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Ok, but why would be law hax instead of fate hax?
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DMC - Serious hax downgrade.
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Pretty much..... especially since fate is mentioned atleast 2 times in the statements.
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@ZephyrosOmega the game's description flat out says it binds your fates and can manipulate your fate in the game like 2-3 times in the game.
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Also fatehax of the game as a whole still remains.(board specifically)
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I see.
My line of thinking was that "okay forcing you to follow game rules = law hax", but if the fate statements are there then that's different
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@Firephoenixearl @LordGinSama
I want one simple question answered...
1) When does the Fate hax start ??
After this question is answered and depending on answer, I will explain next part.
I want one simple question answered...
1) When does the Fate hax start ??
After this question is answered and depending on answer, I will explain next part.
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Yeah no, I'm not seeing any of that happening at all. Now what I am seeing is the blade dancing around the demon a plethora of times, Vergil slashes downwards and then the Demon explodes.
Even slowing down the video to the absolute slowest goes against any notion that it was slashed into bits. The Demon blew up, which is a common effect whenever Demons die.
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@ZephyrosOmega here, here and here (second link they skip the lines so you need to pause to get the dialogue)
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@LordGinSama the demon also slides apart in half before his chunks fall off the building, that happens before the demon falls apart.
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How is this going besides earl stupid arguments against yamato?
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Please
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Be patient like seriously.
And the room is never stated to be the reason for the fate hax, unlike the die which are stated several times to be the source of the Fate Hax.
Which means nothing considering Vergil's blade was dancing all over him, and he explodes he doesn't fall into bits and pieces.
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We are moving to the dice game now.
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I am exasperated now.....oh boy....
Lets not jump to conclusions, I will not say you are wrong or right.
All I am requesting is to restart our arguements over Dice Game.
Lets analyse the entire sequence frame by frame chronologically.
So thats why I asked you to answer my question.
So we cool??
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A portal to another space and time but it is still physical. Enough force will break it, unless you're arguing nothing short of dura neg can break it but that will need a whole new argument.
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About Arkham catching the Yamato, I think thats how proper way to catch Katana.
Sam did the same thing in MGR which using bare hand to catch Raiden HF blade but the way he catch its same as Arkham.
Sam did the same thing in MGR which using bare hand to catch Raiden HF blade but the way he catch its same as Arkham.
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Agree FRA
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They're being debated lol
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I agree with the removal of acausality type 4 mostly
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It's still being debated
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We are waiting for Staff specialized in Acausality shenarigans to see if DMC fit the requeriments or not.
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There are antifeats with low tier demons getting affected by time shenanigans, due to the existance of Dante's Quicksilver Style, and Nero's Ragtime Devil Breaker by the way.
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I mean there's a reason we got AKM in here.
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Why would that be anti-feats for the demons? Acausality Type 4 means you operate in your own time scale, not that you become completely immune to time shenanigans, even in DMC2 Dante and Lucia can stop time from demons with Chrono heart and that don't debunk demons having resistance to space-time and time stop in the game from the Demon World Energy.
Pretty sure Wokistan and Antoniofer are the Acausality experts here in VS, anyway, we are just waiting for than, at this point, than will say if DMC fits the page or not. And we are still wainting to AKM to respond to Glass argument about some verses don't needing causality statements to get Acausality Type 4 in their profiles.
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I don't mind having them in but who said they're the experts? They were there when acausality was revised sure but a lot people were so idk if "expert" is the right term. They do have generally good judgement though, Toni in particular.
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Because one of the evidences presented is that the Demon World has areas with sped-up time and slowed-down time, with implication that the nature of demons allows them to live normally.
Well, they can't resist Ragtime's slow-down bubble, so I guess they'll get affected by the Demon World's time shenanigans like humans and flowers do.
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This was already discussed in the upgrade thread extensively. DE =/= DWE.
Quicksilver, Chronoheart, Bangle of Time, Judgement, Key of Chronus... all of them are specialsed techniques/instruments to manipulate time.
Quicksilver comes from Geryon a demon who specialises in time manip.
Chronoheart comes from Heart of a God who mnaipulates time.
Bangle of Time is well Bangle of Time...
Judgement is a uber special move for SDT Dante....
Key of Chronus is created by Agnus who created Saviour and Dice Games, so you can tell why its not surprising for it to bypass resistances.
If all of these things would have had same potency as DWE there would be nothing special about them at all and would be literally quite useless.
Haxxes and resistances can have layers of potency.
If a separate ability has shown ability to overcome resistances of target then that is a very excellent feat for the said Ability rather than a antifeat for the target.
If we use such flawed logic as you suggested I doubt any layered hax and resistance would survive on the wiki, lots of profiles would need to be downgraded then.
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To name some profiles that would be downgraded: Magnus the Red, Ainz Ooal Gown, Void Entity, Rimuru Tempest, Oryx the Taken King, do i NEED to keep going?
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As far as Acausality is concerned , lets get over the Dice Game first and foremost.
I have yet to reveal some new info on Acausality, we can discuss it after that.
I have yet to reveal some new info on Acausality, we can discuss it after that.
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I don’t necessarily see how that’s flawed logic. You can have type 4 acausality and still be affected by time manipulation and such, all it is is just a different system.
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All to no avail btw. As none of you had a good argument for it when i brought it up in the Q&A and a bunch of you conceded.
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Also just to point out that layered hax is only in cases where the evidence is as solid as it can get without room for other interpretations. It suffers from the "burden of proof" basically, unless the argument for it heavily outweighs anything else it's not the default assumption.
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You deserve to be in jail for that pun.
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Finally, something we both can agree on.
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Oh please, I yamato believe it!
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What is DE and DWE?
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DE is demon energy or demon power as it's often refered to
DWE is the demon worlds energy.
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DE is 3D , DWE is 4D
Them having some similarities isn't prerequisite for being "same thing"...
Not at all.
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