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Divine Dimensionnal Dance: Shinza Bansho Gods downgrade

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sanicspood said:
Time and space existing for 1-A how may I ask? This website for some reason doesn't think transcending time and space is close to 1-A yet 1-As can be contained in it?
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Time and space are relative. What matters is the size of the cosmology.
Cosmology A can have a time analogue in a high 1-A realm, while cosmology B can have "concepts" in a 1-C realm
 
I don’t remember where but I do remember Yakous barrier being decided it was legit Higher D but its been awhile so I cant remember where.

I know Yakou can use the Throne or something to also block attacks but I dont think its this one.
 
sanicspood said:
There are literal statements of them being above all concepts which would include the concept of dimensionality since dimensionality is a concept. By transcending the concept of something you're transcending the nature of it. Possible extensions of dimensions would fall under the nature of dimensionality still
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not now, i mean your not the first to try to do that you know...

i litteraly tell you how thing work now, you can make a crt if your not okay
 
InfiniteDay said:
Thank you. Now can both arguments summarize current points?
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Alright. So in conclusion I proved that Briah degree > the law of the old world > all concepts fundamental for existence Which dimensions, space, and time are concepts. Putting Briah's above dimensions conceptually I think I was able to disprove the higher dimensional statements by showing that dimensions in Masadaverse aren't inherently limited to physical dimensions. Most statements for dimensions are so out of context. I'm not sure if people are misinterpreting what's going on or if they're intellectually dishonest.
 
sanicspood said:
Alright. So in conclusion I proved that Briah degree > the law of the old world > all concepts fundamental for existence Which dimensions, space, and time are concepts. Putting Briah's above dimensions conceptually I think I was able to disprove the higher dimensional statements by showing that dimensions in Masadaverse aren't inherently limited to physical dimensions. Most statements for dimensions are so out of context. I'm not sure if people are misinterpreting what's going on or if they're intellectually dishonest.
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What's your proof exactly?
 
InfiniteDay said:
What's your proof exactly?
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I sent links to the scans before. Yall can just scroll up. But if you're feeling a bit lazy I can just tell you the instances. So I basically showed the scans of Rea route when Isaak entered reality which basically explains the law of the old world holds all concepts in creation. I showed the explanation of Briah in Kaziklu Bey where it states Briah worlds are unbound by this law. I showed the scan of a side story of Dies Irae that states Reinhard's castle is a singularity in the law of the old world and a scan of Marie route saying that Reinhard's castle is his Briah which proves Briahs above all concepts consistent. I showed the scan of the common route of dies Irae saying that Marie existed outside all concepts from the singularity. This is all just Briah. And Taikyoku being above Briah was established
 
sanicspood said:
It is true what you said about Taikyoku being a law that is not related to physical laws does not necessarily grant a 1-A rating. However there are many more reasons why Taiji should be 1-A First off, you have established that Briah is just a nerfed Atziluth Reinhard's briah (his castle) is a singularity in the law of foreknowledge

This is important because this would support this statement of Briah saying the laws of the old world hold no water in that world This same law has domain overall concepts in creation

This is referring to the law of the old world because in this scene they also were talking about how the law of the old world is oppressing creation and how they're going to emanate over it.
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It's your usual Law rewriting I was talking about in the OP actually.
sanicspood said:
Marie existed outside all concepts from the singularity (Reinhard's briah is considered a singularity like I addressed earlier)
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Because of her being a Gudou. Also being outside isn't enough for anything, since it's just Gudou being their own isolated universe as explained in the info logs.
sanicspood said:
One of the definitions for higher dimensions is "a level of existence or consciousness" And the reason why this applies over any other definition for dimensions is, by the way, it's used. One of your scans says "concept from a higher dimension" as we know concepts are abstract things that wouldn't have any physical properties which spatial dimensionality is a physical property. (Also Wilhelm's Briah literally was able to erase the concept of space in his battle with Schreiber...just saying)
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There's something called scale tho. It's just the concepts being on different scale.
sanicspood said:
The statements of Yakou making dimensional dislocations and stuff like this more like reality warping in the area they're in
Any higher dimensional statement would just translate to higher existence.
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We already acknowledge it as higher dimensions since a long time.
And what's used is clearly the idea of dimensions in the scans; otherwise it wouldn't be so frequent.
 
sanicspood said:
I sent links to the scans before. Yall can just scroll up. But if you're feeling a bit lazy I can just tell you the instances. So I basically showed the scans of Rea route when Isaak entered reality which basically explains the law of the old world holds all concepts in creation. I showed the explanation of Briah in Kaziklu Bey where it states Briah worlds are unbound by this law. I showed the scan of a side story of Dies Irae that states Reinhard's castle is a singularity in the law of the old world and a scan of Marie route saying that Reinhard's castle is his Briah which proves Briahs above all concepts consistent. I showed the scan of the common route of dies Irae saying that Marie existed outside all concepts from the singularity. This is all just Briah. And Taikyoku being above Briah was established
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So, your arguing off of concepts being tiered? Ya no.
 
sanicspood said:
Also the dimensional statements are meaningless for a debunk because dimensions don't always mean a geometric one or whatever. It can mean planes of existence too.
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You have to prove it is the way you think it is, because here context clearly is for higher dimensions the way we know them.
 
YuriAkuto said:
You have to prove it is the way you think it is, because here context clearly is for higher dimensions the way we know them.
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I already gave a reason on why the definition I'm using should be over any other definition. Scroll up if you didn't read it
 
sanicspood said:
I already gave a reason on why the definition I'm using should be over any other definition. Scroll up if you didn't read it
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I read everything you sent so far, and don't see how it contradict the scans in the OP who clearly goes in a certain way.

K3 just uses "heavens" and suchlike when it just want to say plane of existence.
 
Ugh... even after slogging through this thread, there's too much nonsense for me to retain the information, but as of now, I am inclined to agree with the downgrade. However, I can concede to 1-A still being valid if someone presents explicit scans of these "higher dimensions" being metaphorical and not literally referring to higher-dimensional physical space, and if there are also scans that Gods "transcend all dimensions" in a way that means exceeding any possible dimensional space, i.e., even if there were an infinite number of dimensions, it would be insignificant from the Gods' perspective.

The problem here is that no one wants to provide such evidence. Instead, everyone wants to fling shit at each other and make claims without backing them up - or even worse, say things that have nothing to do with this revision whatsoever. Seriously, this happens nearly every time anything involving high tiers comes up, and it honestly makes this site increasingly less enjoyable not only for me, but for many of our longtime users and staff. This sort of drama happening at all, let alone with the frequency that it has nowadays, is how we got that exodus of people retiring from the wiki a short while ago, and it is also a quick and easy way to get banned.

TL;DR: Everyone calm the hell down, maybe step away from this thread for a few minutes to do so, and then come back with the intent to have a reasonable debate. This is not productive in any sense of the word.
 
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Honestly, that whole conversation contributed nothing since they weren’t arguing against the OP or anything in the thread just against the tiering system. Just messed up how the thread was going, and I’ve just been reading it.
 
KingPin0422 said:
The problem here is that no one wants to provide such evidence. Instead, everyone wants to fling shit at each other and make claims without backing them up - or even worse, say things that have nothing to do with this revision whatsoever. Seriously, this happens nearly every time anything involving high tiers comes up, and it honestly makes this site increasingly less enjoyable not only for me, but for many of our longtime users and staff. This sort of drama happening at all, let alone with the frequency that it has nowadays, is how we got that exodus of people retiring from the wiki a short while ago, and it is also a quick and easy way to get banned.

TL;DR: Everyone calm the hell down, maybe step away from this thread for a few minutes to do so, and then come back with the intent to have a reasonable debate. This is not productive in any sense of the word.
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I fully agree on this.

We're civilised enough to debate properly.

Fighting scans with scans and using them for arguments/counter-arguments while remaining calm and respectful with each others should be something natural.

No need to call each others names, be rude or derail every 5 seconds because it isn't about a verse below tier 2.
 
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Ogbunabali said:
Can someone summarise the points from both sides? Going through this thread is kind of a mess.
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Despite reading through the entire thread, as an outsider looking in, I cannot in good faith give my opinion until both parties have had their whole debate and have had their arguments summarized in a easier to digest manner. I don't want to risk giving an even more uneducated opinion as I would without this, as it would be dishonest of me.
 
Antvasima said:
Would you be willing to help evaluate this please?
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Well from what I gathered the only side that has made any coherent argument is the downgrade side and everything I've seen only points to some form of 1-B rather than any 1-A rating.
 
Ogbunabali said:
Can someone summarise the points from both sides? Going through this thread is kind of a mess.
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Basically still what's in the OP for the downgrade

And against it the only counter-arguments with scans so far are:

Sleepybubble bringing scans of Morei fight having her weakened, which I answered by the fact that one was a different fight while the other arrive after the Morei scene I'm using

Redgrave saying that "near infinite laws" was wrong; by bringing the japanese quote which actually sauy so

And sanic stuff, which gave a huge derailment and just ended up being against the Tiering System more than anything (also with his scans only being law rewriting and Gudou gods as their own universe).

Tho I may have missed something with all these derailing, so don't hesitate to correct me if I missed another comment with scans and all.
 
YuriAkuto said:
Basically still what's in the OP for the downgrade

And against it the only counter-arguments with scans so far are:

Sleepybubble bringing scans of Morei fight having her weakened, which I answered by the fact that one was a different fight while the other arrive after the Morei scene I'm using

Redgrave saying that "near infinite laws" was wrong; by bringing the japanese quote which actually sauy so

And sanic stuff, which gave a huge derailment and just ended up being against the Tiering System more than anything (also with his scans only being law rewriting and Gudou gods as their own universe).

Tho I may have missed something with all these derailing, so don't hesitate to correct me if I missed another comment with scans and all.
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I can understand. Thanks for finally answering summarizing. Leaning to agreeing, but i'm still waiting for a miracle, cus this thread is based.
 
 
272 replies and I think roughly 10 are relevant to the OP and verse scaling., this thread is such a mess it should be closed and restarted (maybe as a staff only thread), otherwise I fear nothing productive will happen from this CRT.
 
Ngl... these last two threads have made me realise something that ive kinda ignored until now, or at least denied even after Warren mentioned it.

Might make a thread about it tomorrow.
 
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