Doctor Who Discussion Thread

[ByAsura]

Yes.

TARDISes can just make water/food, or make technology capable of making water/food.

• COMPUTER: More valuable than the total sum of any currency. Living metal. Bespoke engineering. Whatever machine you require, this system will build it.

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• DOCTOR: Architectural Reconfiguration System. It reconstructs particles according to your needs.
• GREGOR: A machine that makes machines?
• DOCTOR: Yes, basically. What are you doing? No, no, don't. Don't!

You have to remember that Eyes of Harmony are perpetual energy sources. Unlimited energy and advanced mass-energy conversion technology = unlimited basic resources. That's not to say a TARDIS can manufacture anything, though.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

so if we make a Canon extended key

Would the enemy be treated like the higher narratives of SCP?

We Are the Enemy (short story)

We Are the Enemy was the tenth story in The Book of the Enemy. In the story, Lawrence Burton explored the idea that — as a Faction Paradox writer — he himself was the Enemy. Briefing K Lawrence Burton cycles a trail every day, but today has had a tree fall in front of him, disrupting his...

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[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

so if we make a Canon extended key

Would the enemy be treated like the higher narratives of SCP?

We Are the Enemy (short story)

We Are the Enemy was the tenth story in The Book of the Enemy. In the story, Lawrence Burton explored the idea that — as a Faction Paradox writer — he himself was the Enemy. Briefing K Lawrence Burton cycles a trail every day, but today has had a tree fall in front of him, disrupting his...

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Wasn’t there something like doctor who has no canon is it because there’s too much lore material. That’s why?


also did anyone other than the time lords and the daleks participate in the time war (I believe you said humans did but what other races?)

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Wasn’t there something like doctor who has no canon is it because there’s too much lore material. That’s why?

They don't have the license for many things, they can't even call Time lords as Time lords, but as great houses, although Asura is going to do something about it.

also did anyone other than the time lords and the daleks participate in the time war (I believe you said humans did but what other races?)

Yes, but they were altered by the effect of the war, The Khan's Sisters(A magic based sub-faction of the Time Lords) and forced the Great Vampires to serve as weapons by opening a hole within the Web of Time to Spiral Yssgaroth iirc

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

They don't have the license for many things, they can't even call Time lords as Time lords, but as great houses, although Asura is going to do something about it.

Yes, but they were altered by the effect of the war, The Khan's Sisters(A magic based sub-faction of the Time Lords) and forced the Great Vampires to serve as weapons by opening a hole within the Web of Time to Spiral Yssgaroth iirc

how does the web of time work?

what does it do, didn’t the daleks make their own version?

although whatever the daleks made, was it just a knockoff version of the time lords tech. (Their versions were worse? Or were there any that were better?)

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Basically it is a big spider web made by the time lords, in this way it kept the past stable, Present and future in that way the Time Lords would always be the supreme race but the Daleks took advantage of the fact that Gallifrey was weakened and stole the plans to create their own eye of harmony, which allowed them to create his own web that Daleks would dominate, in this way both tried to expand their webs into the other web to be able to rewrite each other in the Time War

 

[ImmortalDread]

Following, I only watch doctor who 11 and 12

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Basically it is a big spider web made by the time lords, in this way it kept the past stable, Present and future in that way the Time Lords would always be the supreme race but the Daleks took advantage of the fact that Gallifrey was weakened and stole the plans to create their own eye of harmony, which allowed them to create his own web that Daleks would dominate, in this way both tried to expand their webs into the other web to be able to rewrite each other in the Time War

but is dalek version of these time lord tech just a knockoff version

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

pero es la versión dalek de esta tecnología del señor del tiempo solo una versión de imitación

more or less, but they started with the advantage that the Time lords underestimated then at the beginning so they ended up in an improvement loop

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

more or less, but they started with the advantage that the Time lords underestimated then at the beginning so they ended up in an improvement loop

Yeah because the time lords were very arrogant weren’t they

Also mind if I use google translate for some of your messages?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Also mind if I use google translate for some of your messages?

I have no problem

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I have no problem

Thanks. I see a lot of threads here that are like language threads. I’m not sure how they react to someone who can’t speak the language or anything but want to participate so they use google translate

 

[ByAsura]

so if we make a Canon extended key

Would the enemy be treated like the higher narratives of SCP?

We Are the Enemy (short story)

We Are the Enemy was the tenth story in The Book of the Enemy. In the story, Lawrence Burton explored the idea that — as a Faction Paradox writer — he himself was the Enemy. Briefing K Lawrence Burton cycles a trail every day, but today has had a tree fall in front of him, disrupting his...

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I'm planning to make an enemy profile blog (though not a profile itself). The problem is mainly the sheer amount of content.

Anyway, I have the story (plus virtually every FP story). There's multiple references to meta-fiction and transcendentalism (I'll even put one of my favourite below), but this story presents this as something hardly conclusive. It's more of a proposal, and I honestly don't even think it's enough for a possibly rating.

Here's a scene where an aspect of The Enemy flicks reality like a page to erase someone.

• The Were-Crows took to the sky, their screams bleaching it white. Higher they flew. Higher still. And there they multiplied. And again. Wheeling and knotting together in rows. Becoming a scrawl across the sky. To Fen they looked like symbols. Strange hieroglyphs – alien yet somehow familiar. Realisation burned away what was left of her sanity and she fell back on the grass beneath a mockery of language. Words written backwards. She stared up and, for a short time, her eyes met with the final aspect of The Enemy. A cosmic giant, one finger of one hand pressed to its sneering lips. Hush. Feeding off fiction. Forever hungry for new worlds to consume. Reality flicked to the left. And she was gone.

They don't have the license for many things, they can't even call Time lords as Time lords, but as great houses, although Asura is going to do something about it.

It's worth noting that Dalek Empire didn't have the Doctor Who license until after it came out.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I'm planning to make an enemy profile blog (though not a profile itself). The problem is mainly the sheer amount of content.

Anyway, I have the story (plus virtually every FP story). There's multiple references to meta-fiction and transcendentalism (I'll even put one of my favourite below), but this story presents this as something hardly conclusive. It's more of a proposal, and I honestly don't even think it's enough for a possibly rating.

Here's a scene where an aspect of The Enemy flicks reality like a page to erase someone.

• The Were-Crows took to the sky, their screams bleaching it white. Higher they flew. Higher still. And there they multiplied. And again. Wheeling and knotting together in rows. Becoming a scrawl across the sky. To Fen they looked like symbols. Strange hieroglyphs – alien yet somehow familiar. Realisation burned away what was left of her sanity and she fell back on the grass beneath a mockery of language. Words written backwards. She stared up and, for a short time, her eyes met with the final aspect of The Enemy. A cosmic giant, one finger of one hand pressed to its sneering lips. Hush. Feeding off fiction. Forever hungry for new worlds to consume. Reality flicked to the left. And she was gone.

Fine, but would it count as Plot Hax?

It's worth noting that Dalek Empire didn't have the Doctor Who license until after it came out.

I don't know what it has to be with what i said

 

[ByAsura]

Fine, but would it count as Plot Hax?

Like I said, it's not really useable.

I don't know what it has to be with what i said

Just mentioning licensing stuff, like you were talking about.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

interesting things from "The Cosmology of the Spiral Politic"

essentially Time lords can't really see, intervene or affect their futures and pasts, basically a type 2 acasuality

and the void that exists between universes will require an infinite/immeasurable speed to move

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

interesting things from "The Cosmology of the Spiral Politic"

essentially Time lords can't really see, intervene or affect their futures and pasts, basically a type 2 acasuality

and the void that exists between universes will require an infinite/immeasurable speed to move

So timelords can’t affect type 2 acausality.

but can they deal with people immune to the grandfather paradox aka type 1?


how does their acasuality type 4 work?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

So timelords can’t affect type 2 acausality.

they can but it's ******* hard

but can they deal with people immune to the grandfather paradox aka type 1?

yes, during the time war they stole the continuity bomb and others tech

how does their acasuality type 4 work?

they are not affected by the changes or causality unlike the other creatures because they are basically stuck in the story as if Rassilon had built a temporal armor around them.

 

[ByAsura]

They also present manipulating time lord history as quite difficult in Gallifrey: Weapon of Choice and The Book of the War. But it's way easier in the Time War era.

The Doctor also uses this relationship with time to move more quickly in slowed down time by force of will in Emancipation of the Daleks.

As for the void requiring immeasurable speed, I think that should definitely be case-by-case.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/the-xeelee-vs-the-time-lords-1-vote-left.123136/

Should we remove this match because of the time lord CRT’s/doctor who revisions coming soon?

 

[ByAsura]

we remove matches when revisions are accepted, not before they're even out

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

we remove matches when revisions are accepted, not before they're even out

I know

but after the revisions are accepted is the xeelee match going to be removed?

 

[ByAsura]

Yes.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Yes.

Can you give a little summary of exactly what the new revisions will be for doctor who?

 

[ByAsura]

Dimension tiering is case-by-case due to huge amounts of inconsistency and anti-feats (meaning huge downgrades across the board).

Time Lord, Sontaran, Dalek (including Pre-Time War, Time War, and Post Time War profiles) and Cybermen expansions, upgrades and downgrades.

Pre-Time War TARDIS durability downgrade (Star level pre-time war, Solar System level during the Time War and beyond). Plus, Kinetic Extrapolator downgrade.

More profiles.

Lots and lots of new p&a additions.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Dimension tiering is case-by-case due to huge amounts of inconsistency and anti-feats (meaning huge downgrades across the board).

Time Lord, Sontaran, Dalek (including Pre-Time War, Time War, and Post Time War profiles) and Cybermen expansions, upgrades and downgrades.

Pre-Time War TARDIS durability downgrade (Star level pre-time war, Solar System level during the Time War and beyond). Plus, Kinetic Extrapolator downgrade.

More profiles.

Lots and lots of new p&a additions.

Basically this, in addition to the fact that I plan to update the page of the verse to include the derived series Images and a sub-description of them

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Basically this, in addition to the fact that I plan to update the page of the verse to include the derived series Images and a sub-description of them

Maybe a link to tardis wiki too?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Maybe a link to tardis wiki too?

Well, yea, but I guess we could add it as a way of explaining a bit further what a Fixed Point in Time is.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Well, yea, but I guess we could add it as a way of explaining a bit further what a Fixed Point in Time is.

Is there no way to change a fixed point in time.

also could the flood infect the doctor? (Aka the mars thing, I don’t want to see what a flood infected doctor looked like)

 

[ByAsura]

You can't properly change a fixed point in time, but you can sometimes sabotage one before it's ever made.

This is why there's so many fixed points in the human and Dalek timelines, but there's still genuine stakes that they could be destroyed in the past.

However, fixed events become fixed when someone becomes aware of it. So if I figured out you killed me from a book title (creating a fixed event) and then travelled back in time to kill you before that could happen, the universe would break because I contravened something that's a fixed event from the perspective of my subjective timeline.

On the other hand, massive (as in Eye of Harmony level) sources of power like Sutekh and the Eye of Time from that Dalek game have enough power to override established history and mess with fixed events. There's also times where time corridors and paradoxes can do this (like The Mutant Phase and Day of the Daleks).

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Is there no way to change a fixed point in time.

Yes, what ByAsura said, but if you want to get serious you just have to tear out the anchor and start from Zero again

also could the flood infect the doctor? (Aka the mars thing, I don’t want to see what a flood infected doctor looked like)

Theoretically yes, although I don't remember much of the chapter

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Yes, what ByAsura said, but if you want to get serious you just have to tear out the anchor and start from Zero again

Theoretically yes, although I don't remember much of the chapter

Also where did the grace come from?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Also where did the grace come from?

No idea, it just exist

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

No idea, it just exist

Well I also remember the six-fold god got pissed off by the hybrid Kronos and the grace intervened

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Well I also remember the six-fold god got pissed off by the hybrid Kronos and the grace intervened

Yes, the grace commanded them to enforce the Covenant and Kronos' existence broke it.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Man I wonder where the guardians of time came from?

 

[ImmortalDread]

Man I wonder where the guardians of time came from?

From time

 

[ByAsura]

There's a few proposed origins.

One is that they were basically the Time Lords of their own dying universe who escaped and were granted insane levels of power due to the different physical laws of N-Space. Or they existed in the pre-universe, and the new physical laws created by the Time Lords anchoring history is what gave them that power. Another proposes that they were made by a singular being (but everyone ignores that one because it's been retconned to hell and back). Then we have a different source saying that all of them came from a collection of universes in the outer multiverse or something (I can't fully remember, but I think it's from White Darkness).

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

There's a few proposed origins.

One is that they were basically the Time Lords of their own dying universe who escaped and were granted insane levels of power due to the different physical laws of N-Space. Or they existed in the pre-universe, and the new physical laws created by the Time Lords anchoring history is what gave them that power. Another proposes that they were made by a singular being (but everyone ignores that one because it's been retconned to hell and back).

So long story short they owe their powers or existence to the time lords

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

What is N-Space though where is it on the map. If the omniverse were a map.