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JJK - Domain's PN

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hey real quick I don't think that it’s the domains per say that are neutralize the CT's but the barrier instead, because we do see examples of what happens when there is no barrier to hold your opponent in during the domain expansion, with Gojo being able to use Red while the malevolent shrine is still going is because the barrier is opened and not closed which allows Gojo to still use his CT or during regie vs Megumi fight where regie was able to use his CT that can be chucked up to the fact that Megumi’s domain is not fully complete and has no barrier what so ever meaning there is nothing to nullify (let follow into) the cursed tech meaning that regie could use his cursed technique unabated since again no barrier to prevent regie from doing so. Then the example with Dagon we see that Naobito and Nanami can use their cursed techniques in the domain but that only happens when the barrier is tampered with by Megumi opening up his own domain inside of Dagon’s so them using their CT's doesn’t contradict power null.


There is also the fact that Tangen has explained that her barriers are what allows the creation of current age barriers and many cursed techniques meaning that barriers are able to mess with CT's no matter how you slice it and this is further amplified by how Tangen’s barriers are explained in the verse and what they exactly do
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The barriers created by Tangen allow for the creation and use of other barrier techniques with greater effectiveness to the point where if she wasn't there and her barriers where gone the sorcerers would have to re learn barrier techniques from the Heian era and due to her barriers also optimize cursed energy as a whole throughout Japan allowing people to actually become sorcerers and use cursed techniques and energy with greater ease with only those with the utmost efficiency and talent being able to become sorcerers without those barrier as can be seen by the statement that outside of Japan the number of sorcerers is extremely low.


This is further strengthened by the explanation provided by Kusakabe when it comes to Domain amplification
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Domain amplification basically creates a pure/empty barrier around the user allowing for their cursed technique to flow into the barrier messing with its actual effectiveness or in cases of low output techniques flat out nullifying them as a whole.

To put it into concise package it isn't domains themselves that provide powernull but the barriers that make up the domains with barrier techniques being able to mess with the flow of cursed energy and even allowing for cursed techniques to be thrown out of wack as a whole and the reasons we see CT's being used in some domains is due to 1 of 2 factors either the barrier is compromised or it is an open/none existent barrier(Sukuna, Kenny/Megumi) with the compromised barrier it’s pretty simple but with the other two is a bit more complex. Basically, let’s use the whole "paint on air" way of talking about open barriers, when you use a closed barrier domain you are basically trapping your opponent on the canvas of a painting and while they are on that canvas they are entirely under your jurisdiction unable to use their own paint (CT's) while if you are painting on the air the opponent is not trapped within a canvas and can throw their paint at you.


So, to conclude we could just make an addendum to JJK's revisions/pages that its specifically barriers that powernulling abilities and not domains themselves with closed domains basically being the pinnacle of jujutsu and barrier techniques.
None of that proves that Domain barriers nullify techniques themselves absolutely preventing even their activation. Not every barrier will do the same thing either, Simple Domains and Curtains for example have different functions, the former neutralizes the barrier of a Domain to null the guaranteed hit, the latter reveals cursed spirits and prevents outside viewers from seeing what's happening inside. The shared feature between all barrier techniques though is that they can be imbued with conditions.
Sukuna was able to activate Ten Shadows to summon Mahoraga inside of Yorozu and Gojo's Domains too.
 
None of that proves that Domain barriers nullify techniques themselves absolutely preventing even their activation. Not every barrier will do the same thing either, Simple Domains and Curtains for example have different functions, the former neutralizes the barrier of a Domain to null the guaranteed hit, the latter reveals cursed spirits and prevents outside viewers from seeing what's happening inside.
honestly with what we know of the simple domain it is a little wonky in what it specifically does because there are two contradictory statements but there is a solid feat of simple domains that would mean that they nullify CT's and not just the barrier of a domain. The feat in question is this
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Here we have Mahito being hit by a simple domain tube which destroys a part of his soul which could only be done through 1 of 2 ways, 1 through seeing the shape of the soul which Mechamaru could not do or his regular attacks would be decimating Mahito or 2 through the nullification of Mahito's idle transfiguration cursed technique and while there is this statement in the regie fight
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this does state that simple domain and hollow basket can't nullify CT's but it contradicts what has happened in the story already so I don't know how to exactly treat this statement here. Although it may be related to the concept of innate domains that are within a person’s body aka the whole thing with Sukuna in Yuji’s body for example so if struck with the barrier it fully disrupts the ability of the individual and damages their soul? I don't know with this one honestly, it’s a bit weird and contradictory if I am being honest. Although once again we have the statement from Kusakabe about DA and its compression to Simple domain that would further suggest that the simple domain can disrupt cursed technique if applied correctly.
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the statement outright states that DA is simply a refined version of the simple domain and DA does allow for the nullfication of CT's (can be overpowered with high output)
The shared feature between all barrier techniques though is that they can be imbued with conditions.
yeah not all barriers do the exact same thing but they can be used in the specific way to nullfie abilities or hamper their output and use as a whole. However it also depends on the output and power of the individuals that are using the barrier techniques as can be seen in the comperison of disaster curses vs Gojo and Sukuna vs Gojo, the disasters where not fully able to bypass infinity with DA as once one of them droped the DA Gojo was able to simply increase the output of his natural infinity to the extent where Jogo's DA couldn't get through infinity any more while sukuna was able to swap between DA and his CT without issue and punch throuh Gojo's infinity without issue through DA and he even outright states that DA can get through and nullfie low output
Sukuna was able to activate Ten Shadows to summon Mahoraga inside of Yorozu and Gojo's Domains too.
This one is weird due to how shikigami work in JJK mahoraga is technically a fully seperate entity to sukuna and megumi and each time he was summoned the wheel was already pulled out and we see later in the fight that maho was seemingly already out but hidden in the shadows once the wheel was in play which would explain how sukuna was able to summon mahoraga even though he was temporaraly stunned by the unlimited void and he was effected by it at first because if he wasn't there would be no point in destroying his own domain or even risking the hit of unlimited void in the first place he simply pushed the resulting coma onto megumi's soul instead of his own.

Honestly 10 shadows and domains are rather strange I mean it would seem that the user can have the shikigami out even during CT burn out as can be seen in the regie V megumi fight after the domain expansion was dispelled megumi was under the effects of CT burn out stated by regie himself
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But since the devine dog was never dispelled it was still around
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the whole crux of this issue with 10 shadows and domains would be if mahoraga was summoned but simply hidden? because even during the Sukuna V Gojo fight summoning him should not have been possible since sukuna already opened his domain but simply lost the clash meaning he should've been under the effect of CT burn out meaning summoning should've been out of the question but he still managed to have maho come into the domain.
 
Although once again we have the statement from Kusakabe about DA and its compression to Simple domain that would further suggest that the simple domain can disrupt cursed technique if applied correctly.
Domain Amplification is more refined than Simple Domain because rather than creating a barrier in a circle around the user, it cloaks the user in an aura of their domain. DA's mechanism of neutralizing techniques requires the user to have an Innate Technique and a Domain Expansion because DA is a DE on a small scale without an imbued CT unlike Simple Domain.
yeah not all barriers do the exact same thing but they can be used in the specific way to nullfie abilities or hamper their output and use as a whole. However it also depends on the output and power of the individuals that are using the barrier techniques as can be seen in the comperison of disaster curses vs Gojo and Sukuna vs Gojo, the disasters where not fully able to bypass infinity with DA as once one of them droped the DA Gojo was able to simply increase the output of his natural infinity to the extent where Jogo's DA couldn't get through infinity any more while sukuna was able to swap between DA and his CT without issue and punch throuh Gojo's infinity without issue through DA and he even outright states that DA can get through and nullfie low output
DA's technique neutralization isn't a condition the same way that Curtains and DE barriers can have conditions imbued into them, DA's creation of an empty space to pour in a cursed technique is more akin to how Curtains can block cellphone reception due to the property of the barrier rather than a condition imbued into it.
Honestly 10 shadows and domains are rather strange I mean it would seem that the user can have the shikigami out even during CT burn out as can be seen in the regie V megumi fight after the domain expansion was dispelled megumi was under the effects of CT burn out stated by regie himself
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But since the devine dog was never dispelled it was still around
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the whole crux of this issue with 10 shadows and domains would be if mahoraga was summoned but simply hidden? because even during the Sukuna V Gojo fight summoning him should not have been possible since sukuna already opened his domain but simply lost the clash meaning he should've been under the effect of CT burn out meaning summoning should've been out of the question but he still managed to have maho come into the domain.
Divine Dog: Totality was dispelled before Reggie's eyeball exploded, Reggie says Megumi replenished his CT already. Mahoraga's wheel was on Megumi during the domain clashes and it isn't summoned until the user chants his summoning phrase which would require the activation of Ten Shadows, Sukuna could just used RCT to replenish his CT after it collapsed under Unlimited Void to summon Mahoraga.
 
Domain Amplification is more refined than Simple Domain because rather than creating a barrier in a circle around the user, it cloaks the user in an aura of their domain. DA's mechanism of neutralizing techniques requires the user to have an Innate Technique and a Domain Expansion because DA is a DE on a small scale without an imbued CT unlike Simple Domain.
doesn't exlain why the simple domain bomb was able to nullify idle transfiguration
DA's technique neutralization isn't a condition the same way that Curtains and DE barriers can have conditions imbued into them, DA's creation of an empty space to pour in a cursed technique is more akin to how Curtains can block cellphone reception due to the property of the barrier rather than a condition imbued into it.

well seemingly not
Incorrect translation the proper translation was that "He is recovering his cursed technique"
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and even in the actual managa that line would make no sense what so ever, "you are out of shikigami"? what since when? regie hasn't destroy'd max elephant or nue or the frogs, the only way to get rid of shikigami is to outright kill them and regie hasn't done any of that which again shows that the translation you have there is simply incorrect.
Mahoraga's wheel was on Megumi during the domain clashes and it isn't summoned until the user chants his summoning phrase which would require the activation of Ten Shadows, Sukuna could just used RCT to replenish his CT after it collapsed under Unlimited Void to summon Mahoraga.
Don't think that this would be possible on such a short notice, sukuna's shrine was still collapsing behind him and his heart was just crushed meaning he has to focus on both destroying his prefrontal cortex healing it while at the same time focusing his RCT to keep his body from dying due to a lack of a heart while gojo is literally blasting right at his at the same time

we've seen how long the whole damage the brain with CE and heal it right after trick takes and its not something you can just do on the spot with little to no time

unless sukuna has some other way to heal his burnt out CT the only 2 ways summoning maho could've been possible here is that he was already summoned or there was a binding Vow at play
 
doesn't exlain why the simple domain bomb was able to nullify idle transfiguration
IT prevents Mahito from taking any real damage because he keeps his body conformed to the shape of his soul, this defence is bypassed by hitting the soul directly which Mechamaru did by drilling Simple Domain bombs inside of Mahito's body to access his Innate Domain.
well seemingly not

Incorrect translation the proper translation was that "He is recovering his cursed technique"
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and even in the actual managa that line would make no sense what so ever, "you are out of shikigami"? what since when? regie hasn't destroy'd max elephant or nue or the frogs, the only way to get rid of shikigami is to outright kill them and regie hasn't done any of that which again shows that the translation you have there is simply incorrect.
That shadow in front of Megumi is Divine Dog being dispelled. That other translation doesn't contradict my point because that just changes Megumi's CT burnout to have ended after his hand to hand fight with Reggie. Reggie's line only makes no sense out of context, the whole point was that Reggie was trying to trick Megumi into thinking he thought Megumi coudn't use any more Shikigami
Don't think that this would be possible on such a short notice, sukuna's shrine was still collapsing behind him and his heart was just crushed meaning he has to focus on both destroying his prefrontal cortex healing it while at the same time focusing his RCT to keep his body from dying due to a lack of a heart while gojo is literally blasting right at his at the same time
Sukuna doesn't need a heart to survive and he had Megumi take the hit from UV, we don't have a timeframe for how long it takes Gojo and Sukuna to recover their CTs with RCT, all we know is that Unlimited Void's guaranteed hit was active for less than 10 seconds.
 
What still needs to be done here? From my glance over it seems most are fine with limited powernull that applies to techniques trying to disrupt the sure hit.
 
I don't see that in the OP
There's likely several others I'm forgetting but this proves the point pretty clear.

Kenjaku likely meant the sure hits are what allow for neutralization of one's technique as we saw how Sukuna's slashes can cut Gojo.

Agree on PN only for sure hits:

Disagree on PN is from the domain itself:
 
Oh I misinterpreted the OP

Okay, this should be fine to apply then - I ain't doin allat tho
 
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