• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Doctor Who Discussion Thread

Quasar002 said:
Could someone send me a scan about the transduction barrier being a conceptual barrier?
Click to expand...
d218b6b1-94e0-4701-89f9-563f630794d1

From Doctor Who and the Krikkitmen
 
If N-Space is infinite dimensional, you'd easily get to Low 1-A or 1-A when taking the multiverses, other multiverses, the Time Vortex, The Void, the Six-Fold Realm, etc, etc into account.
 
Currently, yes.

If we go by current plans, I wouldn't necessarily say anyone's the highest being in the verse. All we know is that The Grace >>>>> Key to Time.

Btw, the only reason we know The Glory is stronger than The Six-Fold God is because the Bruce Master realised the futility of all of his previous plans when seeing The Glory.
 
ByAsura said:
If we go by current plans, I wouldn't necessarily say anyone's the highest being in the verse. All we know is that The Grace >>>>> Key to Time.
Click to expand...
So the scaling is going to end up being a bit nebulous near the top?

ByAsura said:
Btw, the only reason we know The Glory is stronger than The Six-Fold God is because the Bruce Master realised the futility of all of his previous plans when seeing The Glory.
Click to expand...
So the Glory is going to be a bit outside the scaling chain for the most part.
 
ByAsura said:
If N-Space is infinite dimensional, you'd easily get to Low 1-A or 1-A when taking the multiverses, other multiverses, the Time Vortex, The Void, the Six-Fold Realm, etc, etc into account.
Click to expand...
Is the quote about dimensional infinity in Infernal Nexus referring to the universe or multiverse or multiverses?
 
I've kind of been taking everyone's word for this up until now. There's a lot more detail in this book that I didn't bother to check after reading and forgetting it the first time.
The book goes out of its way to make fun of people who think the universe is part of an infinite multiverse. In fact, it says that parallel timelines don't exist anywhere in any capacity, so it's completely incongruous with other depictions of Doctor Who.
  • Which shows how much the people who hold things know, part of which is certainly not basic English, since there can by definition only be one universe, of which all putative multiverses must necessarily be a part. People who can get something so simple the wrong way round are probably the last people to ask about comparative ontology, so we’ll leave them in a handy off-term student bar between panels, discussing the minutiae of their costume- parade insignia, the finer points of conversational Klingon and the aerodynamics of fictional dragons. There may be a disco later, but you probably wouldn’t want to go.
Dimensional sets aren't actually additional dimensions, just 'somewhere else', and there's 417-ish multiverses that exist in radically different states, and with different laws of physics/compositions (including a multiverse made of bubbles), which is why they exist separately.
  • ‘You wouldn’t know about it,’ Benny said. ‘It was after you went away. Dr Rupert Gilhooly was trying to explain it on some holovid chatshow or other, the interviewer said something like, “oh come on, that sounds like the sort of contrivance you get in crappy old adventure stories to explain why the heroes always seem to stay the same age”, and the name just sort of stuck. It just means that if you end up dislocated in time or in some other dimension, the physical processes of ageing go on hold because you’re not on your own timeline.’
  • The difficulty lay in communicating with a multiverse different from one’s original own. Differing entropy-slopes, causal processes and the fact that something as basic as atoms might or might not exist, in a certain sense, made problems with incompatible phone sockets and the like the least of anyone’s worries.
  • (The analogy falls down a little, of course, since there are multiverses where the world is indeed flat, and where the stars are gemstones in the mantel of a crystal dome.)
  • It’s another common misconception, held by those who hold such things, that our so-called universe - everything we know of and can ever know - is just one facet of a larger Multiverse. [...] The differing realities of actual multiverses are nothing like as simple as, let’s say, alternate worlds produced by Nazis winning wars or presidents not getting shot - none of which have or will ever have existed save in potentia. Nor can they be properly expressed, as such, in terms of additional dimensions, molecular resonances and quantum-packet signatures, which exist only in the minds of lazy science- fiction writers. In fact, the only human mind to ever come within striking distance of accounting for them was that of Dr Rupert Gilhooly, who described them in a string of equations large enough to fill three phone books (Business and Residential), which only he could understand, and which he expressed for everyone else as: ‘Just like these other places, yeah? They’re just, like, somewhere else.’ There were four hundred and seventeen of these multiverses at the last count, each of them existing on their own terms, in radically different states, and Station Control exists as a nexus point between them.
  • Bernice checked the read-outs. The dimensional stability of the ship’s remains had deteriorated markedly since then; the extra mass of her entering them would like as not collapse the force fields and have her disappearing up her own pocket singularity. The best bet was to realign her own ship with the dimensionally-displaced bulk of the science vessel, set up the portable field generators and use them, basically, to drag the Tinker’s Cuss back from a right angle to reality. There is a common misconception, incidentally, that a different dimensional set is the same thing as another world. This simply isn’t so. Dimensions are indeed involved, but in the same way that one can point in the general direction of the United States of America from the Republic of Ireland, but it is as impossible to actually do anything with dimensions as it is to cross the North Atlantic on foot.
  • To stretch the metaphor to breaking point, human technology in this area was on the level of a leaky coracle: it was possible to displace things transdimensionally, but the chances of being displaced into anywhere useful was of the order of one in several billion. This might seem odd in the face of all the stories of those travelling to weird and wonderful dimensions, but the fact is that those people were the one in several billion, or were taken there by some inhuman agency, or were quite frankly lying through their teeth.
  • This was the equivalent of an arrivals lounge, after all, and there are constants about arrival lounges, whether for intercontinental, interstellar, or interdimensional travel the whole universe and its multiverses over.
  • Marpies came from a multiverse where physical laws were more as they were thought to be than an immutable system of cause and effect.
The Tinker’s Cuss is partially banished from its own dimensional set (multiverse), as its forcefields protect it from fully submerging in a different set, making it transdimensional.
  • ‘Well we’re all of us only human,’ said Bernice. ‘Apart, of course, from those of us who aren’t.’ The imp-thing frowned with an air of one to whom inconsequentially or levity went completely over the head. This wasn’t hard, naturally. ‘So which human multiverse is you from?’
  • ‘I think what our visitors are trying to say,’ Braxiatel cut in hurriedly, with the air of one deciding that all this unnecessary obfuscation had gone on quite long enough, ‘is that the Tinker’s Cuss was hit by some primal, transmutational energy. Triggered - I gather from what you told me before, Rupert - by the use of certain experimental probes? The force of discharge knocked the ship off its dimensional axis. Rupert, Igron and their team were saved by the force fields around the science deck, designed to protect their apparatus, so only that part of the ship remained in our own dimensional set...’
  • ‘The upshot is,’ said Braxiatel, ‘that we now have an extraordinarily advanced research vessel lying derelict and in a transdimensional state, packed with data which might be worthless in one sense, but the value of which would be incalculable to an academic concern like the Collection. What we need, Bernice, is someone to retrieve it - someone, if possible, who has had direct experience with the more abstruse transdimensional states.’
  • ‘Lucien di Vasht,’ Volan Sleed elucidated, his catslit eyes quite flinty in a way that made one suspect they could chip bone, ‘is of course one of the most powerful men in the substrative quantum state-vector designated seven four one point three oh four, forward slash, five nine zero, slash, upsilon kappa four one nine three seven four nine six one...’ He appeared to grow tired of this and dismissed it with a wry and massive-shouldered shrug. ‘Well, let us say he’s one of the most powerful men in the multiversal world from which he comes - possibly the most powerful, by all accounts, what with several alliances forged amongst the multiplexal Overlord [...]’
The space they entered wasn't 3-D.
  • The first thing Bernice saw was the ship itself, the previously visible area of it now had a huge bite taken out of the hull. The science ship was a mess, plating sheared and sharded from the twisted frame, debris hanging in the black of a space no different, visually, from the three-dimensional space she’d left. There were bodies in the wreckage, twisted in a way that seemed wrong for any living thing. At the current viewer magnification, that could mean that they had been torn and transformed by the interdimensional stresses or that they were simply dead. Either way, Bernice hesitated to zero in on them under magnification - she’d be seeing them up close and personal soon enough.
In Station Control, which exists at the nexus between the 417 multiverses, space and time are totally warped.
  • The space she fell through could have been anything from precisely her size to infinite - probably both, in a technical sense, since she seemed to be the only thing in it...
  • When she came to try and describe Station Control, some while later, Bernice would find herself coming up against an almost insurmountable problem. How do you describe sheer chaos? If you describe it on an instant-by-instant basis, try to detail discrete images and sensations from a barrage of them, you end up with something like: Item: a small collection of multicoloured weevils, sitting on a little tarmaline plinth with ambulatory legs, bouncing around in complex patterns reminiscent of the Georgian State Dancers as seen from a great height. No particular reason for their perpetual dance is apparent. Item: sections of wall, ceiling and floor which are both sides of themselves simultaneously, rather like those wireframe representations of a cube of which one can be looking at the top or the bottom, depending upon what the mind decides, but in several additional dimensions. Item: a sudden tingling in the head and the blindingly obvious idea that is instantly gone, save for the deep knowledge that the idea itself was alive, a living memory which has passed through you on the way to somewhere else, rather like a man hurrying up a street. Item: the smell of camphor and tulips which, once again, you sensed was in some way alive - as alive as all the more prosaic giant insects, walking bears, tentacular slime monsters and all the possible variations on the basically humanoid (or at least bipedal) creatures milling in their thousands through complex spaces where down might be up or inside-out, where apparently direct routes twisted back in on themselves like a Mobius strip, where you could travel from one physical zone to another merely by thinking about it, or be barred from a section of apparently clear space by the mind registering, on some primal level, that said area was utterly inimical to life as we know it and so reacting, purely psychosomatically, as if one has walked into a diamond-hard plexiglass wall... In the end, Benny would be forced into simplification, in much the way that you can simplify the complex molecular interplay of one substance dissolving into another as a ‘swirl’.
So, when they say 'infinite dimensional set', that's what they're referring to.
  • Intellectually, she knew that she was merely rotating through the extradimensional axis that three-dimensional beings do all the time - the three dimensions plus Time that we know being only three-plus-Time of an infinite dimensional set - without even knowing it.
 
Last edited:
ByAsura said:
ByAsura said:
I've kind of been taking everyone's word for this up until now. There's a lot more detail in this book that I didn't bother to check after reading and forgetting it the first time.
The book goes out of its way to make fun of people who think the universe is part of an infinite multiverse. In fact, it says that parallel timelines don't exist anywhere in any capacity, so it's completely incongruous with other depictions of Doctor Who.
  • Which shows how much the people who hold things know, part of which is certainly not basic English, since there can by definition only be one universe, of which all putative multiverses must necessarily be a part. People who can get something so simple the wrong way round are probably the last people to ask about comparative ontology, so we’ll leave them in a handy off-term student bar between panels, discussing the minutiae of their costume- parade insignia, the finer points of conversational Klingon and the aerodynamics of fictional dragons. There may be a disco later, but you probably wouldn’t want to go.
Dimensional sets aren't actually additional dimensions, just 'somewhere else', and there's 417-ish multiverses that exist in radically different states, and with different laws of physics/compositions (including a multiverse made of bubbles), which is why they exist separately.
  • ‘You wouldn’t know about it,’ Benny said. ‘It was after you went away. Dr Rupert Gilhooly was trying to explain it on some holovid chatshow or other, the interviewer said something like, “oh come on, that sounds like the sort of contrivance you get in crappy old adventure stories to explain why the heroes always seem to stay the same age”, and the name just sort of stuck. It just means that if you end up dislocated in time or in some other dimension, the physical processes of ageing go on hold because you’re not on your own timeline.’
  • The difficulty lay in communicating with a multiverse different from one’s original own. Differing entropy-slopes, causal processes and the fact that something as basic as atoms might or might not exist, in a certain sense, made problems with incompatible phone sockets and the like the least of anyone’s worries.
  • (The analogy falls down a little, of course, since there are multiverses where the world is indeed flat, and where the stars are gemstones in the mantel of a crystal dome.)
  • It’s another common misconception, held by those who hold such things, that our so-called universe - everything we know of and can ever know - is just one facet of a larger Multiverse. [...] The differing realities of actual multiverses are nothing like as simple as, let’s say, alternate worlds produced by Nazis winning wars or presidents not getting shot - none of which have or will ever have existed save in potentia. Nor can they be properly expressed, as such, in terms of additional dimensions, molecular resonances and quantum-packet signatures, which exist only in the minds of lazy science- fiction writers. In fact, the only human mind to ever come within striking distance of accounting for them was that of Dr Rupert Gilhooly, who described them in a string of equations large enough to fill three phone books (Business and Residential), which only he could understand, and which he expressed for everyone else as: ‘Just like these other places, yeah? They’re just, like, somewhere else.’ There were four hundred and seventeen of these multiverses at the last count, each of them existing on their own terms, in radically different states, and Station Control exists as a nexus point between them.
  • Bernice checked the read-outs. The dimensional stability of the ship’s remains had deteriorated markedly since then; the extra mass of her entering them would like as not collapse the force fields and have her disappearing up her own pocket singularity. The best bet was to realign her own ship with the dimensionally-displaced bulk of the science vessel, set up the portable field generators and use them, basically, to drag the Tinker’s Cuss back from a right angle to reality. There is a common misconception, incidentally, that a different dimensional set is the same thing as another world. This simply isn’t so. Dimensions are indeed involved, but in the same way that one can point in the general direction of the United States of America from the Republic of Ireland, but it is as impossible to actually do anything with dimensions as it is to cross the North Atlantic on foot.
  • To stretch the metaphor to breaking point, human technology in this area was on the level of a leaky coracle: it was possible to displace things transdimensionally, but the chances of being displaced into anywhere useful was of the order of one in several billion. This might seem odd in the face of all the stories of those travelling to weird and wonderful dimensions, but the fact is that those people were the one in several billion, or were taken there by some inhuman agency, or were quite frankly lying through their teeth.
  • This was the equivalent of an arrivals lounge, after all, and there are constants about arrival lounges, whether for intercontinental, interstellar, or interdimensional travel the whole universe and its multiverses over.
  • Marpies came from a multiverse where physical laws were more as they were thought to be than an immutable system of cause and effect.
The Tinker’s Cuss is partially banished from its own dimensional set (multiverse), as its forcefields protect it from fully submerging in a different set, making it transdimensional.
  • ‘Well we’re all of us only human,’ said Bernice. ‘Apart, of course, from those of us who aren’t.’ The imp-thing frowned with an air of one to whom inconsequentially or levity went completely over the head. This wasn’t hard, naturally. ‘So which human multiverse is you from?’
  • ‘I think what our visitors are trying to say,’ Braxiatel cut in hurriedly, with the air of one deciding that all this unnecessary obfuscation had gone on quite long enough, ‘is that the Tinker’s Cuss was hit by some primal, transmutational energy. Triggered - I gather from what you told me before, Rupert - by the use of certain experimental probes? The force of discharge knocked the ship off its dimensional axis. Rupert, Igron and their team were saved by the force fields around the science deck, designed to protect their apparatus, so only that part of the ship remained in our own dimensional set...’
  • ‘The upshot is,’ said Braxiatel, ‘that we now have an extraordinarily advanced research vessel lying derelict and in a transdimensional state, packed with data which might be worthless in one sense, but the value of which would be incalculable to an academic concern like the Collection. What we need, Bernice, is someone to retrieve it - someone, if possible, who has had direct experience with the more abstruse transdimensional states.’
  • ‘Lucien di Vasht,’ Volan Sleed elucidated, his catslit eyes quite flinty in a way that made one suspect they could chip bone, ‘is of course one of the most powerful men in the substrative quantum state-vector designated seven four one point three oh four, forward slash, five nine zero, slash, upsilon kappa four one nine three seven four nine six one...’ He appeared to grow tired of this and dismissed it with a wry and massive-shouldered shrug. ‘Well, let us say he’s one of the most powerful men in the multiversal world from which he comes - possibly the most powerful, by all accounts, what with several alliances forged amongst the multiplexal Overlord [...]’
The space they entered wasn't 3-D.
  • The first thing Bernice saw was the ship itself, the previously visible area of it now had a huge bite taken out of the hull. The science ship was a mess, plating sheared and sharded from the twisted frame, debris hanging in the black of a space no different, visually, from the three-dimensional space she’d left. There were bodies in the wreckage, twisted in a way that seemed wrong for any living thing. At the current viewer magnification, that could mean that they had been torn and transformed by the interdimensional stresses or that they were simply dead. Either way, Bernice hesitated to zero in on them under magnification - she’d be seeing them up close and personal soon enough.
In Station Control, which exists at the nexus between the 417 multiverses, space and time are totally warped.
  • The space she fell through could have been anything from precisely her size to infinite - probably both, in a technical sense, since she seemed to be the only thing in it...
  • When she came to try and describe Station Control, some while later, Bernice would find herself coming up against an almost insurmountable problem. How do you describe sheer chaos? If you describe it on an instant-by-instant basis, try to detail discrete images and sensations from a barrage of them, you end up with something like: Item: a small collection of multicoloured weevils, sitting on a little tarmaline plinth with ambulatory legs, bouncing around in complex patterns reminiscent of the Georgian State Dancers as seen from a great height. No particular reason for their perpetual dance is apparent. Item: sections of wall, ceiling and floor which are both sides of themselves simultaneously, rather like those wireframe representations of a cube of which one can be looking at the top or the bottom, depending upon what the mind decides, but in several additional dimensions. Item: a sudden tingling in the head and the blindingly obvious idea that is instantly gone, save for the deep knowledge that the idea itself was alive, a living memory which has passed through you on the way to somewhere else, rather like a man hurrying up a street. Item: the smell of camphor and tulips which, once again, you sensed was in some way alive - as alive as all the more prosaic giant insects, walking bears, tentacular slime monsters and all the possible variations on the basically humanoid (or at least bipedal) creatures milling in their thousands through complex spaces where down might be up or inside-out, where apparently direct routes twisted back in on themselves like a Mobius strip, where you could travel from one physical zone to another merely by thinking about it, or be barred from a section of apparently clear space by the mind registering, on some primal level, that said area was utterly inimical to life as we know it and so reacting, purely psychosomatically, as if one has walked into a diamond-hard plexiglass wall... In the end, Benny would be forced into simplification, in much the way that you can simplify the complex molecular interplay of one substance dissolving into another as a ‘swirl’.
So, when they say 'infinite dimensional set', that's what they're referring to.
  • Intellectually, she knew that she was merely rotating through the extradimensional axis that three-dimensional beings do all the time - the three dimensions plus Time that we know being only three-plus-Time of an infinite dimensional set - without even knowing it.
Click to expand...
From what I understand, infinite dimensional set refers to multiverses then?
Click to expand...
 
ByAsura said:
Dimensional sets aren't actually additional dimensions, just 'somewhere else', and there's 417-ish multiverses that exist in radically different states, and with different laws of physics/compositions (including a multiverse made of bubbles), which is why they exist separately.
Click to expand...
There is a common misconception, incidentally, that a
different dimensional set is the same thing as another world.
This simply isn't so. Dimensions are indeed involved, but in
the same way that one can point in the general direction of
the United States of America from the Republic of Ireland,
but it is as impossible to actually do anything with
dimensions as it is to cross the North Atlantic on foot.
- The Infernal Nexus, pg. 19
Click to expand...
 
Yes, I did include that quote. It just doesn't seem like proof, in and of itself.
 


The book is faction paradox: Head of state.

Is this supposed to grant plot hax to time lords through the caldera?

tardis.fandom.com

Caldera

The caldera was a sacred area of the Homeworld that acted as a node point where all lines of historical influence converged and one could stare directly into the heart of time. It was a crater, created by the first emergence of the Yssgaroth into the universe. The Great Houses' Citadel was built...
tardis.fandom.com tardis.fandom.com
 
Quasar002 said:


The book is faction paradox: Head of state.

Is this supposed to grant plot hax to time lords through the caldera?

tardis.fandom.com

Caldera

The caldera was a sacred area of the Homeworld that acted as a node point where all lines of historical influence converged and one could stare directly into the heart of time. It was a crater, created by the first emergence of the Yssgaroth into the universe. The Great Houses' Citadel was built...
tardis.fandom.com tardis.fandom.com
Click to expand...

Honestly it may be
 
I have the book.

It's explained in A Bloody (and Public) Domaine that the Caldera somehow arrived at the centre of the Earth. In this book, Lolita (under the pseudonym 'Lola Denison') is trying to access it via Project Caldera, which was covered up as a geothermal energy project.
  • As we move forward into the twenty-first century, America needs to regain its energy independence. We can no longer rely on unstable Arab countries to supply us with oil. We can, in fact, no longer rely on oil. Therefore, today I am announcing the energy plan that President Nelson and I put together during the last few weeks. Project Caldera will be the Manhattan Project of geothermal energy. There are resources below the Earth’s crust that are of undreamed of power, and while some attempts were made during the seventies to tap them, those projects didn’t go far enough. Project Caldera will. This Project will remake America into a new, better nation. Within ten years, we will have gained access to enough power to change the world. So let us go forward together into this new, better America with our heads held high, even as we mourn the loss of President Nelson, my friend and the man who should have been our leader. In memory of him, while I am assuming the role of head of the Presidency, I do not wish to be addressed as Madame President. Matt Nelson should have the title, not me. I want you to think of me as just another citizen – yes, your leader, but your friend as well. So don’t call me by my title, but by my name. Call me Lolita.
The character who's talking to us is some rando who says that he told the previous owner of the Cauldron (presumably Rassilon) to hide it within the Earth. When you erase someone from space-time, they can still exist in a memetic form (i.e, the concept of that person having existed is still in existence), and they became a Shift when they were randomly erased from space-time.

The implication is that Lola accessed the Caldera and turned him into the Shift.
  • And in the shock and confusion, Lola Denison walked up, gave an appeal for calm, and took the oath again, this time as President. And at that moment, I’d lost, and she’d won. It had been futile from the start, of course. I’m a being of pure concept, trapped in the text of a novel, only able to communicate with one subnormal hick, and my opponent is someone who is capable of rewriting history, of planting propaganda a thousand years in the past that would lead to someone killing a President today. I was outclassed. And now the Caldera will be in the hands of someone who is inimical to all life, and I’m trapped.
 
Last edited:
ByAsura said:
I have the book.

It's explained in A Bloody (and Public) Domaine that the Caldera somehow arrived at the centre of the Earth. In this book, Lolita is trying to access it via Project Caldera, which was covered up as a geothermal energy project.
  • As we move forward into the twenty-first century, America needs to regain its energy independence. We can no longer rely on unstable Arab countries to supply us with oil. We can, in fact, no longer rely on oil. Therefore, today I am announcing the energy plan that President Nelson and I put together during the last few weeks. Project Caldera
Click to expand...
Hmmm, so just out of curiosity, has there been anyone regenerated from that?
High Godly could been a thing here as well,
 
I will prefer further context as my knowledge of Doctor Who is limited and rusty as I only recall watching a few Doctor Whos episodes and that is it.
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
I will prefer further context as my knowledge of Doctor Who is limited and rusty as I only recall watching a few Doctor Whos episodes and that is it.
Click to expand...
Basically, all of Time and Space was collapsing and the Doctor used a point of infinite energy along with a regeneration field to cause "Big Bang 2" except he was stuck outside it all.

The Doctor ended up coming back because Amy Pond remembered him (or because he came back she remembered him) and he showed up at her Wedding saying that he was impressed.
 
Hmmm, I wonder if it has due to circumstances and that is just one potential regeneration feat out of the many episodes and stories of Doctor Who.

(I myself am quite aware of how vast Doctor Who is especially how much stuff that the franchise got over the years)
 
The Doctor implies that any one or thing can do this.
  • DOCTOR: People fall out of the world sometimes, but they always leave traces. Little things we can't quite account for. Faces in photographs, luggage, half eaten meals, rings. Nothing is ever forgotten, not completely. And if something can be remembered, it can come back.
My man Stor will be back.
 
Intriguing, but can you inform me (and anyone else of course) where you got this quote from, Asura? The one where anyone or anything can come back.
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
Intriguing, but can you inform me (and anyone else of course) where you got this quote from, Asura? The one where anyone or anything can come back.
Click to expand...
He says Asura's quote in "Cold Blood" (Series 5, Episode 9)

Doctor does the Bing Bang 2 in the Season finale "The Big Bang"
 
ByAsura said:
The Doctor implies that any one or thing can do this.
  • DOCTOR: People fall out of the world sometimes, but they always leave traces. Little things we can't quite account for. Faces in photographs, luggage, half eaten meals, rings. Nothing is ever forgotten, not completely. And if something can be remembered, it can come back.
My man Stor will be back.
Click to expand...
Yeah, the reason why I said (or because he came back she remembered him) is because we see River Song first and then Amy remembers the Doctor.
 
Could anyone inform me about multiverse IV actually existing in Doctor Who? I know that there are brane universes, universes with different laws of physics, etc... But does multiverse IV really exist? Like, some quote or something.
 
There's one in the Scientific Secrets of Doctor Who.
  • In 2003, physicist Max Tegmark suggested that there might be four different types of multiverse. The first, a Level I Multiverse, is anywhere in our universe further than 46 billion light years from Earth. That distance is the furthest that we can see into the universe, so anything beyond it is effectively cut off from us. In Level II, our entire universe is just one of a number of distinct bubbles inside a greater whole – like E-Space and N-Space in Doctor Who. In Level III, there are universes for ‘every conceivable way that the world could be’ – universes branching out from each other as choices lead to different outcomes, such as Schrödinger’s dead and alive cats or the consequences of Donna’s choice to turn left or right in Turn Left (2008), which we’ll discuss more in Chapter 6. Lastly, in Level IV universes, even the laws of physics can be different and anything might happen. In Battlefield (1989), the Doctor says the Arthurian knights come from ‘another dimension’ and ‘sideways in time from another universe’ – one where magic seems to be real. That suggests the other Earth where King Arthur is real has its own laws of physics, different to our own. If all possibilities are played out somewhere, then there’s a universe where Doctor Who is real – all of it, even the bits that are contradictory or silly – and another universe where you are the Doctor, and another where you’re a Dalek. Perhaps there are even more than these four levels of universe. In 2011, physicist Brian Greene suggested nine different types. There might be many more. It’s ironic, isn’t it? Trying to understand the very smallest size of matter has led to fundamental questions about how the universe works at the very biggest scale.
I dismissed it initially, but now I have more substantial proof.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

ByAsura
  • Locked
Making Doctor Who Great Again Part 1 - Cosmology/Tiering
6 7 8
Replies
285
Views
24K
ByAsura
ByAsura
Eseseso
  • Locked
"Let's Talk About Magic"-Part 1: Character-Specific Revisions
Replies
34
Views
2K
Eseseso
Eseseso
Rabbit2002
  • Locked
The Doctor Upgrade
Replies
37
Views
2K
Rabbit2002
Rabbit2002
Oliver_de_jesus
  • Locked
Minor Doctor Who crt
Replies
23
Views
2K
ByAsura
ByAsura
CosmicWreck
Doctor Who revision maybe
Replies
9
Views
2K
ByAsura
ByAsura
Back
Top