Doubts that I have about the jujutsu vs after reading everything.

When doing a vs do the domains affect non-magical characters?
The general rule is that all verses affect each other, but would you be ignoring a key weakness of the characters in the verse? Can we assume that it is not the same with all domains? For example, if Sukuna destroys buildings, would Maki be affected by it?
then the infinite void of gojo satoru?
Since cursed power is magical power, maybe magical verses do work but not in non-magical verses?
I say mash can a domain affect mash or deku one is from a magical verse but without magic and another is from a verse of mutant-style powers.

speed
how are we with that?
Mach three is considered very fast for an unawakened maki and an unawakened maki was higher than the first supreme grade and an awakened maki was seen to be superior to that mach 3 and then was on a par with a restrained sukuna that seeing how things are going is less than a gojo at full while a sukuna is also at full.

Is purple really that strong?
At 200% sukuna I can stand it as if it was nothing, or it puts sukuna very high or puts purple down, it's supposed to deny durability, right? so what happened there?
normal attacks are doing more damage lacerating half body without being influenced by the utahime buff

 

[noisyPitta]

When doing a vs do the domains affect non-magical characters?

In the JJK verse all base humans can be affected by techiques and Domain Expansions, the only people immune to it are Toji and Maki. By this logic, any humans from any other series would still be hit by them.

speed
how are we with that?
Mach three is considered very fast for an unawakened maki and an unawakened maki was higher than the first supreme grade and an awakened maki was seen to be superior to that mach 3 and then was on a par with a restrained sukuna that seeing how things are going is less than a gojo at full while a sukuna is also at full.

JJK's speed scaling is ******. There's no single consistent way to do it and I expect this debate will be going on for years. Generally I feel like the Cursed Naoya fight is basically ignored when it comes to speed scaling, everything else goes from either Maki's bullet catch or Hakari's lightning reaction.

Is purple really that strong?
At 200% sukuna I can stand it as if it was nothing, or it puts sukuna very high or puts purple down, it's supposed to deny durability, right? so what happened there?
normal attacks are doing more damage lacerating half body without being influenced by the utahime buff

Up until a few chapters ago, purple had not been blocked by anything in the series. This is the first time purple's EE has been brought into question and there hasnt been a proper discussion about it yet but it is likely to be nerfed at some point in the future.

In general, JJK's scaling and profiles are pretty messy and in a lot of cases people will be against using them in proper fights because of this.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Is purple really that strong?
At 200% sukuna I can stand it as if it was nothing, or it puts sukuna very high or puts purple down, it's supposed to deny durability, right? so what happened there?
normal attacks are doing more damage lacerating half body without being influenced by the utahime buff

I thought It's not enough to finish an S grade cursed spirit like Sukuna and that they can't be exorcised by normal means, that's why we see S grade being sealed (object, person)

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

When doing a vs do the domains affect non-magical characters?
The general rule is that all verses affect each other, but would you be ignoring a key weakness of the characters in the verse? Can we assume that it is not the same with all domains? For example, if Sukuna destroys buildings, would Maki be affected by it?
then the infinite void of gojo satoru?
Since cursed power is magical power, maybe magical verses do work but not in non-magical verses?
I say mash can a domain affect mash or deku one is from a magical verse but without magic and another is from a verse of mutant-style powers.

Isn't the domain ineffective against people without cursed energy like Maki ? (chapter198)
we know she has it but limited to body, only people who have regular cursed energy are affected by it.
It consider people without CE as object, it cannot trap or affect them (weakness?)

 

[Kingur_RG3]

¿No es el dominio ineficaz contra personas sin energía maldita como Maki?
sabemos que lo tiene, pero limitado al cuerpo, solo las personas que tienen energía maldita regular se ven afectadas por él.
Considera como objeto a las personas sin CE, no puede atraparlas ni afectarlas (¿debilida

is what I was thinking it is always assumed that the soul is something general in the vs
but not so with things like magic or neon or etc.
Basically the weakness would be that although all the people of both sorcerers and non-sorcerers have cursed energy to which the domains point, in the non-magical verses since they do not have any of that energy then it would remain as a true weakness.
Normally it would not be a problem, but since the function of the domains is so strongly specified, it is a rather big con in the vs. more if we consider that it does not allow the use of techniques for a while

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Is purple really that strong?
At 200% sukuna I can stand it as if it was nothing, or it puts sukuna very high or puts purple down, it's supposed to deny durability, right? so what happened there?
normal attacks are doing more damage lacerating half body without being influenced by the utahime buff

Do you think It's somethnig like anti-matter?
It didn't affect Sukuna because there wasn't enough energy.

 

[Kingur_RG3]

Do you think It's somethnig like anti-matter?
It didn't affect Sukuna because there wasn't enough energy.

I understand purple as a black hole that destroys everything inside it
an imaginary mass that devastates everything being unblockable but not inescapable but sukuna blocked it
that generated doubts

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I understand purple as a black hole that destroys everything inside it
an imaginary mass that devastates everything being unblockable but not inescapable but sukuna blocked it
that generated doubts

no, It's just cursed energy like everything in the verse.
Gojo limitless was nullified by the black whip , the sealing box, Inverted Spear of Heaven and the innate domain (Sukuna used his innate domain to bypass thelimitless and touch Gojo)
everything in the verse is cursed energy manifesting as something (space,mass,energy,object) but It's fake that's why It can be resisted by just resisting CE.
everything has limit otherwise It's NLF.

 

[SunDaGamer]

I understand purple as a black hole that destroys everything inside it
an imaginary mass that devastates everything being unblockable but not inescapable but sukuna blocked it
that generated doubts

No, Purple is Virtual Mass like Yuki's Star Rage

 

[SunDaGamer]

The general rule is that all verses affect each other, but would you be ignoring a key weakness of the characters in the verse? Can we assume that it is not the same with all domains? For example, if Sukuna destroys buildings, would Maki be affected by it?
then the infinite void of gojo satoru?
Since cursed power is magical power, maybe magical verses do work but not in non-magical verses?

Malevolent Shrine is a different case from regular Domains, it slashes both targets with Cursed Energy and inanimate objects. It's said that a DE will treat Maki like it would a building so Sukuna's Domain would affect her. Since CE is energy born from negative emotions, I'd imagine verse equilzation would lead to non-Sorcerers being treated like civilians in JJK, having no CE is considered an anamolous feature that grants Acausality.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

No, Purple is Virtual Mass like Yuki's Star Rage

at It's base it still just cursed energy

Malevolent Shrine is a different case from regular Domains, it slashes both targets with Cursed Energy and inanimate objects. It's said that a DE will treat Maki like it would a building so Sukuna's Domain would affect her.

yeah, only Sukuna's DE

Since CE is energy born from negative emotions, I'd imagine verse equilzation would lead to non-Sorcerers being treated like civilians in JJK

It's more that just negative emotion.
how do object have CE if It's emotion and what make sorcerer different is their brain being able to use it

having no CE is considered an anamolous feature that grants Acausality.

why?
we know object like regular buildings don't have CE.
CE itself is the abnormality (artificial) and not something natural.
using energy equalization it will be something like a unique energy.

 

[SunDaGamer]

why?
we know object like regular buildings don't have CE.
CE itself is the abnormality (artificial) and not something natural.
using energy equalization it will be something like a unique energy.

Cursed Energy isn't artificial, regular people leak Cursed Energy all the time which spawns Cursed Spirits. Toji and Maki are the only people in the verse that have 0 CE and that's due to their Heavenly Restriction which makes them anomalies capable of breaking fate

It's more that just negative emotion.
how do object have CE if It's emotion and what make sorcerer different is their brain being able to use it

CURSED ENERGY (呪力 - juryoku) Negative emotions manifest curses. "Cursed energy“ is the energy that leaks out from the negative emotions of human beings. Sorcerers voluntarily generate cursed energy, as if they were generating their own electricity, and make full use of it in order to activate a variety of techniques. Since negative emotions like anger, hatred, envy, and jealousy are the triggers for cursed energy, all sorcerers are trained to generate cursed energy from the slightest spark of emotion. This training is also useful to avoid wasting cursed energy when emotions are greatly shaken.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Cursed Energy isn't artificial, regular people leak Cursed Energy all the time which spawns Cursed Spirits. Toji and Maki are the only people in the verse that have 0 CE and that's due to their Heavenly Restriction which makes them anomalies capable of breaking fate

yes, human made thing and not a part of reality.(the world is not dependent on it)
that why It's unique energy

Toji and Maki both have it but restricted to body strengthening(heavenly restriction), similarly to Rock Lee (naruto).

 

[SunDaGamer]

yes, human made thing and not a part of reality.(the world is not dependent on it)
that why It's unique energy

Toji and Maki both have it but restricted to body strengthening(heavenly restriction), similarly to Rock Lee (naruto).

Toji and Maki can quite literally break the ties of destiny and existed as outliers in Jujutsu because they have 0 cursed energy, they're not strengthening their bodies with CE because they don't have it at all, it's a little bit more than Rock Lee.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Toji and Maki can quite literally break the ties of destiny and existed as outliers in Jujutsu because they have 0 cursed energy, they're not strengthening their bodies with CE because they don't have it at all, it's a little bit more than Rock Lee.

using those words is kind of exaggerating. ( no one ever show a feat of breaking destiny?)
example Maki and her sister are twins so one of them had the ability to use cursed technique while the other didn't.
some people are born with CE but no cursed technique like Yuji, for Toji and Maki their restriction make 100% of their CE go to body strengthening.
remember that what make sorcerer normal people different is their brain, so It's just that Toji and Maki brains work differently.
so yeah the same case.

Gojo (six eyes user) himself said that cursed energy is like electricity and cursed technique are like electric device which explain a lot like being able to bypass the cursed technique like the domain expansion by covering your body in you own cursed energy (innate domain) , also it's how Sukuna bypass Gojo's limitless and was able to touch him.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

also how Sukuna bypass Gojo's limitless and was able to touch him.

You seem to be versed in Jujutsu Kaisen to the point of knowing the current fight, so this question almost seems disingenuous, but let’s say you’re just ignorant.

We’ve known as far as Chapter 15 that Domains can neutralize Limitless. And currently, in the fight against Sukuna, he’s used Domain Amplification, which neutralizes Cursed Techniques. Both of these are very explicit statements, that have been said multiple times before.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

You seem to be versed in Jujutsu Kaisen to the point of knowing the current fight, so this question almost seems disingenuous, but let’s say you’re just ignorant.

We’ve known as far as Chapter 15 that Domains can neutralize Limitless. And currently, in the fight against Sukuna, he’s used Domain Amplification, which neutralizes Cursed Techniques. Both of these are very explicit statements, that have been said multiple times before.

as I mention before

Gojo (six eyes user) himself said that cursed energy is like electricity and cursed technique are like electric device which explain a lot like being able to bypass the cursed technique like the domain expansion by covering your body in you own cursed energy (innate domain) , also it's how Sukuna bypass Gojo's limitless and was able to touch him.

that mean cursed energy can protect from cursed techniques.

 

[SunDaGamer]

using those words is kind of exaggerating. ( no one ever show a feat of breaking destiny?)

Tengen says that Toji broke the Star Plasma Vessel and the Six Eyes from their destinies, keep in mind Kenjaku straight up murdered a baby Six Eyes user and Star Plasma Vessel in the past yet the previous merger still happened on time.

example Maki and her sister are twins so one of them had the ability to use cursed technique while the other didn't.

Cursed Techniques treat twins as one person so Maki's Heavenly Restriction was incomplete so long as Mai lived, Maki possessed the Cursed Energy of a regular human which held back her HR so it wasn't on the level of Toji's. When Mai died, she took away what little CE was in Maki which led fully realized Maki's HR because she possesses absolutely no CE now.

some people are born with CE but no cursed technique like Yuji, for Toji and Maki their restriction make 100% of their CE go to body strengthening.
remember that what make sorcerer normal people different is their brain, so It's just that Toji and Maki brains work differently.
so yeah the same case.

People are not selectively born with Cursed Energy, you're mixing that up with Innate Cursed Techniques which are engraved in a sorcerer's brain at birth. Yuki notes it's possible to teach regular people how to control their Cursed Energy. You also seem to fundamentally misunderstand how Heavenly Restrictions work, HRs work like Binding Vows except they are forced onto someone at birth. Bindings work by giving something in exchange for something else. The more you give away in one field, the more you have to gain in another field. In the case of Toji, in exchange for having no Cursed Energy he was given a physically gifted body that defied the conventional laws of JJK, being able to break fate and overpower the soul of somebody possessing his body which is why he is an anomaly. There is no Cursed Energy empowering Toji nor Maki.

Gojo (six eyes user) himself said that cursed energy is like electricity and cursed technique are like electric device which explain a lot like being able to bypass the cursed technique like the domain expansion by covering your body in you own cursed energy (innate domain) , also how Sukuna bypass Gojo's limitless and was able to touch him.

Covering yourself in Cursed Energy is just Cursed Energy Reinforcement which is something every sorcerer can do, a Domain Expansion is a far more complex technique that expands a sorcerer's Innate Domain by using a Barrier Technique that creates a separate space and imbues it with their Cursed Technique, simply using Cursed Energy without a Cursed Technique to manifest a Domain results in an Innate Domain like the ones seen at the locations of the Finger Bearers. The technique Sukuna used to neutralize Infinity is Domain Amplification which is a more developed version of Simple Domain, keep in mind that Simple Domain is classified separately from Barrier Techniques like the one used for Domain Expansion which is why Sukuna can use Domain Amplification even if he can't use a Domain Expansion in the same moment and why he can use both DE and DA at the same time. What Domain Amplification does is cloak the user with their Domain but they don't imbue that space with their Cursed Technique, thereby allowing them to pour their opponent's CT into that empty space which neutralizes their opponent's technique.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Tengen says that Toji broke the Star Plasma Vessel and the Six Eyes from their destinies, keep in mind Kenjaku straight up murdered a baby Six Eyes user and Star Plasma Vessel in the past yet the previous merger still happened on time.

a statement, It's like saying someone change destiny by killing someone, He didn't stop anything they will eventually be reborn, it's like avatar thing.
there is no actual fate changing feat.

People are not selectively born with Cursed Energy, you're mixing that up with Innate Cursed Techniques which are engraved in a sorcerer's brain at birth. Yuki notes it's possible to teach regular people how to control their Cursed Energy. You also seem to fundamentally misunderstand how Heavenly Restrictions work, HRs work like Binding Vows except they are forced onto someone at birth. Bindings work by giving something in exchange for something else. The more you give away in one field, the more you have to gain in another field. In the case of Toji, in exchange for having no Cursed Energy he was given a physically gifted body that defied the conventional laws of JJK, being able to break fate and overpower the soul of somebody possessing his body which is why he is an anomaly. There is no Cursed Energy empowering Toji nor Maki.

yes, like that guy who control wooden doll, he had a weak body but a lot of CE.
for Toji and Maki they are 0% CE and 100% body strengthening, right?

Covering yourself in Cursed Energy is just Cursed Energy Reinforcement which is something every sorcerer can do, a Domain Expansion is a far more complex technique that expands a sorcerer's Innate Domain by using a Barrier Technique that creates a separate space and imbues it with their Cursed Technique, simply using Cursed Energy without a Cursed Technique to manifest a Domain results in an Innate Domain like the ones seen at the locations of the Finger Bearers. The technique Sukuna used to neutralize Infinity is Domain Amplification which is a more developed version of Simple Domain, keep in mind that Simple Domain is classified separately from Barrier Techniques like the one used for Domain Expansion which is why Sukuna can use Domain Amplification even if he can't use a Domain Expansion in the same moment and why he can use both DE and DA at the same time. What Domain Amplification does is cloak the user with their Domain but they don't imbue that space with their Cursed Technique, thereby allowing them to pour their opponent's CT into that empty space which neutralizes their opponent's technique.

Cursed Energy Reinforcement=aura, body strengthening
Domain Expansion=barrier
at their base their both the manifestation of curse energy and their dependent on it, so stuff that nullify curse energy or technique or protect from them could bypass them.

 

[SunDaGamer]

a statement, It's like saying someone change destiny by killing someone, He didn't stop anything they will eventually be reborn, it's like avatar thing.
there is no actual fate changing feat.

Read Tengen's narration again, Kenjaku killed the Six Eyes user and Star Plasma Vessel when they were babies but somehow a Six Eyes user and SPV appeared in time for the merger in the past because Tengen, the Six Eyes and Star Plasma Vessel are connected by fate. The difference between the merger Kenjaku tried to stop 512 years ago and the merger was stopped 12 years ago is that Toji was involved and was able to break their destinies because he was an anomaly that escaped from Cursed Energy.

Cursed Energy Reinforcement=aura, body strengthening
Domain Expansion=barrier
at their base their both the manifestation of curse energy and their dependent on it, so stuff that nullify curse energy or technique or protect from them could bypass them.

Uh, no? That's not how the power system works at all. CE Reinforcement is more of an internal process from raw Cursed Energy Manipulation while a Domain Expansion is a manifestation of the user's Innate Domain (a metaphysical space that represents their mind and soul) through a Barrier Technique that is then imbued with a CT which grants a guaranteed hit effect. The only nullification we've seen in the series is from the Inverted Spear of Heaven and Black Rope Cursed Tools (which specifically target Innate Cursed Techniques) and Domain Amplificaton which also targets an opponent's CT, Cursed Energy nullification is not in the series.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Read Tengen's narration again, Kenjaku killed the Six Eyes user and Star Plasma Vessel when they were babies but somehow a Six Eyes user and SPV appeared in time for the merger in the past because Tengen, the Six Eyes and Star Plasma Vessel are connected by fate. The difference between the merger Kenjaku tried to stop 512 years ago and the merger was stopped 12 years ago is that Toji was involved and was able to break their destinies because he was an anomaly that escaped from Cursed Energy.

how did he know? clairvoyance ?
because it look like a weakness of his, he can't see people without CE the same weakness of domain Expansion.

Uh, no? That's not how the power system works at all. CE Reinforcement is more of an internal process from raw Cursed Energy Manipulation while a Domain Expansion is a manifestation of the user's Innate Domain (a metaphysical space that represents their mind and soul) through a Barrier Technique that is then imbued with a CT which grants a guaranteed hit effect. The only nullification we've seen in the series is from the Inverted Spear of Heaven and Black Rope Cursed Tools (which specifically target Innate Cursed Techniques) and Domain Amplificaton which also targets an opponent's CT, Cursed Energy nullification is not in the series.

It's something like Subjective reality + barrier make laws and such but let's not forget it's made from CE and It can't recognize or affect people without CE
so it's dependent on it.

Didn't the sealing box touch or affect Gojo?

 

[SunDaGamer]

how did he know? clairvoyance ?
because it look like a weakness of his, he can't see people without CE the same weakness of domain Expansion.

It straight up says Toji escaped fate and broke their destinies, there is no room for argument since we know for a fact that Kenjaku himself was unable to stop the merger otherwise Tengen would have evolved 500 years before the Hidden Inventory Arc. Plus Toji has Acausality on his profile already.

Didn't the sealing box touch or affect Gojo?

Yes, Kenjaku fulfilled the conditions for the Prison Realm which let him seal Gojo

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

It straight up says Toji escaped fate and broke their destinies, there is no room for argument since we know for a fact that Kenjaku himself was unable to stop the merger otherwise Tengen would have evolved 500 years before the Hidden Inventory Arc. Plus Toji has Acausality on his profile already.

Don't think that's how acausality work but fine.

 

[SunDaGamer]

Don't think that's how acausality work but fine.

Acausality (Type 4 - Having Heavenly Restriction on top of being a human who had escaped from Cursed Energy completely, Toji was deemed an anomaly[3]. Through the power of restriction, he had escaped fate[4], this power then allowed him to break Tengen, Six Eyes and the Star Plasma Vessel free of their destinies[5] with them being connected through fate[6])

Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

It's about cause and effect and not being born with or without CE.
CE is not a part of reality to begin with, It's an artificial energy unique to humans
there is no feat of anyone effecting fate, causality or destiny in the verse, just using flowery words to say that Toji and Maki are not normal compared to others.

It's like saying emotions affect cause and effect.(past,present,future)

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

acausality Type 4 is someone who is considered irregular to the world and not just CE
EX: the universe and laws of physics don't apply to him

 

[noisyPitta]

I will forever be against the acausality thing because fate is not shown to be a legitimate universal force in JJK like it is in other series. Tengen is also not a reliable narrator and all this information is based off their presentation of it all.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

I will forever be against the acausality thing because fate is not shown to be a legitimate universal force in JJK like it is in other series. Tengen is also not a reliable narrator and all this information is based off their presentation of it all.

exactly, if the source was a literal statement by an omniscient source then It's valid.

 

[SunDaGamer]

It's about cause and effect and not being born with or without CE.
CE is not a part of reality to begin with, It's an artificial energy unique to humans
there is no feat of anyone effecting fate, causality or destiny in the verse, just using flowery words to say that Toji and Maki are not normal compared to others.

It's like saying emotions affect cause and effect.(past,present,future)

acausality Type 4 is someone who is considered irregular to the world and not just CE
EX: the universe and laws of physics don't apply to him

What the narrative and author tells us:

• Gojo is the first in hundreds of years to have the Six Eyes and Limitless, the Official Fanbook further clarifies that the Gojo clan acquired the Six Eyes again after 400 years with the birth of Satoru. Gojo was born in 1989 which means the previous Six Eyes user died in 1589
• Tengen's merger happens every 500 years, the merger was supposed to happen in 2006 so the last merger happened in 1506
• That's two instances where its confirmed that both a Six Eyes user and Star Plasma Vessel were born in the period of Tengen's merger which is quite a coincidence and there was no other Six Eyes users inbetween, almost like they're linked by something...
• Tengen says that the SPV, 6E and them are linked by fate right before explaining how Kenjaku tried to prevent the merger by killing the 6E and SPV but that didn't work and then Toji's intervention during the Hidden Inventory Arc is held up as a different case compared to Kenjaku's intervention.
• The Kanji that Tengen uses for "Fate" is「因果」which refers to causality

Toji isn't Acausal because he has no CE, he's acausal because he broke the chains of fate (Gege literally drew chains breaking for that panel) around Tengen, the 6E and SPV when he prevented the merger by killing Riko which is something Kenjaku couldn't do in the past despite killing both the 6E user and SPV. Same causes, yet the effects of Toji and Kenjaku's actions were different.
The burden of proof is on you to prove that Tengen, the Six Eyes and the Star Plasma vessel are not linked by fate and explain why Toji and Kenjaku's actions led to different outcomes.

I will forever be against the acausality thing because fate is not shown to be a legitimate universal force in JJK like it is in other series. Tengen is also not a reliable narrator and all this information is based off their presentation of it all.

Nothing Tengen says in chapter 145 is ever contradicted and the exposition in that chapter is vital to understanding the plot and Kenjaku's actions.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

What the narrative and author tells us:

• Gojo is the first in hundreds of years to have the Six Eyes and Limitless, the Official Fanbook further clarifies that the Gojo clan acquired the Six Eyes again after 400 years with the birth of Satoru. Gojo was born in 1989 which means the previous Six Eyes user died in 1589
• Tengen's merger happens every 500 years, the merger was supposed to happen in 2006 so the last merger happened in 1506
• That's two instances where its confirmed that both a Six Eyes user and Star Plasma Vessel were born in the period of Tengen's merger which is quite a coincidence and there was no other Six Eyes users inbetween, almost like they're linked by something...
• Tengen says that the SPV, 6E and them are linked by fate right before explaining how Kenjaku tried to prevent the merger by killing the 6E and SPV but that didn't work and then Toji's intervention during the Hidden Inventory Arc is held up as a different case compared to Kenjaku's intervention.
• The Kanji that Tengen uses for "Fate" is「因果」which refers to causality

Toji isn't Acausal because he has no CE, he's acausal because he broke the chains of fate (Gege literally drew chains breaking for that panel) around Tengen, the 6E and SPV when he prevented the merger by killing Riko which is something Kenjaku couldn't do in the past despite killing both the 6E user and SPV. Same causes, yet the effects of Toji and Kenjaku's actions were different.
The burden of proof is on you to prove that Tengen, the Six Eyes and the Star Plasma vessel are not linked by fate and explain why Toji and Kenjaku's actions led to different outcomes.


Nothing Tengen says in chapter 145 is ever contradicted and the exposition in that chapter is vital to understanding the plot and Kenjaku's actions.

according to this the 6E, SPV and Tengen are connected by Fate but there is no manipulation of any kind for the characters.

Toji not having CE doesn't make acasual character, All we have is characters like Tengen not being able to see him and not the actual world, to me It look like a weakness for them because He is not omniscient to begin with.

It's like having an abnormal resistance to CE and CT, which we know he have making most things in the verse ineffective on him to begin with.
(it even says he escaped CE)

no feat of cause and effect manipulation, just characters weakness and a little bit of flowery words.

 

[SunDaGamer]

according to this the 6E, SPV and Tengen are connected by Fate but there is no manipulation of any kind for the characters.

So? Beerus doesn't need Time Travel powers for Goku Black to be Acausal.

Toji not having CE doesn't make acasual character, All we have is characters like Tengen not being able to see him and not the actual world, to me It look like a weakness for them because He is not omniscient to begin with.

How does Tengen not being omniscient discredit any of my points, if we needed an omniscient character for every statement then most of this wiki would need to be reworked. Tengen not being able to see him doesn't make a difference since that was never one of my points either. Hell, Gege literally admitted that he uses Kusakabe for exposition instead of relying on a narrator for Gojo vs Sukuna.

It's like having an abnormal resistance to CE and CT, which we know he have making most things in the verse ineffective on him to begin with.
(it even says he escaped CE)

It even says he escaped Fate. Cursed Energy and Cursed Techniques still affect Toji, the only resistance he has to them is that CE attacks don't inflict illnesses to him like they would to normal people and his physical body is durable so it can withstand the power of CE and CT attacks.

no feat of cause and effect manipulation, just characters weakness and a little bit of flowery words.

Except for everything I've said up until this point. This conversation has turned to you repeating the same things without actually responding to anything I've said properly so I'm signing off of this thread.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

So? Beerus doesn't need Time Travel powers for Goku Black to be Acausal.


How does Tengen not being omniscient discredit any of my points, if we needed an omniscient character for every statement then most of this wiki would need to be reworked. Tengen not being able to see him doesn't make a difference since that was never one of my points either. Hell, Gege literally admitted that he uses Kusakabe for exposition instead of relying on a narrator for Gojo vs Sukuna.


It even says he escaped Fate. Cursed Energy and Cursed Techniques still affect Toji, the only resistance he has to them is that CE attacks don't inflict illnesses to him like they would to normal people and his physical body is durable so it can withstand the power of CE and CT attacks.


Except for everything I've said up until this point. This conversation has turned to you repeating the same things without actually responding to anything I've said properly so I'm signing off of this thread.

don't get that one (didn't check their profiles)

not necessarily, but here none of the character is reliable enough to give someone acausality based on their statements, some abilities not working on Toji or being able to see him make huge difference .
I know character who were stated by precognition characters (see certain future, different possibilities, what if? vision) to not have destiny and all those characters got is resistanse to precognition and Fate.
without mentioning he is invisible to Tengen until He changed "Fate"
Tengen's vision≠fate

for not being born with CE?
CE is not a law that govern reality
CE is not Cause and effect
CE is not destiny
CE is the negative energy made by humans or maybe other creatures.

you're doing the same.

Acausality is the ability to act unrestrained by conventional cause and effect, on a scale that varies depending on the character. For some characters, this means not being affected by changes to the past; for others, this means defying all logic and acting with disregard for traditional causality.

give me a single feat of doing this. (no statments)

 

[Kingur_RG3]

from what I understand the celestial restriction removes one thing in exchange for another
It's not that Touji used his cursed energy to make himself stronger, but that instead of not having it at all, he got various things automatically.
-physical strength at a very high level
-natural resistance to curses
-Be able to detect curses with your 5 senses
-Not having any type of cursed energy cannot be detected
Yuki explicitly said that he was the only one among all who had 0 energy, he did not produce it at all while there are other restrictors who still had that of a normal person, Toji being a separate case until the arrival of Maki

Regarding what was said by they have to break destiny, these are pure conjectures of mine, but it may be that what one has with the other 2 is nothing more than the cursed energy that or that the cursed energy is what unites the destiny of people in this verse
Here, the stellar plasma vessel and the 6 eyes must be found yes or yes or at least be alive at the same time Toji, freeing himself from the cursed energy, created a line between himself and the rest as Yuki said in his conversation with Geto

 

[noisyPitta]

Its not as much acausality as just throwing a wrench in a system that people had been used to. The relationship between Tengen, SPV and 6E only existed because nobody had challeneged that status quo. Toji just kinda forced that to happen. The breaking fate line is a hyperbole, it isn't literally talking about breaking away from determinism

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

from what I understand the celestial restriction removes one thing in exchange for another
It's not that Touji used his cursed energy to make himself stronger, but that instead of not having it at all, he got various things automatically.
-physical strength at a very high level
-natural resistance to curses
-Be able to detect curses with your 5 senses
-Not having any type of cursed energy cannot be detected
Yuki explicitly said that he was the only one among all who had 0 energy, he did not produce it at all while there are other restrictors who still had that of a normal person, Toji being a separate case until the arrival of Maki

Regarding what was said by they have to break destiny, these are pure conjectures of mine, but it may be that what one has with the other 2 is nothing more than the cursed energy that or that the cursed energy is what unites the destiny of people in this verse
Here, the stellar plasma vessel and the 6 eyes must be found yes or yes or at least be alive at the same time Toji, freeing himself from the cursed energy, created a line between himself and the rest as Yuki said in his conversation with Geto

yeah, It's like skipping a stage where negative emotion turn to to CE and straight to to physical strenght.


No, just those three are connected.

 

[TokiNoOuja]

You could create a CRT if u disaggree

 

[Kingur_RG3]

You could create a CRT if u disaggree

I do not know the truth
The jujutsu verse is confusing and difficult to use when going against others.
-For the domains to work in non-magical verses, it must be assumed that those verses also generate a little of this, it can be accepted in verses with their own energy but there are several without it.

-they are making pretty crazy changes accepting pretty crazy things,
They went from supersonic to massively hypersonic by taking the beam that Hakari received when that could be pure analytical prediction after receiving them several times

nothing was very clear in jujutsu to begin with

 

[noisyPitta]

-For the domains to work in non-magical verses, it must be assumed that those verses also generate a little of this, it can be accepted in verses with their own energy but there are several without it.

All civilians and non-sorcerers in JJK are explained to have a little bit of CE, even if they don't know it and can't control it. It is not an unreasonable assumption to make that regular humans from other verses would also have this energy, especially in cases like CSM or BNHA where the setting is still predominantly modern-day Japan filled with humans. Having even a little bit of energy is what allows domains work on civilians.

 

[Kingur_RG3]

All civilians and non-sorcerers in JJK are explained to have a little bit of CE, even if they don't know it and can't control it. It is not an unreasonable assumption to make that regular humans from other verses would also have this energy, especially in cases like CSM or BNHA where the setting is still predominantly modern-day Japan filled with humans. Having even a little bit of energy is what allows domains work on civilians.

It would be like saying that all medieval verses have magic because it is basically the same structure as others, even if it has nothing to do with magic.
In CSM it is easy to accept that demons are basically fear incarnate and in worlds with magic it is perfect after all.
Cursed energy is still the magical power of your world, there is a reason it is called sorcery, in the same way that people cannot unlock nen after a blow to the vs.

There are a large number of worlds where it is said that everyone has that special energy but it is not assumed that the rest of the worlds have that special energy in the vs, it is not unreasonable to assume that this is not the exception