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Could someone send me a scan about the transduction barrier being a conceptual barrier?
If N-Space is infinite dimensional, you'd easily get to Low 1-A or 1-A when taking the multiverses, other multiverses, the Time Vortex, The Void, the Six-Fold Realm, etc, etc into account.
So the scaling is going to end up being a bit nebulous near the top?If we go by current plans, I wouldn't necessarily say anyone's the highest being in the verse. All we know is that The Grace >>>>> Key to Time.
So the Glory is going to be a bit outside the scaling chain for the most part.Btw, the only reason we know The Glory is stronger than The Six-Fold God is because the Bruce Master realised the futility of all of his previous plans when seeing The Glory.
ThanksIf N-Space is infinite dimensional, you'd easily get to Low 1-A or 1-A when taking the multiverses, other multiverses, the Time Vortex, The Void, the Six-Fold Realm, etc, etc into account.
Thanks.
From Doctor Who and the Krikkitmen
Is the quote about dimensional infinity in Infernal Nexus referring to the universe or multiverse or multiverses?If N-Space is infinite dimensional, you'd easily get to Low 1-A or 1-A when taking the multiverses, other multiverses, the Time Vortex, The Void, the Six-Fold Realm, etc, etc into account.
From what I understand, infinite dimensional set refers to multiverses then?I've kind of been taking everyone's word for this up until now. There's a lot more detail in this book that I didn't bother to check after reading and forgetting it the first time.
The book goes out of its way to make fun of people who think the universe is part of an infinite multiverse. In fact, it says that parallel timelines don't exist anywhere in any capacity, so it's completely incongruous with other depictions of Doctor Who.
Dimensional sets aren't actually additional dimensions, just 'somewhere else', and there's 417-ish multiverses that exist in radically different states, and with different laws of physics/compositions (including a multiverse made of bubbles), which is why they exist separately.
- Which shows how much the people who hold things know, part of which is certainly not basic English, since there can by definition only be one universe, of which all putative multiverses must necessarily be a part. People who can get something so simple the wrong way round are probably the last people to ask about comparative ontology, so we’ll leave them in a handy off-term student bar between panels, discussing the minutiae of their costume- parade insignia, the finer points of conversational Klingon and the aerodynamics of fictional dragons. There may be a disco later, but you probably wouldn’t want to go.
The Tinker’s Cuss is partially banished from its own dimensional set (multiverse), as its forcefields protect it from fully submerging in a different set, making it transdimensional.
- ‘You wouldn’t know about it,’ Benny said. ‘It was after you went away. Dr Rupert Gilhooly was trying to explain it on some holovid chatshow or other, the interviewer said something like, “oh come on, that sounds like the sort of contrivance you get in crappy old adventure stories to explain why the heroes always seem to stay the same age”, and the name just sort of stuck. It just means that if you end up dislocated in time or in some other dimension, the physical processes of ageing go on hold because you’re not on your own timeline.’
- The difficulty lay in communicating with a multiverse different from one’s original own. Differing entropy-slopes, causal processes and the fact that something as basic as atoms might or might not exist, in a certain sense, made problems with incompatible phone sockets and the like the least of anyone’s worries.
- (The analogy falls down a little, of course, since there are multiverses where the world is indeed flat, and where the stars are gemstones in the mantel of a crystal dome.)
- It’s another common misconception, held by those who hold such things, that our so-called universe - everything we know of and can ever know - is just one facet of a larger Multiverse. [...] The differing realities of actual multiverses are nothing like as simple as, let’s say, alternate worlds produced by Nazis winning wars or presidents not getting shot - none of which have or will ever have existed save in potentia. Nor can they be properly expressed, as such, in terms of additional dimensions, molecular resonances and quantum-packet signatures, which exist only in the minds of lazy science- fiction writers. In fact, the only human mind to ever come within striking distance of accounting for them was that of Dr Rupert Gilhooly, who described them in a string of equations large enough to fill three phone books (Business and Residential), which only he could understand, and which he expressed for everyone else as: ‘Just like these other places, yeah? They’re just, like, somewhere else.’ There were four hundred and seventeen of these multiverses at the last count, each of them existing on their own terms, in radically different states, and Station Control exists as a nexus point between them.
- Bernice checked the read-outs. The dimensional stability of the ship’s remains had deteriorated markedly since then; the extra mass of her entering them would like as not collapse the force fields and have her disappearing up her own pocket singularity. The best bet was to realign her own ship with the dimensionally-displaced bulk of the science vessel, set up the portable field generators and use them, basically, to drag the Tinker’s Cuss back from a right angle to reality. There is a common misconception, incidentally, that a different dimensional set is the same thing as another world. This simply isn’t so. Dimensions are indeed involved, but in the same way that one can point in the general direction of the United States of America from the Republic of Ireland, but it is as impossible to actually do anything with dimensions as it is to cross the North Atlantic on foot.
- To stretch the metaphor to breaking point, human technology in this area was on the level of a leaky coracle: it was possible to displace things transdimensionally, but the chances of being displaced into anywhere useful was of the order of one in several billion. This might seem odd in the face of all the stories of those travelling to weird and wonderful dimensions, but the fact is that those people were the one in several billion, or were taken there by some inhuman agency, or were quite frankly lying through their teeth.
- This was the equivalent of an arrivals lounge, after all, and there are constants about arrival lounges, whether for intercontinental, interstellar, or interdimensional travel the whole universe and its multiverses over.
- Marpies came from a multiverse where physical laws were more as they were thought to be than an immutable system of cause and effect.
The space they entered wasn't 3-D.
- ‘Well we’re all of us only human,’ said Bernice. ‘Apart, of course, from those of us who aren’t.’ The imp-thing frowned with an air of one to whom inconsequentially or levity went completely over the head. This wasn’t hard, naturally. ‘So which human multiverse is you from?’
- ‘I think what our visitors are trying to say,’ Braxiatel cut in hurriedly, with the air of one deciding that all this unnecessary obfuscation had gone on quite long enough, ‘is that the Tinker’s Cuss was hit by some primal, transmutational energy. Triggered - I gather from what you told me before, Rupert - by the use of certain experimental probes? The force of discharge knocked the ship off its dimensional axis. Rupert, Igron and their team were saved by the force fields around the science deck, designed to protect their apparatus, so only that part of the ship remained in our own dimensional set...’
- ‘The upshot is,’ said Braxiatel, ‘that we now have an extraordinarily advanced research vessel lying derelict and in a transdimensional state, packed with data which might be worthless in one sense, but the value of which would be incalculable to an academic concern like the Collection. What we need, Bernice, is someone to retrieve it - someone, if possible, who has had direct experience with the more abstruse transdimensional states.’
- ‘Lucien di Vasht,’ Volan Sleed elucidated, his catslit eyes quite flinty in a way that made one suspect they could chip bone, ‘is of course one of the most powerful men in the substrative quantum state-vector designated seven four one point three oh four, forward slash, five nine zero, slash, upsilon kappa four one nine three seven four nine six one...’ He appeared to grow tired of this and dismissed it with a wry and massive-shouldered shrug. ‘Well, let us say he’s one of the most powerful men in the multiversal world from which he comes - possibly the most powerful, by all accounts, what with several alliances forged amongst the multiplexal Overlord [...]’
In Station Control, which exists at the nexus between the 417 multiverses, space and time are totally warped.
- The first thing Bernice saw was the ship itself, the previously visible area of it now had a huge bite taken out of the hull. The science ship was a mess, plating sheared and sharded from the twisted frame, debris hanging in the black of a space no different, visually, from the three-dimensional space she’d left. There were bodies in the wreckage, twisted in a way that seemed wrong for any living thing. At the current viewer magnification, that could mean that they had been torn and transformed by the interdimensional stresses or that they were simply dead. Either way, Bernice hesitated to zero in on them under magnification - she’d be seeing them up close and personal soon enough.
So, when they say 'infinite dimensional set', that's what they're referring to.
- The space she fell through could have been anything from precisely her size to infinite - probably both, in a technical sense, since she seemed to be the only thing in it...
- When she came to try and describe Station Control, some while later, Bernice would find herself coming up against an almost insurmountable problem. How do you describe sheer chaos? If you describe it on an instant-by-instant basis, try to detail discrete images and sensations from a barrage of them, you end up with something like: Item: a small collection of multicoloured weevils, sitting on a little tarmaline plinth with ambulatory legs, bouncing around in complex patterns reminiscent of the Georgian State Dancers as seen from a great height. No particular reason for their perpetual dance is apparent. Item: sections of wall, ceiling and floor which are both sides of themselves simultaneously, rather like those wireframe representations of a cube of which one can be looking at the top or the bottom, depending upon what the mind decides, but in several additional dimensions. Item: a sudden tingling in the head and the blindingly obvious idea that is instantly gone, save for the deep knowledge that the idea itself was alive, a living memory which has passed through you on the way to somewhere else, rather like a man hurrying up a street. Item: the smell of camphor and tulips which, once again, you sensed was in some way alive - as alive as all the more prosaic giant insects, walking bears, tentacular slime monsters and all the possible variations on the basically humanoid (or at least bipedal) creatures milling in their thousands through complex spaces where down might be up or inside-out, where apparently direct routes twisted back in on themselves like a Mobius strip, where you could travel from one physical zone to another merely by thinking about it, or be barred from a section of apparently clear space by the mind registering, on some primal level, that said area was utterly inimical to life as we know it and so reacting, purely psychosomatically, as if one has walked into a diamond-hard plexiglass wall... In the end, Benny would be forced into simplification, in much the way that you can simplify the complex molecular interplay of one substance dissolving into another as a ‘swirl’.
- Intellectually, she knew that she was merely rotating through the extradimensional axis that three-dimensional beings do all the time - the three dimensions plus Time that we know being only three-plus-Time of an infinite dimensional set - without even knowing it.
Dimensional sets aren't actually additional dimensions, just 'somewhere else', and there's 417-ish multiverses that exist in radically different states, and with different laws of physics/compositions (including a multiverse made of bubbles), which is why they exist separately.
There is a common misconception, incidentally, that a
different dimensional set is the same thing as another world.
This simply isn't so. Dimensions are indeed involved, but in
the same way that one can point in the general direction of
the United States of America from the Republic of Ireland,
but it is as impossible to actually do anything with
dimensions as it is to cross the North Atlantic on foot.
- The Infernal Nexus, pg. 19
The book is faction paradox: Head of state.
Is this supposed to grant plot hax to time lords through the caldera?
Caldera
The caldera was a sacred area of the Homeworld that acted as a node point where all lines of historical influence converged and one could stare directly into the heart of time. It was a crater, created by the first emergence of the Yssgaroth into the universe. The Great Houses' Citadel was built...tardis.fandom.com
Hmmm, so just out of curiosity, has there been anyone regenerated from that?I have the book.
It's explained in A Bloody (and Public) Domaine that the Caldera somehow arrived at the centre of the Earth. In this book, Lolita is trying to access it via Project Caldera, which was covered up as a geothermal energy project.
- As we move forward into the twenty-first century, America needs to regain its energy independence. We can no longer rely on unstable Arab countries to supply us with oil. We can, in fact, no longer rely on oil. Therefore, today I am announcing the energy plan that President Nelson and I put together during the last few weeks. Project Caldera
Doctor technically did it when he restored Time and Space with the Pandorica, it's weird though.Hmmm, so just out of curiosity, has there been anyone regenerated from that?
High Godly could been a thing here as well,
Basically, all of Time and Space was collapsing and the Doctor used a point of infinite energy along with a regeneration field to cause "Big Bang 2" except he was stuck outside it all.I will prefer further context as my knowledge of Doctor Who is limited and rusty as I only recall watching a few Doctor Whos episodes and that is it.
He says Asura's quote in "Cold Blood" (Series 5, Episode 9)Intriguing, but can you inform me (and anyone else of course) where you got this quote from, Asura? The one where anyone or anything can come back.
Yeah, the reason why I said (or because he came back she remembered him) is because we see River Song first and then Amy remembers the Doctor.The Doctor implies that any one or thing can do this.
My man Stor will be back.
- DOCTOR: People fall out of the world sometimes, but they always leave traces. Little things we can't quite account for. Faces in photographs, luggage, half eaten meals, rings. Nothing is ever forgotten, not completely. And if something can be remembered, it can come back.
Oh shit yeah, I thought the quote was when the Doctor was explaining to Amy how she can restore Rory after he got fully ate by the Crack in the Universe's assIt's from The Pandorica Opens.