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Location: Marineford
My vote goes to Acnologia
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Doflamingo vs Acnologia
- Thread starter SuperKamiNappa
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Bloodlusted
Loss by death
Location: Marineford
My vote goes to Acnologia
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Doffy-10
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Acnologia starts in human or dragon?
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^dragon form
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In pure power and durability, I think Acnologia has the advantage, but I think Doflamingo is likely a bit faster and we cant discount the sheer wealth of variety Doffy has to his abilities.
It could potentially go to Doflamigo's favor if he gets lucky, but actually, I think that Acnologia's battle-experience might be what wins this for him.
It could potentially go to Doflamigo's favor if he gets lucky, but actually, I think that Acnologia's battle-experience might be what wins this for him.
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Acnologia's powers are still not completely out in the open as of yet. I feel as though Doflamingo's ability grants him an edge over such a large opponent considering how tough his threads are. I do not think that Acnologia could get out of Bird Cage until we see a feat that changes my mind (Fujitora, Zoro and coliseum fighters could not break it and only slowed it down). The bird cage would grant Doflamingo multiple advantages over Acnologia.
Spider thread is also another method that would stop blunt attacks from Acnologia (or slow them down if they are too strong to full on stop even though 3rd gear strikes could barely stress the threads).
Doflamingo has a speed advantage and more versatility compared to what was shown with Acnologia. Their DC is pretty close, but Doflamingo's durability should be superior since he can quite literally restore his internal organs despite having them blasted apart via Gamma Knife. I dare say he would be able to take hits from Acnologia and receive only superficial injuries so long as he has some form of haki protecting him.
With Birdcage and his awakening, I doubt Acnologia could cope with the environmental disadvantage and thus be defeated.
This is of course with Acnologia's current feats. This fight should be considered inconclusive until Acnologia's full power is realized, but right now, they are relatively even. Doflamingo takes the win due to the nature of his ability, superior speed and perhaps his endurance as a whole (superior stamina and durability via enhancing from his devil fruit seems possible if he can stitch his organs together and keep fighting).
I'd see a fight like this being a long one except for the fact that they are both blood lusted... They'd probably destoy Marineford and Doflamingo would begin to lose a platform to fight on unless he can sink his birdcage all the way down to the ocean floor and keep the top above the water.
Still... i have a slight favor towards Doflamingo in this fight since he can limit the amount of space Acnologia can use to fight.
Spider thread is also another method that would stop blunt attacks from Acnologia (or slow them down if they are too strong to full on stop even though 3rd gear strikes could barely stress the threads).
Doflamingo has a speed advantage and more versatility compared to what was shown with Acnologia. Their DC is pretty close, but Doflamingo's durability should be superior since he can quite literally restore his internal organs despite having them blasted apart via Gamma Knife. I dare say he would be able to take hits from Acnologia and receive only superficial injuries so long as he has some form of haki protecting him.
With Birdcage and his awakening, I doubt Acnologia could cope with the environmental disadvantage and thus be defeated.
This is of course with Acnologia's current feats. This fight should be considered inconclusive until Acnologia's full power is realized, but right now, they are relatively even. Doflamingo takes the win due to the nature of his ability, superior speed and perhaps his endurance as a whole (superior stamina and durability via enhancing from his devil fruit seems possible if he can stitch his organs together and keep fighting).
I'd see a fight like this being a long one except for the fact that they are both blood lusted... They'd probably destoy Marineford and Doflamingo would begin to lose a platform to fight on unless he can sink his birdcage all the way down to the ocean floor and keep the top above the water.
Still... i have a slight favor towards Doflamingo in this fight since he can limit the amount of space Acnologia can use to fight.
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Doflamingo isn't much faster, IIRC he was like Mach 960? Acnologia is about Mach 780 - 960 as well. And Acnologia should have better durability and AP as well, Doflamingo's strings will have a hard time penetrating through someone about 20 meters bigger than him. Not to mention Acnologia can steal souls.
I vote Acno.
I vote Acno.
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I'd bet my money on Doffy....tho if this was abattle of looks i'd go with human Acno 
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i think doffy wins, he should be able to dodge all of acnalogias abilitys and attack him, maybe he wont hurt him badly at first but if it accumulates (the damage) than he should take the victory ^_^
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For now Doffy has this.
Greater speed, AP and dura via feats. It's incredibly impossible for Acnologia to tag Doffy down. Plus it should be noted that Parasite works on at least people with physical strength that of Jozu.
But as noted above Acnoboy could be much stronger than shown so far, believing even what Zeref had to say about Acno.
Greater speed, AP and dura via feats. It's incredibly impossible for Acnologia to tag Doffy down. Plus it should be noted that Parasite works on at least people with physical strength that of Jozu.
But as noted above Acnoboy could be much stronger than shown so far, believing even what Zeref had to say about Acno.
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Y'all are forgetting that Doflamingo has Conqueror's Haki, so it's game-over for Acnologia right off the bat. Not to mention that Doflamingo has precognition, and a much, much wider array of abilities that Acnologia.
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Conqueror haki don't work on equal level targes isn't it?
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Conqueror's haki sends shocks of the user's willpower outward, which can damage/stun/incapacitate opponents. Acnologia would only be able to feel it, but when used in conjunction with armament haki and physical blows, it would hurt Acnologia. Doflamingo's haki infused strikes with conqueror's haki was shaking all of Dressrosa and blasted Law and Trebol away from the immediate area.Czuczian11 said:
@UncleSpaceman -- Doflamingo is presummed to be faster if the Fujitora Meteor Calculation is even remotely true. He is currently high-end MHS and potentionally MHS+, though I will not go as far as to presume that much.
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I vote for Doflamingo
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I think Acnologia needs more feats and basically, FT in general needs more feats to contend with One Piece. With hype Acnologia is at least Country level but with his feats and powerscaling is only Island level. Doflaming wins for now.
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Acnologia's feats are only Mountain level. If he were to be Country level, it would not make sense for Igneel to be capable of moderately damaging him when his best feats were also Mountain busting and his durability is the same.
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Acnologia is Island level via feats and powerscaling. But, his hype suggests that he is Country Buster. It is said that he has destroyed a country and that the only thing that can beat him is Etherion, which is a country lvl nuke. Also , Igneel's best feat is cutting Acno's arm. Not his Mountain level roar. This isndicates that his physical prowess is just greater than his magical.
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You guys give Acnologia way too much credit. His best feat was mountain level via his breath attack on Tenrou and on Igneel. Also "it is said he has destroyed a country and that the only thing that can beat him is Etherion". Hyperbolic statement. If that were the case, WB would already be placed as 5-A given the size of the OP world and Sengoku's claim. Igneel's breath attack only blew off a tip of a mountain.
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Zeref needs the 12 Spriggan to be able to beat Acnologia... Acnologia > Zeref.
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Also, Each of the Spriggans are between Large Town and City Level (Brandish apparently being Island level with her shrinking ability, but she got wrecked by a Cana chop). Natsu's attacks (which are no where near Mountain level) were hurting Zeref severely. Acnologia's the only one who has shown Mountain level feats other than Igneel, who gave Acnologia a mid-high diff fight.
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What is happening or being said in a series doesn't affect other series. Also, Igneel's breath was an anime only thing. It never happened in the manga.Hfhfdgdg said:
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One more thing. All the Spriggan are about the same level of strength. That's their portrayal. Their magic power is about the same level. Only August is said to be on a different level than them.
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Uh... I said "Hyperbolic statement" and went on to say that if hyperbolic statements were taken as fact, WB would be 5-A since Sengoku stated that he could destroy the world.
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Anyways, Doflamingo still wins via superior speed, Bird Cage, DC feats, and due to his durabilty + being able to heal his body via threads
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Yeah, i agree for now Doflamingo should win, since Acnologia hasn't shown many things and most things are legends surrounding him. Even though he could possibly pull out a victory or 2 out of 10 depending on how he would fight. I mean he could just fly and nuke marinford. If Doflamingo falls into the sea it's gg.
Oh and now that i remembered. How is Doflamingo getting past Acno's immunity to everything that ain't dragon slaying magic?
Oh and now that i remembered. How is Doflamingo getting past Acno's immunity to everything that ain't dragon slaying magic?
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As for immunity for everyhing it should be assumed as no limit fallacy + Ignnel ripped Acno hand without any magic. That is true that the dragon slaer agic is more effectie against dragons, but e cannot be sure he have it as he wasn't bon as dragon so it could be just a slayer mage with shapeshifting ability.
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All forms of magic are weak against Dragons while Dragon Slaying magic is specialized for harming Dragons. Doflamingo does not use magic, he uses physical blows that would be strong enough for Acnologia to at least feel them (hurt him severely when enhanced with Armament + Conqueror's haki and his threads). He is faster than Acnologia and when using Bird Cage and threads, he will slow Acnologia down to some degree while increasing his own mobility.
If Acnologia destroys the battle ground, Doflamingo would simply retreat to the skies towards where there are a lot of clouds and fight from there. If Acnologia applies too much pressure, Doflamingo could simply retreat to a nearby Island and continue fighting.
We've only seen Acnologia fight people with town-small city feats and they managed to at least make him feel their attacks before he stomped them. Doflamingo fought people who had at least small-city feats and stomped them without even having his guard up (namely Sanji... Smoker was one-shot KO'd). Acnologia fought Igneel, who had small mountain feats via breath attack and is presummed to be Mountain level, and he managed to mame Acnologia via taking an arm.
Doflamingo is at least physically stronger than Igneel by a small degree and is much faster and has more durability + low-tier Regenerationn on top of it.
If Acnologia destroys the battle ground, Doflamingo would simply retreat to the skies towards where there are a lot of clouds and fight from there. If Acnologia applies too much pressure, Doflamingo could simply retreat to a nearby Island and continue fighting.
We've only seen Acnologia fight people with town-small city feats and they managed to at least make him feel their attacks before he stomped them. Doflamingo fought people who had at least small-city feats and stomped them without even having his guard up (namely Sanji... Smoker was one-shot KO'd). Acnologia fought Igneel, who had small mountain feats via breath attack and is presummed to be Mountain level, and he managed to mame Acnologia via taking an arm.
Doflamingo is at least physically stronger than Igneel by a small degree and is much faster and has more durability + low-tier Regenerationn on top of it.
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er, conqueror haki is more of mental attack than physical, beside, Doflamingo CoC is not so high that it could affect Acnologia effectively
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it does not have to be severe to help damage Acnologia. Conqueror's haki can be used to KO weaker opponents, but it can also be used in conjunction with physical blows and Armament haki. While Luffy and Doflamingo were clashing, they released Conqueror's haki, which was strong enough to shake all of Dressrosa and send Law away from the immediate area. Before Luffy popped Gear 4th, Doflamingo and Luffy seemed to be using Conqueror's haki when they attacked eachother. Of course it is not very powerful in a physical struggle, but it is enough to say that Doflamingo would be hurting Acnologia with each serious strike. The shock from Conqueror's haki would still be effective to hurt Acnologia and even stun him whenever he is weakened.
http://www.***********.net/one-piece/782/3 , http://www.***********.net/one-piece/783/13
http://www.***********.net/one-piece/782/3 , http://www.***********.net/one-piece/783/13
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how much CoC would hurt Acnologia though
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Combined with Luffy's CoC, it shook all of Dressrosa and blasted Law away from the area around the source. If Doflamingo applied it to his strikes, it alone would be able to slightly damage Acnologia. Combined with Armament haki (Doflamingo's being fairly proficient) and Doflamingo's kicks (each regular kick capable of dealing casually dealing at least city level DC (http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c745/7.html the kick cleanly cutting through three palace towers and still spreading outwards) and most likely capable of decapitating Kyros, who is at likely City Level durability.
Without haki, Doflamingo could casually defend and attack Sanji successfully, he was also capable of Defeating Trafalgar Law with Low-Mid difficulty with little to no haki (no haki was shown being used during their first fight) and with mid difficulty during their 2nd fight when both were no longer at 100% of their stamina with minimal use of Armament haki(Law being hurt via lead bullets and injuries and Doflamingo taking a Red Hawk with no protection)
With haki, Doflamingo's attacks were easily capable of breaking base and 2nd gear Luffy's guard and deal significant damage to him if not send him flying several dozen meters (http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c745/11.html , http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c760/12.html)
With Armament and CoC haki and attacks infused with strings (while also being injured via Gamma Knife), Doflamingo was able to send a Luffy (who was guarding with haki infused arms) flying for what could have been several hundred meters or even over a kilometer if Trebol had not caught Luffy (http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c782/12.html)
With Conqueror's haki (Luffy and Doflamingo's kicks being clashed together, so the only force being sent outwards was being their Conqueror's haki), Doflamingo and Luffy both sent Law away from the immediate area of the source by over a dozen meters while also causing the entire palace to be decimated while also shaking all of Dressrosa with its force (http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c782/5.html , http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c782/6.html , http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c782/7.html)
To answer your question, yes, Doflamingo would be able to hurt Acnologia with CoC haki especially if Doflamingo remains mostly unharmed. As Rayleigh stated, CoC's level of power can only be enhanced as the user grows, which means that a fully ready Doflamingo's CoC should be superior to what he used in his fight with Luffy, especially since he was lethargic via Gamma knife and exhausted due to all the damage he accumulated over the course of the Dressrosa arc.
Acnologia is powerful, so CoC's force would only be "felt" by a small degree unless Doflamingo physically struck him with it in conjunction with a kick. It wont be hard for Doflamingo to whittle Acnologia down especially since they are both fairy arrogant and Acnologia's best clocked speed is around Mach 400 while Doflamingos accepted LOW END is Mach 637 and he is probably able to be well over Mach 900 in attack and reaction speed with travelling speed being almost on par (being able to react to Luffy's 2nd Gear 4th strike via applying Haki to the side of his head the attack was coming from: http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c784/17.html and being easily able to evade Luffy's 3rd Gear 4th strike from a short distance and being able to counter attack: http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c784/19.html)
Doflamingo should be able to take this especially since Igneel could give Acnologia a very hard fight and Doflamingo has the environmental advantage via Awakening and Bird Cage and that he can fly so long as there are clouds or other objects he can attach his threads to.
Doflamingo is most likely to win this bout
Without haki, Doflamingo could casually defend and attack Sanji successfully, he was also capable of Defeating Trafalgar Law with Low-Mid difficulty with little to no haki (no haki was shown being used during their first fight) and with mid difficulty during their 2nd fight when both were no longer at 100% of their stamina with minimal use of Armament haki(Law being hurt via lead bullets and injuries and Doflamingo taking a Red Hawk with no protection)
With haki, Doflamingo's attacks were easily capable of breaking base and 2nd gear Luffy's guard and deal significant damage to him if not send him flying several dozen meters (http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c745/11.html , http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c760/12.html)
With Armament and CoC haki and attacks infused with strings (while also being injured via Gamma Knife), Doflamingo was able to send a Luffy (who was guarding with haki infused arms) flying for what could have been several hundred meters or even over a kilometer if Trebol had not caught Luffy (http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c782/12.html)
With Conqueror's haki (Luffy and Doflamingo's kicks being clashed together, so the only force being sent outwards was being their Conqueror's haki), Doflamingo and Luffy both sent Law away from the immediate area of the source by over a dozen meters while also causing the entire palace to be decimated while also shaking all of Dressrosa with its force (http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c782/5.html , http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c782/6.html , http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c782/7.html)
To answer your question, yes, Doflamingo would be able to hurt Acnologia with CoC haki especially if Doflamingo remains mostly unharmed. As Rayleigh stated, CoC's level of power can only be enhanced as the user grows, which means that a fully ready Doflamingo's CoC should be superior to what he used in his fight with Luffy, especially since he was lethargic via Gamma knife and exhausted due to all the damage he accumulated over the course of the Dressrosa arc.
Acnologia is powerful, so CoC's force would only be "felt" by a small degree unless Doflamingo physically struck him with it in conjunction with a kick. It wont be hard for Doflamingo to whittle Acnologia down especially since they are both fairy arrogant and Acnologia's best clocked speed is around Mach 400 while Doflamingos accepted LOW END is Mach 637 and he is probably able to be well over Mach 900 in attack and reaction speed with travelling speed being almost on par (being able to react to Luffy's 2nd Gear 4th strike via applying Haki to the side of his head the attack was coming from: http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c784/17.html and being easily able to evade Luffy's 3rd Gear 4th strike from a short distance and being able to counter attack: http://www.*************/manga/one_piece/v69/c784/19.html)
Doflamingo should be able to take this especially since Igneel could give Acnologia a very hard fight and Doflamingo has the environmental advantage via Awakening and Bird Cage and that he can fly so long as there are clouds or other objects he can attach his threads to.
Doflamingo is most likely to win this bout
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ok, I give in
Doflamingo win for now
Doflamingo win for now
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doflamingo wins
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Doffy blitzes. HORRIBLY. He wins.
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^ you two gotta give an explanation or else we can't make them believe Doflamingo wins. Make a wall of text like i did !
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Wait, Doflamingo is only Mach 637?
Acnologia blitzes horribly...http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=31160
So right now Acnologia has higher speed.
Doflamingo's attack range was very small into mountain range wasn't it? Like 1 gigatons? Then again, I'm not sure he gets scaled to that because G4 stomped him.
Anyways Acnologia is about 3 gigatons for Motherglare's 3 gigaton feat.
Acnologia wins high diff.
But then again, can't Acnologia steal souls...?
Acnologia blitzes horribly...http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=31160
So right now Acnologia has higher speed.
Doflamingo's attack range was very small into mountain range wasn't it? Like 1 gigatons? Then again, I'm not sure he gets scaled to that because G4 stomped him.
Anyways Acnologia is about 3 gigatons for Motherglare's 3 gigaton feat.
Acnologia wins high diff.
But then again, can't Acnologia steal souls...?
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No, it's stated in the calculation itself that this is combat speed because the dragons needed to move around and destroy all the Face Bombs.
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