Devil May Cry: Abilities removal

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Some feats from the novels (secondary canon) in the Demon physiology page contradict the games and anime (primary canon).
Note: I consider the anime to be superior canon to the novels because it is mentioned in DMC5's "History of DMC" recap

"Superhuman Physical Characteristics: Even the most simple type of demon is easily capable of tearing humans apart, cutting them in half with a single blow, and posing a threat to entire sections of a city. Demons are also confirmed to be impervious to all man-made weapons in existence.[21]"

The latter statement is contradicted several times in the games (DMC3, DMC4, DMC5) and anime when Lady kills demons with normal weapons. Lady is not a demon, she cannot use demonic energy to amp up the power of her weapons, she kills demons with normal bullets.
Also Nico hurt a demon with a simple cigar ( 1:58)

"Empathic Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (Type 2 & 3), and Aura: The mere presence of demons causes despair, fear and insanity,[46][47][48] Victims can go insane with the mere sight or even immediate and impending knowledge that demons can arrive. Victims affected like this are very prone to hurting themselves and even killing themselves."

This is again contradicted several times in the games and anime. Lady, Nico and Kyrie ( 15:32) have already been in the presence of demons several times in the games and they have never been affected by fear/emphatic/madness. In the anime we see several times humans not being affected either, like here ( 12:00, 18:00), here ( 13:30), here (https://youtu.be/2TxQ_7Mupnc?si=xhhtXhtOOZ8OxjRm 18:00), here (https://youtu.be/FG3t405fm44?si=gOr3ataeFWHd643d 19:22) and here (https://youtu.be/SdcLFDF77yM?si=Un8_qDorIMzq3z7J 19:08)


"Poison Manipulation and Acid Manipulation: (Capable of resisting different types of poison and acids numerous times throughout their life, like when Dante was unaffected by the demon monkey's poisonous blood, which was poisonous enough to dissolve his own body,[140] They are also shown to be unaffected when Beelzebub spat out poison on him[141] or when they are unaffected by the Nobody's poisonous bodies when they die and explode into pieces[138] and also when they are unaffected by Chaos's neurotoxin sacs inside his chest, which he spits on his enemies[142])"

Ok here the feats do not come from the novels (except the first) but from the games, but they are just descriptions/bios which say that these demons have poison and acid manip. We do not see Dante resisting it and there is no statements that say that Dante resist it (the descriptions even make it clear the opposite and warn Dante). The anime confirms that Dante is not resistant to acid because he protects himself against it and dodges it multiples times (https://youtu.be/hEcsMXRH6ho?si=YqHG5cchU-DjnPG3 18:11)


"Probability Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation and Death Manipulation: (Dante is unable to be cursed by the Poker Demon's ability, which gives incredible luck in probability-based games, however, they become engrained with greed and a sick sense of wanting to play more and more. This effect goes as far as changing reality. When the main user of this effect loses in a game of chance, they instantly die without a seemingly physical cause, this also happens to the ones the main user is playing against if they happen to lose. Dante can stop Patty whom got possessed when they were playing a game of "who dies first". Dante is also able to let himself be shot and lose the game in purpose, letting himself win. When Dante loses to Lady, he doesn't outright die, he just pretends he's dead)"

Dante literally says the artifact's magic worked on him (https://youtu.be/FG3t405fm44?si=7DY4h0-t7ruQi3IQ 19:35, 20:20).
Dante was mind controlled and won the poker game because he was affected by the supernatural luck of the artifact, and he is not dead because he won the poker game (only those who lose against the owner of the artifact die).
There is no resistance for Dante here.

 

[Hasty12345]

Agree

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Agree

 

[chosen]

Some feats from the novels (secondary canon) in the Demon physiology page contradict the games and anime (primary canon).

Why would novel be secondary Canon. Author just say it's Canon, no secondary or anything. https://archive.org/details/psm-085-2004/page/n37/mode/2up magazine even says dmc3 is between novel 1 and dmc1.

Superhuman Physical Characteristics: Even the most simple type of demon is easily capable of tearing humans apart, cutting them in half with a single blow, and posing a threat to entire sections of a city. Demons are also confirmed to be impervious to all man-made weapons in existence.[21]

Eh the latter part can just be a extension of their immortality anyway. Also lady never fully kills demons

This is again contradicted several times in the games and anime. Lady

Novel also show several times the fear hax a thing. Lady is obv superhuman, she literally comes out of a explosion unharmed. Will rewatch the exact stuff for other humans just incase later

Ok here the feats do not come from the novels (except the first) but from the games, but they are just descriptions/bios which say that these demons have poison and acid manip. We do not see Dante resisting it and there is no statements that say that Dante resist it (the descriptions even make it clear the opposite and warn Dante). The anime confirms that Dante is not resistant to acid because he protects himself against it and dodges it multiples times ( 18:11)

Well demon monkey poison feat exists <:. And that just means ep 7 demon acid > the monkey dissolving poison

Dante literally says the artifact's magic worked on him ( 19:35, 20:20).
Dante was mind controlled and won the poker game because he was affected by the supernatural luck of the artifact, and he is not dead because he won the poker game (only those who lose against the owner of the artifact die).
There is no resistance for Dante here.

Sure

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

"Superhuman Physical Characteristics: Even the most simple type of demon is easily capable of tearing humans apart, cutting them in half with a single blow, and posing a threat to entire sections of a city. Demons are also confirmed to be impervious to all man-made weapons in existence.[21]"

The latter statement is contradicted several times in the games (DMC3, DMC4, DMC5) and anime when Lady kills demons with normal weapons. Lady is not a demon, she cannot use demonic energy to amp up the power of her weapons, she kills demons with normal bullets.
Also Nico hurt a demon with a simple cigar ( 1:58)

You're wrong about the guns. Lady didn't kill demons, ever. She only killed avatars, the weakest ones. I don't have scans, but in every part of DMC, the weakest demons are usually not demons, but sand/doll/etc. avatars, not full-fledged demons. These demons are so weak that they can't even break Sparda's seal and get into our world, so they create mental avatars in our world. No wonder Lady kills them. Dante and the other demons kill them because... Seriously, Dante can shoot holes in reality with a gun if he wants.

There is no controversy on this matter. It is unknown what would have happened if she had fought the creators of these avatars, it is quite possible that they would have withstood her fire.

 

[TheGod]

Disagree for reasons Chosen listed

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

"Poison Manipulation and Acid Manipulation: (Capable of resisting different types of poison and acids numerous times throughout their life, like when Dante was unaffected by the demon monkey's poisonous blood, which was poisonous enough to dissolve his own body,[140] They are also shown to be unaffected when Beelzebub spat out poison on him[141] or when they are unaffected by the Nobody's poisonous bodies when they die and explode into pieces[138] and also when they are unaffected by Chaos's neurotoxin sacs inside his chest, which he spits on his enemies[142])"

Ok here the feats do not come from the novels (except the first) but from the games, but they are just descriptions/bios which say that these demons have poison and acid manip. We do not see Dante resisting it and there is no statements that say that Dante resist it (the descriptions even make it clear the opposite and warn Dante). The anime confirms that Dante is not resistant to acid because he protects himself against it and dodges it multiples times ( 18:11)

Bullshit. The fact that he defends himself means nothing, Dante constantly dodges attacks that should not harm him, especially since he holds back and lowers his level so that his work does not become mechanical.

We have evidence that he can withstand acid. And we have no direct counterargument against this. This is the maximum that gives us to understand that this acid bypasses the usual acid resistance.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Why would novel be secondary Canon. Author just say it's Canon, no secondary or anything. https://archive.org/details/psm-085-2004/page/n37/mode/2up magazine even says dmc3 is between novel 1 and dmc1.

"Primary" and "secondary" canon are terms used here to give a hierarchy of canon works. The DMC novels are secondary canon because they are not as much canon as the games are. If the novels and the games contradict each other, it is the games that are right.

Eh the latter part can just be a extension of their immortality anyway. Also lady never fully kills demons

You're wrong about the guns. Lady didn't kill demons, ever. She only killed avatars, the weakest ones. I don't have scans, but in every part of DMC, the weakest demons are usually not demons, but sand/doll/etc. avatars, not full-fledged demons. These demons are so weak that they can't even break Sparda's seal and get into our world, so they create mental avatars in our world. No wonder Lady kills them. Dante and the other demons kill them because... Seriously, Dante can shoot holes in reality with a gun if he wants.

There is no controversy on this matter. It is unknown what would have happened if she had fought the creators of these avatars, it is quite possible that they would have withstood her fire.

BtN's statement talks about demons invading the human world. It is said that soldiers cannot defeat them because they are immune to all modern weapons. So this contradicts all the times Lady harms demons with normal weapons (and even with Nico harming a demon with a cigar). If this statement is talking about regeneration and immortality it should not serve as justification for their Superhuman physical characteristics.

Novel also show several times the fear hax a thing. Lady is obv superhuman, she literally comes out of a explosion unharmed. Will rewatch the exact stuff for other humans just incase later

For Lady ok, but there's always Kyrie, Nico, Morrison, Patty and the other random humans from the anime (and there are perhaps even other examples in the novels and mangas)

Well demon monkey poison feat exists <:. And that just means ep 7 demon acid > the monkey dissolving poison

Except that Dante protected himself from the anime demon's acid without knowing the power of the acid. How could he know that this demon's acid was more powerful than that of the monkey he faced over a decade earlier?

Bullshit

Unnecessary. You can debate without speaking that way.

The fact that he defends himself means nothing, Dante constantly dodges attacks that should not harm him

Do you have any examples?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

From the looks of things, the downgrades seems reasonable, I agree.

 

[Thehunter077]

Primary" and "secondary" canon are terms used here to give a hierarchy of canon works. The DMC novels are secondary canon because they are not as much canon as the games are. If the novels and the games contradict each other, it is the games that are right.

There's no primary and secondary canon in DMC, infact Matt already confirmed they are all canon to each other to fill the gap, game version ain't tell you how Lady and Trish meet or how Dante knows Nel Goldstein.

If you did have some contradictory feats, feel free to post it

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I also disagree fra, Lady managed to fight Dante, she comes out of several explosions unharmed, no damage is caused to her, she is not an ordinary human ( that's why i disagree)

 

[chosen]

The DMC novels are secondary canon because they are not as much canon as the games are

They are. https://feed4gamers.com/game-news/1...-development-and-possible-future-projects.htm besides what I mentioned devs made sure the novels are canon. Please show scan novels are only secondary or proof.

BtN's statement talks about demons invading the human world. It is said that soldiers cannot defeat them because they are immune to all modern weapons. So this contradicts all the times Lady harms demons with normal weapons (and even with Nico harming a demon with a cigar). If this statement is talking about regeneration and immortality it should not serve as justification for their Superhuman physical characteristics.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...59d951db480c1440298091f17c7b249735eb590f950f& my face when immune isn't said. Kill, being hurt by a cigarette doesn't mean no human weapon can't kill you. Not how immortality works

Except that Dante protected himself from the anime demon's acid without knowing the power of the acid. How could he know that this demon's acid was more powerful than that of the monkey he faced over a decade earlier?

By sensing his demon power? He can even sense if you are human demons or neither https://media.discordapp.net/attach...c205d58d35dcda6d1b796266adfddf01fc94c3dcb3a8&. He can definitely tell how strong acid when he already has feats of surviving acid lol.

 

[Palito266]

Dante literally says the artifact's magic worked on him ( 19:35, 20:20).
Dante was mind controlled and won the poker game because he was affected by the supernatural luck of the artifact, and he is not dead because he won the poker game (only those who lose against the owner of the artifact die).
There is no resistance for Dante here.

If he was vulnerable he would've died.

 

[RedReaper616]

I haven’t spoke on DMC threads much recently, but I’m definitely not letting this slide. It’s simply outright untrue.

Matt and Itsuno made everything canon, as linked already.

Nell and Dante’s relationship is directly referenced in DMC5, canonizing Vol. 1. Beryl is seen in magazines Dante is reading, which while could be seen as nothing more than a light reference, with prior context of Matt and Itsuno trying to actively canonize everything, Vol. 2 is canonized. Dante mentions his and Vergil’s meetup in DMC3 (Manga) in DMC3 itself. Before the Nightmare is explicitly a prequel story for DMC5, explaining why Dante has weapons like Balrog. Patty is directly referenced in DMC5 via phone call. The only things not explicitly given direct mention are Deadly Fortune, which is the Semi-Canon retelling of DMC4 Matt already said was canon anyway, and the CDs, which are literally package stories alongside the Anime’s events (meaning as such they’re canon). Visions of V is literally DMC5 from V’s perspective. Canon.

They’re canon. End of story.

Within one of those stories, it’s explicitly mentioned Lady kills low level Demons via their vulnerability to Silver. Meaning there is no contradiction in any way from here. Genuinely confused as to where you got a single idea for this CRT.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Yeah this is absolutely nonsense. Novels are stated to be canon by author itself so this "primary canon" of yours means nothing at the end of the day.

As for Lady, her weapons are depicted to be modified by Demonic artifacts proven by PoC so aside from avatar bodies of Demon from Human World not being a real deal you have this as well to take into consideration.

 

[Eseseso]

The disagreements seem to make more sense to me.

 

[Minos_the_Judge]

So what do we have?

In order for Lady to be able to kill the weakest demons, she needs:

1) They were avatars made of sand and other materials of the environment of the WEAKEST demons in Hell, who are so weak that they cannot even appear in our world (Although the seal of Sparda works on the principle that the stronger the demon, the easier it is for him to get into our world).

2) She needs bullets made of silver.

3) She needs a lot of magical enhancements.

Nothing contradicts the fact that human weapons do not frighten demons.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

They are. https://feed4gamers.com/game-news/1...-development-and-possible-future-projects.htm besides what I mentioned devs made sure the novels are canon. Please show scan novels are only secondary or proof.

I haven’t spoke on DMC threads much recently, but I’m definitely not letting this slide. It’s simply outright untrue.

Matt and Itsuno made everything canon, as linked already.

Nell and Dante’s relationship is directly referenced in DMC5, canonizing Vol. 1. Beryl is seen in magazines Dante is reading, which while could be seen as nothing more than a light reference, with prior context of Matt and Itsuno trying to actively canonize everything, Vol. 2 is canonized. Dante mentions his and Vergil’s meetup in DMC3 (Manga) in DMC3 itself. Before the Nightmare is explicitly a prequel story for DMC5, explaining why Dante has weapons like Balrog. Patty is directly referenced in DMC5 via phone call. The only things not explicitly given direct mention are Deadly Fortune, which is the Semi-Canon retelling of DMC4 Matt already said was canon anyway, and the CDs, which are literally package stories alongside the Anime’s events (meaning as such they’re canon). Visions of V is literally DMC5 from V’s perspective. Canon.

They’re canon. End of story.

Yeah this is absolutely nonsense. Novels are stated to be canon by author itself so this "primary canon" of yours means nothing at the end of the day.

I never said the novels aren't canon lol. I say precisely the opposite by saying that they are secondary canon, that they are less canon than the games because the latter are the original material.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...59d951db480c1440298091f17c7b249735eb590f950f& my face when immune isn't said. Kill, being hurt by a cigarette doesn't mean no human weapon can't kill you. Not how immortality works

So it's not a statement of durability but of immortality, so as I say it should be removed from Superhuman physical characteristic.

Within one of those stories, it’s explicitly mentioned Lady kills low level Demons via their vulnerability to Silver. Meaning there is no contradiction in any way from here. Genuinely confused as to where you got a single idea for this CRT.

Because this link does not exist in the Physiology page.

I also disagree fra, Lady managed to fight Dante, she comes out of several explosions unharmed, no damage is caused to her, she is not an ordinary human ( that's why i disagree)

Kyrie, Nico, Patty, Morrison and all the other humans in the anime are just normal humans and they are not affected by fear/madness.

If he was vulnerable he would've died.

Holders of the artifact (King) do not die, only those who face him in poker and lose die.

 

[chosen]

I never said the novels aren't canon lol. I say precisely the opposite by saying that they are secondary canon, that they are less canon than the games because the latter are the original material

The game devs don't treat them as such, only you. Game devs treat it as justification another part of dmc lore. Games being made first doesn't matter, the novels are literally made as just prequels to games, even saying games continue the events of novels . So again, please show something else saying they are any less canon besides your baseless word.

 

[Vietthai96]

If he was vulnerable he would've died.

Iirc, he still under the effects, which allow him to win the match, he just, well, didn't die, so resistance to Probability and Empathic need to go. The guy literally never won a single luck game in his entire life, but won this game because of the curse

 

[RedReaper616]

It should also be noted Dante explicitly stated he let himself be affected by the curse, (Majin Vegeta Style), as that was the only way to achieve his goals.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

) She needs bullets made of silver.

3) She needs a lot of magical enhancements.

Nothing contradicts the fact that human weapons do not frighten demons.

It would be better to include it in the pages, it would have saved me from talking about it in this crt.

The game devs don't treat them as such, only you. Game devs treat it as justification another part of dmc lore. Games being made first doesn't matter, the novels are literally made as just prequels to games, even saying games continue the events of novels . So again, please show something else saying they are any less canon besides your baseless word.

This is literally how canon works by default, even on this wiki (there's a page about canon). The Devil May Cry games are the primary canon because it is the original material, the rest (manga, novels, anime) is the secondary canon. But that doesn't mean that they're not canon, but just that if they contradict the games, the games will be right. It's up to you to prove that manga and novels are also primary canons like games, not me.

 

[chosen]

This is literally how canon works by default, even on this wiki (there's a page about canon). The Devil May Cry games are the primary canon because it is the original material, the rest (manga, novels, anime) is the secondary canon. But that doesn't mean that they're not canon, but just that if they contradict the games, the games will be right. It's up to you to prove that manga and novels are also primary canons like games, not me.

I already explained but since you ignored plus will add a few shit. Also the only examples of secondary seems to be adoptions (since it says same feats trough multiple canons) and databooks

1.author treats them equally canon never putting one above, with game devs working on them to make sure they are 100 percent, never specifying secondary

2. Novels are mentioned to happen in the games, like nell and shit. Stuff only from novels are treated as 100 percent canon by games, hell there is a whole journal where the notes explain many of the events

3. Magazine explicitly says novel 1 are part of timeline. Meaning every single thing that happened in dmc1 novel happened in games timeline with a few recons

4. Games are literally said to continue novel story, and as far I am as aware the continuation of something is equally as what it continues

 

[RedReaper616]

It would be better to include it in the pages, it would have saved me from talking about it in this crt.



This is literally how canon works by default, even on this wiki (there's a page about canon). The Devil May Cry games are the primary canon because it is the original material, the rest (manga, novels, anime) is the secondary canon. But that doesn't mean that they're not canon, but just that if they contradict the games, the games will be right. It's up to you to prove that manga and novels are also primary canons like games, not me.

The problem is, according to the devs, they are equally canon as the games. They are both primary canon. Moreover, Itsuno re-read and reviewed all of their content and gave it a thumbs up, meaning as far as the actual author is concerned, everything within is CORRECT.

While yes, canon certainly has levels, it only matters insofar as the official/canon levels that are established by those who actually create the stories.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

The problem is, according to the devs, they are equally canon as the games. They are both primary canon. Moreover, Itsuno re-read and reviewed all of their content and gave it a thumbs up, meaning as far as the actual author is concerned, everything within is CORRECT.

While yes, canon certainly has levels, it only matters insofar as the official/canon levels that are established by those who actually create the stories.

That doesn't mean that inconsistencies are impossible. If the novels and the games contradict each other, a choice must be made to determine who is right and who is wrong, and the safest choice is the games because it is the original material. Demons in the novel have passive fear/madness, but not in the games and anime (as proven in my post).

Bullshit

your baseless word.

add a few shit.

Bruh, DMC fans are probably some of the worst here

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Bruh, DMC fans are probably some of the worst here

Not to be an ass but you are the one trying to argue your word is above the director and creator of most of the series

 

[RedReaper616]

That doesn't mean that inconsistencies are impossible. If the novels and the games contradict each other, a choice must be made to determine who is right and who is wrong, and the safest choice is the games because it is the original material. Demons in the novel have passive fear/madness, but not in the games and anime (as proven in my post).

Sure, but:

It's up to you to prove that manga and novels are also primary canons like games, not me.

Which we’ve done. The Devs said so, the novels are explicitly referenced, etc. They are considered primary canon. So this means you have to prove they aren’t outside of Wiki Standards (which are meant to be applied CASE BY CASE, NOT uniformly, making your take here irrelevant without further data), or provide good reason outside of what is explicitly proven to be untrue (as they’re all considered primary canon), to discredit what happens in these stories, especially when they were personally read over, reviewed, and given the approval of the guy who made most of the games and directly influenced almost all of their stories. (Itsuno.)

EDIT: It’s even more baffling when you consider the DMC3 Manga (and DMC3, as they’re a package story), was made explicitly with Vol. 1 in mind, (as stated on the promo guide), meaning it was literally a key and integral part of creating the story of that game.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Not to be an ass but you are the one trying to argue your word is above the director and creator of most of the series

I just said that there are inconsistencies between novels and games and that the best choice is to favor games. Whether the novels are secondary or primary canons will not change the inconsistencies about the passive fear/madness.

 

[chosen]

Bruh, DMC fans are probably some of the worst here

?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Sure, but:

Which we’ve done. The Devs said so, the novels are explicitly referenced, etc. They are considered primary canon. So this means you have to prove they aren’t outside of Wiki Standards (which are meant to be applied CASE BY CASE, NOT uniformly, making your take here irrelevant without further data), or provide good reason outside of what is explicitly proven to be untrue (as they’re all considered primary canon), to discredit what happens in these stories, especially when they were personally read over, reviewed, and given the approval of the guy who made most of the games and directly influenced almost all of their stories. (Itsuno.)

Ok I understand, but a choice must still be made between novels and games for the inconsistencies of feats.

 

[chosen]

Just choose the more recent material

 

[RedReaper616]

Mhm. Mhm. So anyway, did you know in DMC5 but V’s perspective, making it canon, and literally within the game’s plot, Dante outright displays this fear aura? Huh. Wild. Seems like the return of a consistent feature mentioned in guides and descriptions about the Demon World itself across multiple games, and Demons in multiple novels, directly showing up in the latest set of stories by the people who canonized all of that and directly had it in mind for their story. Crazy, isn’t it?

 

[Deagonx]

Why would novel be secondary Canon.

In game series, novelizations are considered secondary canon.

 

[chosen]

W

In game series, novelizations are considered secondary canon.

Can you show where in the rules says that? Couldn't find it in canon page

If it actually says it's beyond my reach so will have to agree on secondary canon

 

[Deagonx]

"Superhuman Physical Characteristics: Even the most simple type of demon is easily capable of tearing humans apart, cutting them in half with a single blow, and posing a threat to entire sections of a city. Demons are also confirmed to be impervious to all man-made weapons in existence.[21]"

The latter statement is contradicted several times in the games (DMC3, DMC4, DMC5) and anime when Lady kills demons with normal weapons. Lady is not a demon, she cannot use demonic energy to amp up the power of her weapons, she kills demons with normal bullets.
Also Nico hurt a demon with a simple cigar

Watching demons get gored by being hit with a van also seems to call into question the legitimacy of the idea that demons are impervious to all man-made weapons, among the other points you made. I agree, the novel is clearly contradicting the games here.

"Empathic Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (Type 2 & 3), and Aura: The mere presence of demons causes despair, fear and insanity,[46][47][48] Victims can go insane with the mere sight or even immediate and impending knowledge that demons can arrive. Victims affected like this are very prone to hurting themselves and even killing themselves."

This is again contradicted several times in the games and anime. Lady, Nico and Kyrie ( 15:32) have already been in the presence of demons several times in the games and they have never been affected by fear/emphatic/madness. In the anime we see several times humans not being affected either, like here ( 12:00, 18:00), here ( 13:30), here ( 18:00), here ( 19:22) and here ( 19:08)

This also makes sense.

"Poison Manipulation and Acid Manipulation: (Capable of resisting different types of poison and acids numerous times throughout their life, like when Dante was unaffected by the demon monkey's poisonous blood, which was poisonous enough to dissolve his own body,[140] They are also shown to be unaffected when Beelzebub spat out poison on him[141] or when they are unaffected by the Nobody's poisonous bodies when they die and explode into pieces[138] and also when they are unaffected by Chaos's neurotoxin sacs inside his chest, which he spits on his enemies[142])"

Ok here the feats do not come from the novels (except the first) but from the games, but they are just descriptions/bios which say that these demons have poison and acid manip. We do not see Dante resisting it and there is no statements that say that Dante resist it (the descriptions even make it clear the opposite and warn Dante). The anime confirms that Dante is not resistant to acid because he protects himself against it and dodges it multiples times ( 18:11)

Yep, pretty straightforward.

"Probability Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation and Death Manipulation: (Dante is unable to be cursed by the Poker Demon's ability, which gives incredible luck in probability-based games, however, they become engrained with greed and a sick sense of wanting to play more and more. This effect goes as far as changing reality. When the main user of this effect loses in a game of chance, they instantly die without a seemingly physical cause, this also happens to the ones the main user is playing against if they happen to lose. Dante can stop Patty whom got possessed when they were playing a game of "who dies first". Dante is also able to let himself be shot and lose the game in purpose, letting himself win. When Dante loses to Lady, he doesn't outright die, he just pretends he's dead)"

Dante literally says the artifact's magic worked on him ( 19:35, 20:20).
Dante was mind controlled and won the poker game because he was affected by the supernatural luck of the artifact, and he is not dead because he won the poker game (only those who lose against the owner of the artifact die).
There is no resistance for Dante here.

Yeah this is undeniable, he literally says it worked on him.

 

[chosen]

van also seems to call into question the legitimacy of the idea that demons are impervious to all man-made weapons, among the other points you made. I agree, the novel is clearly contradicting the games here.

Issue is novel says can't be killed not impervious. It should be removed cuz can just be immortality but wouldn't say contradict

 

[Planck69]

Dodging an attack isn't a counter for resistance (it doesn't support it either). So unless he's actually affected in-game, Poison/Acid Manipulation Resistance can stay.

The poker artefact resistances can go. The bit in the Superhuman Physical Characteristics can just be moved to Immortality or removed.

Neutral to Fear Manipulation removal. From the above post, it seems to just be a matter of establishing its instances of occurrence versus the anime inconsistency, assuming those are regular irrelevant humans.

 

[RedReaper616]

Watching demons get gored by being hit with a van also seems to call into question the legitimacy of the idea that demons are impervious to all man-made weapons, among the other points you made. I agree, the novel is clearly contradicting the games here.

You mean the van that can somehow get into and move around in a giant demon blood tree flawlessly, despite the massive verticality and literal lack of road/ground (requiring the playable characters to take blood tubes?) The one that can erupt from the ground? The one that was able to slam through a church ceiling and come out unscathed? Yeaaaaah no. The cigarettes are something to note, though.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Mhm. Mhm. So anyway, did you know in DMC5 but V’s perspective, making it canon, and literally within the game’s plot, Dante outright displays this fear aura? Huh. Wild. Seems like the return of a consistent feature mentioned in guides and descriptions about the Demon World itself across multiple games, and Demons in multiple novels, directly showing up in the latest set of stories by the people who canonized all of that and directly had it in mind for their story. Crazy, isn’t it?

DMC5 still shows a normal human (Nico) being unaffected by the so-called passive fear/madness of low tier demons like in DMC4 and the anime.
The scan you show absolutely does not prove that low tier demons have passive fear/madness.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

So unless he's actually affected in-game, Poison/Acid Manipulation Resistance can stay.

The game descriptions imply that the poisons and acids of these demons are dangerous for Dante and Nero, and that they should be avoided.

From the above post, it seems to just be a matter of establishing its instances of occurrence versus the anime inconsistency, assuming those are regular irrelevant humans.

Except Lady who has superhuman feats, all other are regular humans yes