's Cookies and Acasuality 4 Negation? If I dont get a good answer I personally say Rick, if there is a good answer I'll personally say Inconclusive.
I love this matchup, no matter who wins I love it. I wish I didn't have to limit Egg Man but since yall gave him 6D shit I had to lol. If you guys think its unfair we could just make it Incon. I have never written something this long for quite some time. Feels great, love this duo. Love Egg Man (Not in a freaky way).
To not make myself look biased, this'll be my last message. Depending on the answer for Fortune Cookies, I'll make my vote and wait for others opinions.
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Federation has already tried copying Rick's intelligence, trying to gain the formula for some of his inventions. Yet when they tried it Rick simply hacked into their systems freed himself and destroyed the entire thing in one afternoon.
It could work maybe? I doubt it though. Lets say it worked though, it wouldnt matter because Rick could just keep amping his intelligence to outwit it.
Just amp his intelligence to even more supergenius, like these machines made Snuffles go from ANIMALISTIC to SUPERGENIUS. Another one made Summer go from Gifted to Extraordinary Genius. Now image a Rick with this equipment and a mega seed lol
- Mind Control
- Phantom Ruby
Perception - Rick's perception is 5D and even though you guys told me Ruby can affect 5D stuff its not on the profile. But whats more important is Rick is actually somewhat resistant to this. Not in any actual resistance but with raw intelligence. So it barely matters really.
"He discerned that he was ensconced within a simulation, which was within another simulation, itself nestled within a larger simulation. The final layer was nearly indistinguishable from reality in every conceivable aspect. Later, he manipulated and tricked the aliens into self-destructing."
Clones/Illusions - Rick can genuinly just nuke the entire army, instantly attack Egg Man ignoring the army or just directly affect Egg Man ignoring his army. His decoys would also keep making more decoys which could technically possibly could allow Rick to have his army to keep being alive? Barely matters since I am starting to think Rick will just try to destroy it all or affect it all at the same time.
- Nightmare Eggman form
- Metal Virus
- Heistotron, Space Cruiser and Sage (The AI Gang)
Yet Heistotron absolutely destroys this feat by doing 975 trillion 467 billion heist in an extremely limited amount of time, these Heists werent even just stealing from a Museum. He was literally stealing entire planets and solar systems. Heistotron and Rick also was able to make a insane Heist plan that contained 10325 layers and doublecrosses inside of it.
Number difference is too much... hell EVEN IF WE ASSUME Sage has all this infinite knowledge. Space Cruiser has it too.
It literally has information on the infinite multiverse, Rick can just use it like Google. It has infinite universes information in it, infinite information.
I will now be talking about Rick's wincons. Thing I believe Egg Man cannot deal with, I'll also not be biased and see if Egg Man can deal with them.
- Mmm I am Mr Frundles!
Egg Man could potentially use Reality Warping? Might not be fast enough though. Not sure.
- BFR
Hell Rick can do it without his portal gun, which means he can BFR the entire army at once (S1 Ep11)
- Weapon too cool for a name
Space Cruiser can also scout and has information on the infinite multiverse so it can easily find an Egg Man.
- Anti Matter Gun + Portals
- Transmutation with Space Cruiser
Its also shown Rick's transmutation is NOT limited to organic beings. Which means it COULD work on Egg Mans army.
- Sealing
Egg Man could prepare for this and protect himself, not sure how but I doubt he'll be taken down that easily.
- Empathic Manipulation
- Fortune Cookies Baby!
Rick is also able to negate Acasuality Type 4 of everyone in the universe. So it also doesnt matter...
- Raw Intelligence + Social Influencing
"Immature and short-tempered. Has little direct combat experience outside of using his machines" and from what I know in the games his general intelligence is generally not impressive. Its mostly his bots that do the work
I think Rick could also just manipulate him into killing himself.
Hell lets say Egg Man is smarter than Rick. IT DOESNT MATTER! He can literally just amp his intelligence to even more supergenius, like these machines made Snuffles go from ANIMALISTIC to SUPERGENIUS. Another one made Summer go from Gifted to Extraordinary Genius. Now image a Rick with this equipment and a mega seed lol
- Meta Reality
Or maybe Rick can just pray to Jesus (this is a wincon Idc Idc)
- Knowledge...
Hell Rick could also just grab a few Morties and a jumper cable. This would allow him to even hide from OTHER RICKS. You know the guys who can do shit like this
Information Analysis (Can analyze entire galaxies to find specific types of planets with his devices,[2] he can detect how many hours a day is on a planet.[2] He is able to analyze beings and objects at a molecular level,[2] can measure power levels of objects or beings.[39] Rick can analyze all possible forces acting on a planet to determine whether they were caused by an unknown entity or a local inhabitant[14])
Information Analysis and Cosmic Knowledge (Space Cruiser can be used to scout through the multiverse to find a specific type of universe[13])
Yet Rick could straight up make himself invisible to them. Which means Egg Man will likely go into this battle without even knowing shit about Rick.
- Death Crystals!
- Pure AP
My Opinions? Well I gotta say this match is HARD. Like wow these guys are fucking filled with guns. I personally have little idea who wins, its pretty close.
I want to ask one question, how can Egg Man get past Rick's Cookies and Acasuality 4 Negation? If I dont get a good answer I personally say Rick, if there is a good answer I'll personally say Inconclusive.
I love this matchup, no matter who wins I love it. I wish I didn't have to limit Egg Man but since yall gave him 6D shit I had to lol. If you guys think its unfair we could just make it Incon. I have never written something this long for quite some time. Feels great, love this duo. Love Egg Man (Not in a freaky way).
To not make myself look biased, this'll be my last message. Depending on the answer for Fortune Cookies, I'll make my vote and wait for others opinions.
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Could Zavok clones just take over or at least nullify any of Rick's tech?
For the record, Eggman and many of his stronger machines resist transmutation, and he could have access to his own transmutation on a planetary scale with prep. BFR also wouldn't work on Eggman since he escaped a realm beyond the scope of a 6D cosmology with no ressources. Why is Eggman's nightmare form not useful again?
I have a few other issues woth your breakdown, but I can't think of a reliable counter to the fortune cookies off the top of my head. Haven't seen their episode though, so I don't even know how useful they are.
For the record, Eggman and many of his stronger machines resist transmutation, and he could have access to his own transmutation on a planetary scale with prep. BFR also wouldn't work on Eggman since he escaped a realm beyond the scope of a 6D cosmology with no ressources. Why is Eggman's nightmare form not useful again?
I have a few other issues woth your breakdown, but I can't think of a reliable counter to the fortune cookies off the top of my head. Haven't seen their episode though, so I don't even know how useful they are.
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How do they work?
They make the use completely immortal until their fortune is resolved, Rick can type anything into them and eat them. Cookies will passively warp fate and probability allowing that thing in the cookie to happen eventually its pretty strong and pretty sure normal causality manipulation cannot even stop them.
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I'm ngl the Phantom Ruby page is just outdated. It's currently accepted in Dr. Eggman's page under Modern Era -> With Inventions/Equipment -> Egg Field/Phantom Ruby. Thank you for reminding me that page needs updating though.
Incredible respect to you, honestly. Oftentimes debates delve into a pissing contest with passive aggressiveness, but I'm glad there are still plenty who take powerscaling for what it is; having fun. It's absolutely refreshing.I love this matchup, no matter who wins I love it. I wish I didn't have to limit Egg Man but since yall gave him 6D shit I had to lol. If you guys think its unfair we could just make it Incon. I have never written something this long for quite some time. Feels great, love this duo. Love Egg Man (Not in a freaky way).
After looking at it, yeah, I knew Rick was ridiculous but some of his feats are just genuine Light Novel-esque stupidity. Outsmarting Nigh-Omniscients, his transferring consciousness, Heistotron's number of simulations, his literal idiotic levels of meta-outplanning, etc. just tip things too far in his favor and negates some of Dr. Eggman's best wincons sans playing the numbers game (as I still believe the Ruby's on-command cloning still seems uncounterable). Nightmare Eggman is still valid, but I'm actually unsure the form would matter much due to Rick's planning and Info Analysis as the only thing that resists Info Analysis is the Phantom Ruby itself.
Still not voting yet, but I'm now leaning towards voting Rick.
ShakeResounding
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Rick definitely has the intelligence to see that they're illusions because of that, no question. The real problem is that knowing they're illusions doesn't make them stop, as that Virtual Sun that Infinite made would've still killed them without harming anyone else.
However, Rick is obviously still able to use hax and the likes on the illusions and removing the Phantom Ruby from Dr. Eggman's possession will negate his usage of it entirely (as it needs to be in his possession/apart of his robot). As Rick often portals directly into the pilot cockpit, it's a potential route in eliminating that issue should Dr. Eggman be holding it rather than plugging it in a mecha.
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Zavok can control any machine mentally by manipulating magbetic fields. It's not hacking or conventional technology manipulation
ShionAH
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I am not sure, closest thing Rick has is his tech is immune to nanobots. It should work..
I want to add something I remember that may be a huge advantage for Rick, Fortune Cookies can passively distrupt and destroy technology if needed.
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Btw, Eggfield is 5D hax........is it allowed here or nope?
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That'd be really badass to see. Normally it's not in Eggman's style to throw hands, but if he saw how much of a monster Rick is even to his own family? He'd definitely be down for snapping Rick apart like a toothpick
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Eggman doesn't have the Chaos Emeralds as optional equipment
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Well that's stupid
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Huh? As Pepto said......man, Eggman's profile needs more fixing than i thought
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Nah, it is a field/dimension he creates using the Phantom Ruby
It has potential to decide the match
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If its an instant win, I am not sure but how is creating a place gonna let him win against Rick? Rick resists BFR so Egg Man cannot just take him there
Even if it does work, its a great wincon I guess I'll allow it. Even though I still dont think Egg Man can use it before he dies because he will not have knowledge and Rick's intelligence and additions are pretty strong here
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Basically, he creates it arround the planet to forcefully change reality/history and memories to make people believe and live in a world where he always ruled
May be an instanst win tho......so idk how fair it would be
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Are we sure he'll start with this? I already explained he will have a really hard time researching Rick above
Can he also make this in a week? And is it technology maybe Rick can hack/make it malfunction or smth
Edit: The Profile doesnt have it in his equipment... I cannot see it lol
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With prepe time and Sage's analisis, yeah
It isn't optional equipment
Inventions and equipment tabber
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He cannot really research Rick, Heistotron and Space Cruiser outscale Sages planning
Yes it isnt, its literally not even mentioned on his profile expect. What even is it? A machine? How do we know he can make it in a week
Maybe I am blind but I cannot see it not even in standart equipment.
Standard Equipment: The Eggmobile & his Badniks | The Eggmobile, Item Box, The Egg Fleet (Adventure Era), and his Badniks | The Eggmobile, The Egg Fleet (Modern Era), his Badniks, Item Box, Wisps and Metal Sonic[58][62][99][100] | Nightmare Fuel (This is his likely source of power, which he acquired by corrupting Magination and taking over the Reverie), Reverie | Power of the Stars | Altered Phantom Ruby Prototype
- Optional Equipment: Rings, Supreme's Rifle (Modern Era Only), Egg Spring, Mind Control Ray, Power Amplifier, Extreme Gear & Ark of the Cosmos (Modern Era Only)
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He can do it tho? Cyberspace pulling information remember? It doesn't matter if they can outplan, Sage wouls give him what she would think is the best option
Also by that logic.....neither can Rick really research Eggman either
Go to his modern era section in his powers and abilities section
With the Master Emerald, which he could find easily in like, a day, since he literally knows where it is + Neo Metal and his Chaos Control, he can just time travel and grab it from his past self, or from another universe, etc, he doesn't really need to make it
Not that it matters since it isn't optional equipment
Go to his Powers and abilities section, go to his modern era section, "with inventions and equipment" then "egg field"
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It being on PnA does not mean its standart equipment Omega. Especially since unlike Rick Egg Mans profile does not say which ones are standart/optional. I cannot take your word for it especially when Egg Field only has like 2-3 scans which imply it isnt a consistent equipment
Cyberspace would not be able to track Rick down if Rick uses 5 Morties and a Jumper Cable since it allows him to hide even from other Ricks who can scan infinite universes and information just like Sage.
I dont think Time Traveling is allowed like that in prep times, but I am not sure. It would 'cause problems for prep time battles. By that logic Rick can go to a universe where he won the battle and just copy that Ricks moves lol (That would be dumb and unfair)
Rick can counter it with fortune cookies if its technological so it may not be a unfair wincon
Anyways, I made my case. Its a fair match (I think) voting can start yall
Sage vs Heistotron battle next??
Cyberspace would not be able to track Rick down if Rick uses 5 Morties and a Jumper Cable since it allows him to hide even from other Ricks who can scan infinite universes and information just like Sage.
I dont think Time Traveling is allowed like that in prep times, but I am not sure. It would 'cause problems for prep time battles. By that logic Rick can go to a universe where he won the battle and just copy that Ricks moves lol (That would be dumb and unfair)
Rick can counter it with fortune cookies if its technological so it may not be a unfair wincon
Anyways, I made my case. Its a fair match (I think) voting can start yall
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......my dude, there is an entire section only for listing Optional Equipment in the profile...............and Egg Field isn't there
Eggman did that on his own, it isn't something that he needs an outside source or anything like that
Cyber Space is 5D, unless this method is 5D in potency that won't matter
by that logic Eggman can do the same lmao
it is made by a Gem, the Phantom Ruby, a altered version that Eggman made by himself
fair enough
i will vote Eggman in favor of the Egg Field all all other stuff said above
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I watched that episode and that episode is a shitshow of randomness without any type of logic on it, the plans of that episode have 0 logic behind and I would even argue is a parody that should not be taken serious, even the quote of the "975 trillions" plans is not even propely finished and at the end of it, the logic behind their "plans" is "I programmed you to believe you will believe your believe" with ammounts to nothing, simple as that
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Also sure, I can vote inconclusive, the match up is extremely complex but I just wanted to say my opinion about the "975 trillion" plan robot
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Its also not in his Standart Equipment. So technically he does not even have it if you wanna go down that road.
You'd need a CRT to remove that entire episode from the profile, being a parody isnt enough though. Many episodes of R&M is parodies.
What? My man Heistotron says "I brung all of you here, Welcome to Heistotrons 975 trillion-" he is talking about his Heists. This is a heist, its his heist.
"If you're talking about
the code adjustments you made after I reprogrammed
your brain with my nanobots..."
"I'm immune to your nanobots."
"You're immune to the ones
you designed, not mine."
"I programmed you to build nanobots that were ineffective on me."
"A belief that needed to be placed in your head by my nanobots."
"You believe that
because I programmed you to."
Even though at first it sounds random, when you really look into their quotes you can see it. Rick says he did A, Heistotron says he knew A would happen so did B, Rick says he programmed him to do B, Heistotron says he programmed Rick to think he programmed him to do B, Rick says he programmed Heistotron to think he programmed Rick to think he programmed him to do B, Heistotron says he programmed Rick to think he programmed Heistotron to think he programmed Rick to think he programmed him to do B.
This goes on for 2 hours, by the end of it it would be something like Heistotron says he programmed Rick to think he programmed Heistotron to think he programmed Rick to think he programmed him to think he programmed Rick to think he programmed him to think he programmed Rick to think he programmed him to think he programmed Rick to think he programmed him to think he programmed Rick to think he programmed him to think he programmed Rick to think he programmed him to think he programmed Rick to think he programmed him to think he programmed Rick to think he programmed him to think he programmed Rick to think he programmed him to think he programmed Rick to think he programmed him to think he programmed Rick to think he programmed him to do B.
So even though its stupid, its factual planning that is just... really crazy. Hell even at the end says "And I planned you to think that" which support my argument
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.........if isn't in his optional equipment, then it is standard equipment, like........idk what road you are on rn
put in inconclusive as well
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i mean......i think it would be kind of logical to see that whatever isn't in his Optional equipment tabber would be his standard equipI dont think thats how reality works. If it was standart it would be in his standart equipment
yeah, Eggman does that, it is a personal thing with him, he doesn't like to repeat plans against Sonic, if a thing failed against the blue rat he wants to always top himself up with a bigger plan and invention
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After reading whole 2 pages of yappery, it seems to me that Rick is far more likely to win tbh
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This matchup broke my brain and wore down my patience. Idk who wins and what works against who. I do know that with speed unequalized or tier 1 stuff unrestricted, Eggman stomps though. Lol
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