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Okay, I've been reading the 7th Doctor story (because I'm too lazy to listen to audio) and God is a troll as shit lmao
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Success0906
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Who wrote the song?
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If daleks and davros are pure evil
Who else is pure evil in DW
I’ll call the master near pure evil. Depends on the incarnation though wasn’t the John simms one pure evil
Who else is pure evil in DW
I’ll call the master near pure evil. Depends on the incarnation though wasn’t the John simms one pure evil
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Fenric. He is literally evil.
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Ignoring cosmic deities who else?
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Ignoring Fenric, I think the Master might fit that definition. Apart from those you mentioned, I can’t think of any other beings that fit that definition off the top of my head.
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How about near pure evil
But what did the master do exactly that caused him to cross the irredeemable line
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The Master has so many moments of cruelty that it's hard to pinpoint a specific one. But taking the most recent case, his killing everyone on Gallifrey without any mercy and then shooting the Doctor in the face right after is something I consider very cruel. Saving Gallifrey was a significant moment for both the audience and the Doctor. So I think this could place him at the top of the cruelty scale. Additionally, he "killed" himself, lol.
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The John simms one was one of the worst though I heard the original one with the mustache was similar levels of evil
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Sure. In addition to the Master, I can think of the Valeyard, who is the Doctor's embodiment of "evil." I’m not sure if he can be classified as "pure evil," but he is definitely "almost pure evil." The man is so cold that he was willing to kill his previous incarnations without any remorse, lol. And I think, even conceptually, he should fit. I mean, in some stories he has been described as "the dark side of the Doctor, pulling a bit from Jung here." And his relationship with the Doctor has been compared to "yin and yang." So I think he should fit as well.
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Oh yeah and the weeping angels their all pretty evil ngl
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Yes. The way they attack their victims is extremely cruel, as they consume all the potential life of their victims by sending them to the past. They are definitely evil.
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Oh yeah what is the plans for intelligence for mainly chars like the Doctor etc as I'm curious there. Is it staying at supergenius?
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Of course, anyone can make a blog with all the crazy things the Doc do
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I was just seeing if there's any plans for changes for it. As I swear he has outsmarted beings which are classed as nigh-omniscient here
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Eh, honestly, he cannot get anything higher than Supergenius, not due lack feats but there is not other intelligence rank to put him.
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I remember that ByAsura planned to make all the Time Lords almost omniscient. Although he made this comment a long time ago, so I don't know if he decided to change his mind.
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well i guess it depends on how one interprets night-omniscience works.
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Can you have a Varies rating on intelligence? Idk if it's possible but that could be it lmao since his feats can range a lot. Maybe Nigh-Omniscient but when he's absorbed the Time Vortex since Rose has that rating?
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There's statements like them seeing all of time at once I think. Could be like a "Supergenius, Nigh-Omniscient with" situation.
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Basically this is what I'm saying
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I mean, I have no problem with Night-Omnicient, I just don't know how the staff takes it.
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That doesn't count because Kill the Moon is ass.
Nah jk but fair enough, I think nigh-omniscient can work but as said "with" so with the Time Vortex or anything else
Nah jk but fair enough, I think nigh-omniscient can work but as said "with" so with the Time Vortex or anything else
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Civilization profiles don't have intelligence ratings.
As for Nigh-Omniscience, they are in at least one timeframe. The Matrix's simulation capabilities cover the whole of space-time for periods of billions of years. If that fails (which it does when they hit the frontiers of time, deep time and other stuff), they have telescopes to analyse billions of years of history that aren't under control.
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I understand. Besides the Matrix being able to see all of space-time up to billions of years, it can also visualise alternate universes, right? I remember having seen this somewhere.
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Due to flux, different timelines exist in the same continuum in Doctor Who. The Matrix can visualise all the variables that make up these timelines through sheer processing power, and it also ordains the true path of history. So it can brute force compute alternate timelines, if necessary.
It's worth noting that the Cyberons' (discount, copyright free, rinky-dink Cybermen) can use their collective intelligence to glimpse AUs at a time when the walls of reality were closed.
It's worth noting that the Cyberons' (discount, copyright free, rinky-dink Cybermen) can use their collective intelligence to glimpse AUs at a time when the walls of reality were closed.
- Yes, their wonderful network—as they brought it to life and tapped into its full potential, they could see everything. The corridors of their ship, crawling with unfamiliar entities—the vast expanses of space without—the stars and planets and nebulae and things they couldn't yet name, stretching on forever into the wilds beyond. They could see life, its creatures and voyagers and processes. They could see death—and they could see beyond. They could see time, and they could see the delicate fibres of which it was composed. They could see history, an intricate, orderly, spiraling web anchored to the foundations of the universe. They could see through those foundations—out into the howling Void Between Worlds that lay beyond, past the conceptual abominations that dwelled within. For a brief moment, it seemed that they could even catch a glimpse into other realities, other universes entirely. - Cybergeddon
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I heard from one source that time lords apparently have true forms which can’t be perceived as they are higher dimensional. I’d need to find the quote but could it add anything?
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Time lords are full of surprises. The eleventh doctor had three boots. If you know what I mean, of course.
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There's a few, like Christmas on a Rational Planet and Sky Pirates.
The suggestion from Faction Paradox books/storyline (which is basically a direct continuation of the VNAs) is that a Time Lord's biodata is engrained directly into the fabric of history and mapped onto the Vortex, whereas a normal person is limited to space-time.
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Hmm ok, that’s interesting. Could maybe give some good hax and stuff.
Are you gonna make like a separate key for faction paradox as I heard it’s considered a form of extended canon?
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Yeah, basically allow them to interact and see higher D as it happen in Unnatural History and The Pirate Loop
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I know faction paradox also has a lot of stuff which relates to plot and metafiction stuff for time lords and other chars
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The War in Heaven is an aborted timeline. So, war-specific technologies/feats will be in a separate key.
There's two things to note, though.
Firstly, Gallifrey's future influences its past to a degree, meaning even general information about Gallifrey's past from FP is questionable. It's very limited due to the protocols of linearity and the transduction barrier, but still enough to cause a bit of fuckery with the profiles.
Secondly, the Time Lords most likely developed the same or better technology during the Time War, which occurred centuries after the WIH was supposed to have occurred. There's even references to WIH technologies in Twelve Angels Weeping and other stories.
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So will the Time War key be similar to the War in Heaven?
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More or less, some things like the Retro waves after the first 3, probably not, but in terms of capacity they would be equal
in fact there is a theory due a text within the book of the war, both wars occur in parallel, where the Daleks have conflicts with the Time Lords so that they get ideas and experiences to fight the Enemy within a Minor Homeworld
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Makes sense. So about the Enemy themself, I know that one’s gonna be complicated lol due to the many identities
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Both the TW and WIH keys will be fairly similar to even the Anchoring to 7th Doctor era keys.
Barring TARDISes, Time Lord technological evolution is glacially slow.
The Time War is another animal.
Barring TARDISes, Time Lord technological evolution is glacially slow.
That refers to something from Dead Romance and (to some extent) The Quantum Archangel.
The Time War is another animal.
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Ah, well, i was thinking in "A Prelude to a Prelude' novel but you are right
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It's easiest to think of The Enemy as an ideology that exists on the same levels as space-time itself, the platonic abstraction of freedom, and fundamental forces like gravity.
The Anchoring of the Thread rewrote what came before it, but failed to wipe it out, so there's a lot of factions against the status quo.
Keep in mind, being a member of The Enemy doesn't just mean disagreeing with existence, it means being metaphysically opposed to the Spiral Politic. This also means their Reps exist outside of continuity to a degree (I'll try to find the quote).
I know what you meant. Chris Cwej made the deals from A Prelude to a Prelude in Dead Romance.
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Due to the nature of the Enemy and how complicated it is, I would really like to know how the Time Lords managed to defeat it. If I’m not mistaken, there is a book by Chris Cwej that takes place after the War in Heaven, which means that the Time Lords either won the war or at least that the War in Heaven has ended. This is also covered in the "Book of Peace," where the end of the War in Heaven is already anticipated.
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