Doctor Strange Supreme & Scarlet Witch Physicals Upgrade

[RoTt35]

Doctor Strange Supreme was able to physically destroy Tao Mandalas and punch away the Protection Spell of his counterpart, which withstood shapeshifted blows and DSS's Magic, which is "At least 7-B+, up to likely 6-B". Therefore his physicals should be upgraded to "At least 7-B+, likely 6-B", and consequently Doctor Strange's Protection Spell, which would scale to the Sacred Timeline variant, would have the same durability.

• Extra as I don't know if it would qualify as Acausality, Doctor Strange Supreme and his counterpart were unaffected by the destruction of the timeline unlike everything and everyone else, and when it was completely destroyed he was also unaffected unlike Cristine.

Scarlet Witch was able to physically break through a Tao Mandala, therefore her physicals should be upgraded to 7-B+, I don't remember if America Chavez scales from her

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Doctor Strange Supreme was able to physically destroy Tao Mandalas and punch away the Protection Spell of his counterpart, which withstood shapeshifted blows and DSS's Magic, which is "At least 7-B+, up to likely 6-B". Therefore his physicals should be upgraded to "At least 7-B+, likely 6-B", and consequently Doctor Strange's Protection Spell, which would scale to the Sacred Timeline variant, would have the same durability.

• Extra as I don't know if it would qualify as Acausality, Doctor Strange Supreme and his counterpart were unaffected by the destruction of the timeline unlike everything and everyone else, and when it was completely destroyed he was also unaffected unlike Cristine.

Scarlet Witch was able to physically break through a Tao Mandala, therefore her physicals should be upgraded to 7-B+

Seems okay

I don't remember if America Chavez scales from her

I remember that America Chavez did punch her several times and somewhat harmed her

 

[Excellence616]

I agree

 

[Propellus]

While this looks fine, but I'm iffy on Chavez scaling to Wanda considering she also physically overpowered her and basically smirked off her blows

 

[RoTt35]

Here is the scene, America Chavez is able to push Scarlet Witch back with her blows and they seem to harm her, and Wanda had to use her magic to stop her, although she later physically choked her though I think that would be more LS than AP

 

[Propellus]

Here is the scene, America Chavez is able to push Scarlet Witch back with her blows and they seem to harm her, and Wanda had to use her magic to stop her, although she later physically choked her though I think that would be more LS than AP

Though the problem is that Wanda barely showed a reaction to those blows, all she did was smirk about them. Because usually it's like this in the Durability rules

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Here is the scene

Is it just me or it is really sped up lol

Though the problem is that Wanda barely showed a reaction to those blows, all she did was smirk about them. Because usually it's like this in the Durability rules

It says that "No-Selling" means they show no reaction to the attack and the character could still take damage from it. Wanda was holding her face at the area where she was punched, then staggered and seemingly slightly harmed by the next punches to the point of nearly falling off the cliff, so it might warrant Chavez downscaling, but that's just me

 

[RoTt35]

Maybe "At most 7-B+" for America Chavez?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Maybe "At most 7-B+" for America Chavez?

That works for me

 

[Propellus]

Dunno about her downscaling either, but I'll just wait until more opinions pass by

 

[Aachintya31]

which would scale to the Sacred Timeline variant, would have the same durability.

Why?

 

[RoTt35]

Why?

We accept that episode as scalable to the Sacred Timeline since the story is the same than the movie except for Cristine's death, and Doctor Strange's profile already has some stuff from his variant of What If...?

 

[Lacku]

Agree with everything and the at most 7-B+ rating for America

 

[Popted2]

agree with everything

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

While admittedly I'm not well versed on What If stuff, the OP does make sense to me.

Also agree with America having an "at most" rating.

 

[Lonkitt]

which would scale to the Sacred Timeline variant, would have the same durability.

My only issue here is that would then scale to The Lizard

 

[RoTt35]

My only issue here is that would then scale to The Lizard

Strange used the Protection Spell against the Lizard?

 

[Lonkitt]

OHHHH WAIT. My bad, I misread that for a moment. Nah, Lizard didn't attack him during a Protection Spell

The durability upgrades for the shields should be fine

 

[RoTt35]

The durability upgrades for the shields should be fine

I don't think it would scale to the shields, his durability would be: 9-C/9-B/8-C physically, 7-B with Tao Mandalas, at least 7-B, likely 6-B with the Protection Spell via Preparation

 

[Lonkitt]

I don't think it would scale to the shields, his durability would be: 9-C/9-B/8-C physically, 7-B with Tao Mandalas, at least 7-B, likely 6-B with the Protection Spell via Preparation

Thats what I said. I said I made a mistake and Lizard doesn't scale to the shields

 

[Propellus]

7-B Spidies is definitely a huge outlier

 

[Lonkitt]

7-B Spidies is definitely a huge outlier

Again, I wanna clarify. I made a mistake when reading the OP. Lizard didn't attack during the Protection Spells and I accidentally thought the OP said 7-B would scale to base physicals

 

[Propellus]

Again, I wanna clarify. I made a mistake when reading the OP. Lizard didn't attack during the Protection Spells and I accidentally thought the OP said 7-B would scale to base physicals

Ah, alright then

 

[Lonkitt]

Yeah, sorry. Didn't mean to veer off course

Regarding America, I don't think she should scale to Wanda given the latter smirked them off

 

[Propellus]

Regarding America, I don't think she should scale to Wanda given the latter smirked them off

That's what I've been saying, All Wanda did was smirk off her blows like they were a joke

 

[RoTt35]

Thats what I said. I said I made a mistake and Lizard doesn't scale to the shields

Yeah, I meant that I don't think the durability of the Protection Spell would also scale to the magical shields (Tao Mandalas)

Anyways, if Acausality for DSS is fine, what type would it be?

 

[Qawsedf234]

I get the physical upgrades (barring America) but I don't think Strange Supreme is Acasual at a base. If anything, messing with an Absolute Point and not being effected seems like the Time Stone thing since he still required that to do anything.

Though if I were to be direct, Strange doesn't scale to Strange Supreme's AP. His thing was an defense spell which would have nothing to do with AP. Scarlet Witch was also struggling with breaking through the barrier until she used her powers, so I feel its weird if we scale her base to that level rather than just assume she used witch magic.

 

[RoTt35]

I get the physical upgrades (barring America) but I don't think Strange Supreme is Acasual at a base. If anything, messing with an Absolute Point and not being effected seems like the Time Stone thing since he still required that to do anything.

His counterpart didn't have the Eye of Agamotto and was still unaffected by the timeline being dissolved, which was erasing everything and everyone else

Though if I were to be direct, Strange might not scale to Strange Supreme's AP. His thing was an defense spell which would have nothing to do with AP.

Strange's AP won't scale to DSS physicals, just the durability of the Protection Spell, though it's able to also amp AP and speed as shown with the Guardians of the Multiverse

 

[Qawsedf234]

His counterpart didn't have the Eye of Agamotto and was still unaffected by the timeline being dissolved, which was erasing everything and everyone else

Because they were connected to each other through the timeline split. It's why Strange Supreme was gunning for him and why Wong said only strange can stop his other.

though it's able to also amp AP and speed as shown with the Guardians of the Multiverse

While true, Strange Supreme is also notably superior to his other counterparts. So trying to back scale others to his spells seem suspect.

 

[RoTt35]

Because they were connected to each other through the timeline split. It's why Strange Supreme was gunning for him and why Wong said only strange can stop his other.

So the Eye of Agamotto would have Acausality?

While true, Strange Supreme is also notably superior to his other counterparts. So trying to back scale others to his spells seem suspect.

Yeah, that's why Strange would just scale to the Protection Spell of the good counterpart which withstood blows and magic from DSS

 

[Qawsedf234]

So the Eye of Agamotto would have Acausality?

Yeah, I think this is more a Time Stone thing than a Strange thing. Though like, it's only a paradox immunity thing and nothing else.

Yeah, that's why Strange would just scale to the Protection Spell of the good counterpart which withstood blows and magic from DSS

My point was more along the lines that the special protection spell that Wong and Strange Supreme do seem like they require prep for it to work. While Strange scales I don't know if all magic scales.

 

[RoTt35]

Yeah, I think this is more a Time Stone thing than a Strange thing. Though like, it's only a paradox immunity thing and nothing else.

So shouldn't the users of the Eye of Agamotto also have Acausality? Would that be Type 1 right?

My point was more along the lines that the special protection spell that Wong and Strange Supreme do seem like they require prep for it to work. While Strange scales I don't know if all magic scales.

Yeah, Strange durability would be like this:

9-C/9-B/8-C physically, 7-B with Tao Mandalas, at least 7-B, likely 6-B with the Protection Spell via Preparation

 

[Qawsedf234]

So shouldn't the users of the Eye of Agamotto also have Acausality? Would that be Type 1 right?

Yeah

 

[Lacku]

Scarlet Witch was also struggling with breaking through the barrier until she used her powers, so I feel its weird if we scale her base to that level rather than just assume she used witch magic.

This is just straight-up not true, if you watch the clip what's keeping her trapped in the Tao Mandala sphere are the Souls of the Damned who are absorbing her Chaos Magic and holding her in, if it wasn't for them she would've broken out immediately. Even if she was struggling to make it out of the sphere on her own anyways she still broke through it physically with her hand so she still scales to 7-B+.

 

[RoTt35]

The 48 hours have already passed so I'll start applying the changes, I'll just need Thanos' profile unlocked

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

The 48 hours have already passed so I'll start applying the changes, I'll just need Thanos' profile unlocked

I have unlocked it

 

[RoTt35]

I'm done with all the edits, Thanos' profile can be locked again and the thread can be closed now

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Since Thanos' profile got locked, closing.