Fate Manipulation and Precognition Manipulation don't imply Acasuality. Some types of Acasuality can give those though.
Demon Power isn't Cause and Effect? Literally where did you pull this out of? Cause and Effect was never never been mentioned in DMC so I'm not sure why you feel the need to insert false information.
Read each and every quote in that video.
This video gives crystal clear evidence that its the entire room which binds you, your soul is registered the moment you step there...and the only way to proceed is playing the game to its completion. Either die or win are the only two options to escape it. That or you are stuck there permanantly with thumb up your ass.
It isn't the dice that binds you but the room as a whole.
Nero is forced to play this two times in entire game, M06 and M19.
And technically its not Nero but all the demons in it are bound to it too...each slot on the board creates a dimensions for Nero to fight in and it recreates the entire battles from the past. Dead Bosses like Berial, Echidna etc are braught back to life just to impede Nero's progress, even they are affected. Entire atmosphere is recreated , from the time of the day to the specific locations intact as they were in the past.
Anyone who has experience playing dice based board games( almost everyone has played of course, if you haven't well shoo shoo then go play one) you know how the deal is....
Lets take Snake and Ladders as example....
The only way to make positive progress forwards is to toss the dice and move accordingly, whether that brings you misfortune or fortune comes later...
If you refuse to play the dice then your familiar on the board remains stagnant on the slot. The dice is just an instrument of progression....
If you have ever had a salty bratty little sibling whom you may have played the game with(speaking from experience here), and they throw or destroy or hide the dice then the game cannot continue, you are at an impasse....your avatar is stuck there....then you have to spend hrs convincing your sibling to give back the dice, or get a new one or go search for it yourself.....and only then you can continue playing.
But imagine having a player who registers his avatar on the board but gets rid of the dice and proceeds to win the game by just moving the avatar to its win position and get off scot free without consequences.
You know who does that in DMC4...yeah thats pretty blatant fate manip resistance.
that doesn't matter, Virgil's Dark-Slayer style is still just that, Dark-Slayer style which Dante has more than enough experience against. Dante fought Virgil before and knows all his moves, so this isn't a feat of Prediction whenever Character A already knows all of characters B's move prior.
Dante never predicted Gil, it was Gil who predicted Dante's attack patterns and Dante just spotted an opening in his stance. Noticing an opening isn't the same as predicting an attack before it even occurs.
Nothing I said is RVR worthy so calm yourself child, preferably don't come into my thread telling me that I'm acting condescending whilst acting incredibly condescending yourself.
Thats false, the curren manga shows dante and vergil fighting with wooden swords, Dante never saw Vergil fighting with yamato till he encounters gilver, both dante and gilver on missions never showed their true extension of skills and power, yet both already analized eachother on the fly just by looking.
Yeah i can, i just need time to get the scans again.
You can use wooden swords and still utilize the same old style. Dark-Slayer style is a style consisting of quick chain based attacks and swiftness.
Dante fought Vergil with Yamato back when they were younger. This is in reference to the two brothers reading each other in DMC5, not the Gil feat.
Expect Dante never analyzed Gilver, it was Gilver who was analyzing and predicting Dante. Dante never once predicting an incoming attack before it happens, again he noticed an opening in his stance, which is enhanced senses, not Prediction.
Good thing analyzing an enemy isn't a form of Prediction but rather Extrasensory Perception. Also Citations for this?
This tells me almost nothing.
Which is a skill feat, not Vergil predicting on coming attacks before they actually happen.
Nero didn't have access to Yamato the first time (he meets Agnus and gets Yamato later) and we've never seen Nero use Yamato's dura neg before so you can't really argue that.
Does not really matter Yamato or not a block of steel should be but a mere toy to guy of his power....pun intended.
No they're not. That's straight up cap.
Who said the dice is just a block of steel? It's a demonic dice, its durability is unknown.
Dante straight up one-shot it, unless I'm getting something wrong Vergil is comparable to Dante and thus should be able to one-shot it himself, the first video has Vergil playing the dice game, the second video has Dante going "heh" and cutting the damn thing in half after running up to it. (I will debate on something that ive seen in the thread, but my knowledge on DMC is limited to marathoning the game movies a year ago)
Reread the description for Yamato. If you think it doesn't cut through shit then what you're talking about is game mechanics.
Eyo fam, it's not vergil it's nero. And nero is in no way comparable to Dante.
Never said that. I just said it's not passive.
Oh, look at that, you are wrong again. I'm honestly not surprised anymore.
Hey, that's a low blow >:'VBut it couldn't cut through Kalina ann, checkmate liberals
Lady is a chad, her chadness negates Vergil non existent virginity back into existence
I'll point out that any Vergil gameplay you see in DMC4 is not canon in any way, shape or form, he is just there because the devs are lazy
I still find it simultaneously obvious and incredible that vergil got it before Dante ever could
More vergil is better than less vergil
I still belive that he did get it off during his time as Enzo partner
True, Vergil = sales
Ok so to "debunk" me saying "Nero has never shown the capabilities", you bring me quotes that say "yamato can cut through anything". Well yes, it "can", cus it can cut through dimensions too. Doesn't mean it does that by default otherwise cases like the infamous Calina Ann scene or Dante and Jester blocking it with their hands wouldn't exist.
Bruh, your rebuttal is a legit outlier full of PIS for Lady and Arkham catching said sword from the sides. Dante never stopped the blade with his hands IIRC.
Your argument relies on calling 2 cases outliers whereas mine answers both of them. Need i remind you you don't say "outliers" if there are other explanations. Outlier and PIS are the last resort, it's only if it makes no sense no matter how you take it.
Again, wrong. Dante in DMC3 1st fight with vergil after being beaten down manages to stop Vergil's sword with his bare hand without the sword straight up cutting his hand otherwise. Even though in other cases yamato has been very easily capable of cutting him. And the random edge quote means nothing when the sword is clearly stated to be magical.
I'm really trying to make sense of this reply and I'm having troubles trying to comprehend the logic that's used here. Demonic Energy is in no way intertwined with Causality, Demons don't Fate hax one another so I don't see the point of the Beasthead example, The Beasthead's don't even have Fate Manipulation for starters.
1) lady is the only outlier, jester clearly catches the sword from the sides. 1 typo doesn't suddenly destroy my argument, specially when you know Exactly what I mean.
Because demons, all of them work under the same system, same rules, same laws, being able to affect each other is only natural, if you can't comprehend that make a separate thread so you can get more responses.
Again, relying on outliers. And you don't stop with friction a blade that can cut through space, if space itself cannot stop it, how can friction do that?
You're the one calling things you like PIS/Outliers with no good reason.
So....you're giving a dude that gets cut by Yamato all the time resistance because.....he sometimes doesn't get cut. The reasoning is fun ngl.
Dude, when Vergil cut his hand. Come on, the infamous regeneration feat of regenerating his hand as the blade goes through it.
It doesn't debunk it, it just puts the magic stuff in their rightful place, in the "magical applications".
An edge can never be sharp enough to cut space or dimensions either. What's your point?
Yet clearly not every random swing of Yamato is a judgement cut and not every flick of the wrist creates a portal to the demon world. Despite it, according to you, supposedly being a passive effect that happens all the time.
Expect Demons don't run around Fate haxing one another or use Causality to manipulate one another, which is my point here. There are no references to Causality, which is required for Type 4.
That part i understand, its the Demon Power = Causality that I'm lost on.
Could I see a scan for this?
It's literally the same logic. The dimension cutting is also said to come from the edge itself.
