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Tbf 1-B isn’t exactly bad.
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Divine Dimensionnal Dance: Shinza Bansho Gods downgrade
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Yes, though more than just the tier.
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Yeah, it's definitley depressing how far they went down, but it's still some impressive smurf f!ckery
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@Ned_the_outer_god and @Arcker123
Please keep the derailing comments to a minimum. I'm sure quite a few other staff complained about the thread being a hassle to read through and incoherent.
Please keep the derailing comments to a minimum. I'm sure quite a few other staff complained about the thread being a hassle to read through and incoherent.
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Anyway my thing I mentioned can be discussed in DM, although im hesitant to reveal a while lot.
Ill maybe post it tomorrow but ill stop discussing it here due to derailment.
Ill maybe post it tomorrow but ill stop discussing it here due to derailment.
PrinceofPein
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I am not sure about taking explanation of the narrator using "higher - dimension" to mean the gods have dimensions.I mean all concepts (including dimension) is literally within the throne and originates from the throne, same throne the gods can destroy on a whim. I mean the reason for the throne is to sustain the weight of the gods so they dont crush the rest of creation with their weight.
I dont really like having messy arguments, but i just dont get the taking of one part while neglecting the rest.
Would like for the people supporting the OP to explain how the throne something that is supposedly the source of the concept of dimensions in shinza has dimensions?? Or you think expanding the concept that originated from the throne means you can reach the said throne?
And you also took the hyperdimensional throne out of context, (hyper is also a synonym for above, beyond whatever you want to say).
Anyway I disagree
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PrinceofPein
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Okayy I will try to get them
PrinceofPein
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Taikyoku--Origin of all things in Onmyoudou (Way of Yin and Yang), concept pointing to the nucleus of the universe.
(Literally means taikyoku is the source of everything)
To draw power and grasp the knowledge of everything, the source of all phenomena and the origin of all things. To see all and do all.
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1-B is still pretty OP tho?
Also look at the good side, now shinza can have more reasonable matches instead of the usual 1A BS where each side just brag about measurement contest
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Neutral for now, derail and nonsense aside both parties given a pretty good counter arguments so i can't dcide which i agreed/disagreed for now
And here i'm hoping for lower tiers shinza to get more freedom and reasonable matches because damn the haxes limited their match-up
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I disagree with the downgrade but I'll point out some context to contribute to this thread.
あい さくた "神は世界の法と概念の外に存在し、それらに従わない。それ
"God exists outside the laws and concepts of the world and does not obey them."
I also found some context
"These Hadō gods are not only beyond the concept of Dimensions, but they are completely boundless to everything that exist including Binary Opposition, Concepts, Space-Time, Reality and so on."
あい さくた "神は世界の法と概念の外に存在し、それらに従わない。それ
"God exists outside the laws and concepts of the world and does not obey them."
I also found some context
"These Hadō gods are not only beyond the concept of Dimensions, but they are completely boundless to everything that exist including Binary Opposition, Concepts, Space-Time, Reality and so on."
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Just being the origin of everything isn't enough tho. I mean, Arceus would be 1-A otherwise.
The OP of the upgrade thread acknowledged that himself too.
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If you don't mind, I would be interrested to hear your thing in DM, since I intend to do more Shinza-related stuff than just this.
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Exist outside the world's law
About the Hadou Gods being beyond dimensions and etc.
大極を持つ神は、次元、物理学、時空などを含むすべての概念と現象の源であり、それを超えています
God with Taikyoku is the source and beyond of all concepts and, Phenomenon which includes dimensions, physics, space-time, etc.
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The first one is pretty known. Gods are their own world with their own laws (which we put as type 5 Accausality for some reason but this is a debate for another thread)
Second is pretty odd since it's directly contradicted by feat. Especially space-time when we have things like getting paradoxed or the Twilight Beach being a "temporal plane".
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Anyways if this downgrade gets approved then Senshinkan 1-A cuz they view shinza as fiction
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Never said it was enough I said you are ignoring it.
And I dont know who arceus is or his context but the context of shinza is that taikyoku is the source of even the concept of dimensions, literally means superior to it in every form
Sorry I said throne, I meant taikyoku
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How am I ignoring something I acknowledge already?
Also being the source of something doesn't make you beyond its every form. Otherwise a lot of demiurge would be 1-A.
You said Taikyoku. What I meant is that the Throne has the same statements about it, despite obviously not be the source of everything.
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I'm checking through K3's files to bring the greater context here (since your quote isn't all of any of the two pictures to begin with); but didn't find it yet.
PrinceofPein
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What do you mean by the twilight beach is a temporal plane?
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PrinceofPein
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Like I said I don't care about other verses, and really dont know about them.
What I said is how taikyoku is not above dimensions if its supposed to be the source of dimensions?
Okay how does that change the fact that taikyoku is the source of everything?
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Is this quote from within the story?
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Yeah from K3
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Maybe I ask where this 大極を持つ神は、次元、物理学、時空などを含むすべての概念と現象の源であり、それを超えています comes from? Not from the scans you posted as far as I see; and I don't find it in K3 txt files either.
PrinceofPein
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Can you share me the K3 text files?
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Because creating something doesn't mean you have an 1-A transcendance over them. If you ignore the fact that it never was a criteria of 1-A for any verses it'll go nowhere.
Besides the iteration thing was a side note, the fact is that it doesn't matter much for 1-A transcendance.
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Sure, will send it in DM in a bit.
PrinceofPein
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Okay to better see how I can reply, your argument is that
1. even though the taikyoku is the source of dimensionality in the verse, it does not transcends the said that dimensions?
2. The throne been a place beyond-dimensions is also wrong?
Sorry just trying to find what you are saying dont want to have a messy argument, so please is this the argument?
PrinceofPein
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Thanks
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Your two questions are already answered in the OP tbh. The section before me explaining and presenting feats showing dimensions sure affect the Gods.
Darksmash
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Send it to me too, pls
Darksmash
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I suspect it could be from some guide book or wiki
PrinceofPein
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No not exactly.
I mean the throne space stated to be beyond dimensions should actually count as a 1A structure the reason why it is not was never answered in the OP
Tbh I am confused as why the throne being above D structures and the taikyoku being above all things is not a 1A structure.
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It's litteraly answered in the OP. Second point before the one with feats of being affected by dimensions.
Because Hyperdimensional/Cho Jigen/超次元 just mean something above 3D, not above any possible dimensionnal structures (especially when it's origin is some sort of space-time accident).
Taiji being above everything (besides your quote origin being a full unknown) also isn't enough for 1-A. Even more with the evidences in the OP proving Taiji is related and affected by dimensional stuff.
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Wait I'm still asking for the Taiji scans but i do have another context saying Gods isnt tied to concepts of dimensions.
Scan
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... It's litteraly a poor edit with a picture of Habaki in the background.
I don't want to judge or anything but c'mon.
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